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thanks for the quick reply guys... i will give the clear tubing EHM a try this week to see if i can put up with the smell and vapour cloud from beneath the little oiler...

I may have been a little to excited about my Jeep as it let me down last night. For the past week i have been having problems with diesel engine running rough and at times stalling out. It dies on us last week on the hwy and i had it towed to the stealership to have it Diagnosed... they called me later that day saying injector 4 was all plugged up and it was causing the headache... they said they would try cleaning it and see if the problem reacurred... well a week or 2 went by with no problems noted and the Jeep running as good if not better than ever... well last night it happened again, died on me while on my way home... of course everything is closed for the weekend already so now i am sharing cars with the g/f as my Lightning is in hibernation...grrr...

Has anyone else had problems wit injectors? they are like 1200$ bucks to replace here in Canada at the delership. I am hoping 1 of the other injectors is just dirty and throwing the code and i can have them clean them akll this time, or i'll have to bite the bullet and order a new injector for #4...

I regualarly run powerservice in my fuel, especially now that it is winter here. i plug it in every night on a timer so the fluid gets heated for a few hours before i have to start it. i follow all the regualar maintenance and just had my 2nd oli change done and i am running mobil 1 0w40 synthetic.

Any ideas what could be causing this or ways to stop it from happening in the future? How hard is it to remove the injectors and clean them (what to use to clean them), could i do this at home? any special tools required?

Any help here would be greatly appreciated as i am a little worried at the moment...

cheers
Nick

Author:	Lil Dies [ Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:33 pm ]
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Well this is my second post on my way to losing my NOOB on this board...lol.. Mty g/f and I bought an 05 stone white limited CRD in may. I found this site within a few weeks and am i ever glad i did... . I have been running the ORM sinvce that time and just recently installed a Frakenlift II from ALL J's... Love the look of the lift and it performs amazing... no complaints here. And the staff at ALL J's were very friendly and professional to deal with, answering all my questions and having my kit to me in under a week (In Canada). Quality in this lift is second to none as far as i am concerned. I also added some Wild country radial XTX in 255/70/16... So now that my little oiler looks and rides well enug it's time to address some other issues i have been researching in here, i just had the muffler cut out of the exhaust today and a 2 1/2" pipe welded in it's place... what a huge improvement in throttle response, overall power and the sound is quite nice as well, gives it a little rumble.... My next mod is going to be some type of CCV mod. I think i am going to try the EHM first and see if i don't mind the vapour and smell, we have no emissions testing here so tjhat shouldn't be an issue. Couls someone post up what they used for materials and how they routed the hose to the ground? pics would also be very appreciated. This is my first ever diesel and so far it had impressed me a ton, doesn't make putting the Lightning away for the winter so hard...lol... I will add some pics in the next few days when i fianlly get around to taking some.... I look forward to your responses and advice. Thanks in advance Cheers Nick

Author:	irboogie [ Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:53 pm ]
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Hi Nick, The EHM is super easy, just run the hose across the top of the engine to the right. I placed a zip-tie to hold the hose to the fuel line under the driver side. It does have a smell, not too bad but you will see vapor some nights in the head lights when stopped. Dont forget to plug that hose you disconnected. good luck Eric

Author:	ATXKJ [ Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:59 pm ]
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Welcome to LOST Old Navy put the details here http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=22703 I tried clear hose (from Home Depot) and a soda bottle - but the EHM stinks anytime you're driving slow, not too bad on the highway, I went back to Provent - and if you don't want to spend the money This looked like a neat setup http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=393508#393508

Author:	Lil Dies [ Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:53 pm ]
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thanks for the quick reply guys... i will give the clear tubing EHM a try this week to see if i can put up with the smell and vapour cloud from beneath the little oiler... I may have been a little to excited about my Jeep as it let me down last night. For the past week i have been having problems with diesel engine running rough and at times stalling out. It dies on us last week on the hwy and i had it towed to the stealership to have it Diagnosed... they called me later that day saying injector 4 was all plugged up and it was causing the headache... they said they would try cleaning it and see if the problem reacurred... well a week or 2 went by with no problems noted and the Jeep running as good if not better than ever... well last night it happened again, died on me while on my way home... of course everything is closed for the weekend already so now i am sharing cars with the g/f as my Lightning is in hibernation...grrr... Has anyone else had problems wit injectors? they are like 1200$ bucks to replace here in Canada at the delership. I am hoping 1 of the other injectors is just dirty and throwing the code and i can have them clean them akll this time, or i'll have to bite the bullet and order a new injector for #4... I regualarly run powerservice in my fuel, especially now that it is winter here. i plug it in every night on a timer so the fluid gets heated for a few hours before i have to start it. i follow all the regualar maintenance and just had my 2nd oli change done and i am running mobil 1 0w40 synthetic. Any ideas what could be causing this or ways to stop it from happening in the future? How hard is it to remove the injectors and clean them (what to use to clean them), could i do this at home? any special tools required? Any help here would be greatly appreciated as i am a little worried at the moment... cheers Nick

Author:	gmctd [ Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:55 pm ]
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Fuel filter???????

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Author:	Lil Dies [ Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:30 pm ]
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gmctd wrote: Fuel filter??????? Possibly, don't know when the last itme it was changed (who kows if the delership i bought it from lied)? how often should they be changed? i don't seem to have to bleed the air out of the fuel line in mine often... maybe evey 3 months or 5 or 6 fill ups. I will chek that as well while i am getting them to check the codes and injectors...

Author:	moto-scoot [ Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:36 am ]
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Lil Dies wrote: thanks for the quick reply guys... i will give the clear tubing EHM a try this week to see if i can put up with the smell and vapour cloud from beneath the little oiler... I may have been a little to excited about my Jeep as it let me down last night. For the past week i have been having problems with diesel engine running rough and at times stalling out. It dies on us last week on the hwy and i had it towed to the stealership to have it Diagnosed... they called me later that day saying injector 4 was all plugged up and it was causing the headache... they said they would try cleaning it and see if the problem reacurred... well a week or 2 went by with no problems noted and the Jeep running as good if not better than ever... well last night it happened again, died on me while on my way home... of course everything is closed for the weekend already so now i am sharing cars with the g/f as my Lightning is in hibernation...grrr... Has anyone else had problems wit injectors? they are like 1200$ bucks to replace here in Canada at the delership. I am hoping 1 of the other injectors is just dirty and throwing the code and i can have them clean them akll this time, or i'll have to bite the bullet and order a new injector for #4... I regualarly run powerservice in my fuel, especially now that it is winter here. i plug it in every night on a timer so the fluid gets heated for a few hours before i have to start it. i follow all the regualar maintenance and just had my 2nd oli change done and i am running mobil 1 0w40 synthetic. Any ideas what could be causing this or ways to stop it from happening in the future? How hard is it to remove the injectors and clean them (what to use to clean them), could i do this at home? any special tools required? Any help here would be greatly appreciated as i am a little worried at the moment... cheers Nick i have new injector in factory sealed package PM me before you spend that kind of money

Author:	Lil Dies [ Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:29 am ]
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i have new injector in factory sealed package PM me before you spend that kind of money[/quote] Will do, I should know by tomorrow afternoon what the problem is but I have a feeling that it's the #4 injector again as it's doing the same thing as before when i had them clean #4... Thanks for the help... this site ROCKS

Author:	gmctd [ Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:57 am ]
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That injector may have failed, as it cannot plug if the filter is clean - stuff getting thru the filter would plug them all, not just #4 - but check the filter anyway

Author:	Lil Dies [ Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:45 pm ]
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Well the delership has it narrowed down to injector #4 again, but last time after cleaning #4 the changed it to #1 and changed them in the ECM to accept it. so that means that this is not the same injector that failed last time. they are pulling up code P0204 which is cylinder #4 injector circuit fault or something like that. so basically what they are telling me now is that it is the "computer" causing this problem and that's what will need to be replaced???? gmctd i am calling on you for this one as you seem to know quite a bit about these little oilers, what do you thik of their diagnoses? does anyone know where i can get a used or spare ECM as they want a fortune for one at the delearship here in Canada? does this seem like a they are on the right track? any other ideas i can try? Nick

Author:	gmctd [ Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:21 pm ]
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I think faulty wiring\connections gives same symptoms as failed device - 'course, it's easiest to swap devices to prove failure or lack thereof - check on eBay for spare ECM - any US '05 is direct swap for yours - '06 would need reflash back to '05 specs - also have them check cylinder compression pressure, as weak cyl will give same symptom as weak injector

Author:	Lil Dies [ Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:02 pm ]
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Well i just got back from the delearship. They tested injectors #4 and #1 and swapped them around to see if they would still ahve the same codes and problems. at first they did, then they pulled them out, cleaned them, reflashed the computer and now everything is working perfectly fine again. We did a series of test's while I was there, following all instructions to test fro faulty injectors. all test's led back to the ECM as the casue as we could rule everything else out. they did do a compression test and everything there was fine? So i guess my course of action is going to be drive it like this to see if problem happens again, and in the meantime i will look for a replacement ECM... gmctd when you said any 05 ECM do you mean any 05 liberty ecm, or any 05 jeep/dodge ecm. and if i get one from and 06 my delership should easily be able to flash it to my requirements? Thanks again for your help... I owe ya a beer or 2

Author:	gmctd [ Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:19 pm ]
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Any '05 US Liberty KJ CRD ECM will swap into your '05 - requires your VIN input, and the Injector numbers from the original ECM - if you find an '06, Jeep could reflash it, or INMOTION could clone it as part of the Stage II upgrade

Author:	Lil Dies [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:50 pm ]
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I am so F'n frustrated tight now i can seriously burn my CRD to the ground....grrrr.... Well after trying a brand new ECM at the delership we find ourselves in the same dilema... ran great for 1 day then right back to the same problem of basuically the Jeep wanting to die and producing next to no power.. barely able to get it up to 30km/h and that's with my foot thru the floorboards... thank god i was just down the road from the delership at the time.. dropped it back off, service amnager is so apologetic and promises to have it figured out in the morning. i am going to be reversing the charges on my cc tomorrow if they do not fix it with the new ECM i had to pay for yesterday.... I am at my wits end with this problem.. we have tried everything and this was the last resort so now i have no idea what to do.... any idea's??? We also changed the fuel filter at the same time as i did not know when the last time it was changed. When i picked up the Jeep last night it ran better than it ever has before and i was so Happy... to bad it was short lived and now today i am ready to lose it again....

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Author:	Lil Dies [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:55 pm ]
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I forgot to say that they've ohm tested the wirws 3 times now all at different times when it has been acting up and everytime it al checked out....

Author:	nursecosmo [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:39 pm ]
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What codes is it throwing besides the injector codes? I would almost bet that you are getting a P0093. Injectors just don't plug up,maybe one but not two. Also a plugged or stuck injector wont cause the engine to die. Check for air in your fuel filter head by seeing how many strokes on the plunger it takes to get hard.

Author:	onthehunt [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:44 pm ]
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Install new fuel filter head.

Author:	mackruss [ Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:49 am ]
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onthehunt wrote: Install new fuel filter head. And then a fuel pump

Author:	Lil Dies [ Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:54 am ]
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When i have bled air out of the fuel line it usually takes 2 or 3 plunges to get the puck hard and i usually have to repeat that once before a steady stream of fuel flows. When they changed the fuel filter on wednesday they said the fuel filter head was not leaking and was dry? I will find out today what codes it thru this time. Last time they were p0204 which is low voltage to #4 injector. But it would still happen when they would swap 1 with 4 so that's why i didn't think it was the injector as #1 has never thrown a code or acted up... Thanks for the advice and tips....will let you know what they tell me this morning....

Author:	nursecosmo [ Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:11 pm ]
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Lil Dies wrote: When i have bled air out of the fuel line it usually takes 2 or 3 plunges to get the puck hard and i usually have to repeat that once before a steady stream of fuel flows. When they changed the fuel filter on wednesday they said the fuel filter head was not leaking and was dry? There is often no outward sign of leaks if the filter head has a pinhole. Remember that the whole fuel line is under vacuum so air can go in but fuel is unlikely to come out.