When will your Jeep GO/NOT GO? Discussion on driving LOCKED.

AdamIsAdam · **Posted:** Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:00 pm

ok. will do!

And you just coat everything in grease to make it all stay in place during the install?

Neal · **Posted:** Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:05 pm

yup--it's real easy

jason thompson · **Posted:** Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:47 pm

AdamIsAdam wrote:

jason thompson wrote:

(a lot of stuff)

And just because everyone else uses punctuation, why should you?

not a matter of why not but more of a want not or care not
when you read it you get the point?
thats all that counts
besideicouldpostlikethis :lol:

Eddo · **Joined:** Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:01 pm **Posts:** 1214

jason thompson wrote:

i just recently rode in a TJ with a tru-trac front and a detroit ,that replaced a power trax, rear the owner said that the new datroit locker was alot quieter than the power trax and alot less "surprise" to it i think he was talking about it locking and unlocking not sure

the reason he replaced the powertrax was that it exploded in gilmer on a hill that just 8 months ago i climbed with an open diff he is only running 33's so i dont think that tire size was a problem

i have an ARB front and would never have any thing less (TJ)
i am saving a few bucks to get the rear (dana 44)

my view on lockers ,or any thing for my jeep for that matter, is you get what you pay for
if you only pay $400-$450 for a locker then you will get that much locker it will work but not as good as a $600 detroit
just like the new electric lockers that will be cheeper than the ARB,s will they work as good or be as reliable or will they be like comparing the detroit to the powertrax? i do not know i know they all work but some better than others

its kind of like comparing snap-on to craftsman sure it will work ok most of the time but when you need it for that realy big job will it fail?
do you take that chance? if it breaks will you be stranded? things to think about
besides just cause every body else is doing it does that make it right? all you friends jump off a bridge situation if i jump i want a parachute

Powertrax No-slip or Powertrax Lock-rite? Most people just refer to both of them as a Powertax, even though they are different. The Lock-rite is a beast on the road. I had one in my CJ and would never put one in any road worthy Jeep again. The No-slip on the other had is barely noticable once you get use to it.

jason thompson · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:25 pm

Eddo wrote:

jason thompson wrote:

i just recently rode in a TJ with a tru-trac front and a detroit ,that replaced a power trax, rear the owner said that the new datroit locker was alot quieter than the power trax and alot less "surprise" to it i think he was talking about it locking and unlocking not sure

the reason he replaced the powertrax was that it exploded in gilmer on a hill that just 8 months ago i climbed with an open diff he is only running 33's so i dont think that tire size was a problem

i have an ARB front and would never have any thing less (TJ)
i am saving a few bucks to get the rear (dana 44)

my view on lockers ,or any thing for my jeep for that matter, is you get what you pay for
if you only pay $400-$450 for a locker then you will get that much locker it will work but not as good as a $600 detroit
just like the new electric lockers that will be cheeper than the ARB,s will they work as good or be as reliable or will they be like comparing the detroit to the powertrax? i do not know i know they all work but some better than others

its kind of like comparing snap-on to craftsman sure it will work ok most of the time but when you need it for that realy big job will it fail?
do you take that chance? if it breaks will you be stranded? things to think about
besides just cause every body else is doing it does that make it right? all you friends jump off a bridge situation if i jump i want a parachute

Powertrax No-slip or Powertrax Lock-rite? Most people just refer to both of them as a Powertax, even though they are different. The Lock-rite is a beast on the road. I had one in my CJ and would never put one in any road worthy Jeep again. The No-slip on the other had is barely noticable once you get use to it.

it was a no-slip
we just got back from a trail ride and we were talking about just this
out of about 40 trail rigs there must have beed about 8-10 with detroits 4-6 with ARB's and 2 with Lincoln lockers in the rear a few had aussie lockers and seemed to like them but no one had power trax that i can think of

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:21 pm

You probably won't find PowerTrax in the bigger tired rigs. The No-Slip for the 8.25 Corp is limited to 32" tires.

AdamIsAdam · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:32 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

You probably won't find PowerTrax in the bigger tired rigs. The No-Slip for the 8.25 Corp is limited to 32" tires.

Do you mean they don't recommend it for more than 32"?

Eddo · **Joined:** Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:01 pm **Posts:** 1214

jason thompson wrote:

Eddo wrote:

jason thompson wrote:

i just recently rode in a TJ with a tru-trac front and a detroit ,that replaced a power trax, rear the owner said that the new datroit locker was alot quieter than the power trax and alot less "surprise" to it i think he was talking about it locking and unlocking not sure

the reason he replaced the powertrax was that it exploded in gilmer on a hill that just 8 months ago i climbed with an open diff he is only running 33's so i dont think that tire size was a problem

i have an ARB front and would never have any thing less (TJ)
i am saving a few bucks to get the rear (dana 44)

my view on lockers ,or any thing for my jeep for that matter, is you get what you pay for
if you only pay $400-$450 for a locker then you will get that much locker it will work but not as good as a $600 detroit
just like the new electric lockers that will be cheeper than the ARB,s will they work as good or be as reliable or will they be like comparing the detroit to the powertrax? i do not know i know they all work but some better than others

its kind of like comparing snap-on to craftsman sure it will work ok most of the time but when you need it for that realy big job will it fail?
do you take that chance? if it breaks will you be stranded? things to think about
besides just cause every body else is doing it does that make it right? all you friends jump off a bridge situation if i jump i want a parachute

Powertrax No-slip or Powertrax Lock-rite? Most people just refer to both of them as a Powertax, even though they are different. The Lock-rite is a beast on the road. I had one in my CJ and would never put one in any road worthy Jeep again. The No-slip on the other had is barely noticable once you get use to it.

it was a no-slip
we just got back from a trail ride and we were talking about just this
out of about 40 trail rigs there must have beed about 8-10 with detroits 4-6 with ARB's and 2 with Lincoln lockers in the rear a few had aussie lockers and seemed to like them but no one had power trax that i can think of

The Aussie locker is EXACTLY the same as the Powertrax lock-rite. I seen both of them side by side. Despite was Aussie says they are nearly identical. I had the Aussie locker in my CJ and was by no means pleasant when compared to the powertrax.

FarmDiesel · **Joined:** Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:49 am **Posts:** 132

What I'm concerned about is Adam's initial question (2 tires off the ground) and a Truetrac in the rear. (Truetrac being the gear driven limited slip). Will this, under all circumstances, transfer power to the tire on the ground (w/ or w/o help from the parking brake)? I'm not doing lockers front and rear, and don't want the complexity of an ARB. I'd consider an e-locker if they made one, but I'd rather swallow a $400 Powertrac No Slip or Truetrac (plus installation on the truetrac, as I don't have the requisite tools or know-how) than the significantly greater cost of a selectable.

So all you true-trackers out there...will it work? If I'm crossed up in a ditch with 2 tires in the air, will it keep moving?

AdamIsAdam · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:31 am

FarmDiesel wrote:

What I'm concerned about is Adam's initial question (2 tires off the ground) and a Truetrac in the rear. (Truetrac being the gear driven limited slip). Will this, under all circumstances, transfer power to the tire on the ground (w/ or w/o help from the parking brake)? I'm not doing lockers front and rear, and don't want the complexity of an ARB. I'd consider an e-locker if they made one, but I'd rather swallow a $400 Powertrac No Slip or Truetrac (plus installation on the truetrac, as I don't have the requisite tools or know-how) than the significantly greater cost of a selectable.

So all you true-trackers out there...will it work? If I'm crossed up in a ditch with 2 tires in the air, will it keep moving?

My understanding is that the answer is: "kinda sorta." It's a LSD. It's pre-loaded, meaning that the clutches will engage much better than the stock trac-loc, but it's still a LSD and not a real locker. That's why I went with the powertrax. Some people have said they can still move forward with the LSD, but it seemed to be much more subjective and also required more braking. I wanted the thing LOCKED. I figured I'd either go powertrax for $421 and install it myself (recognizing that I'm using the stock carrier), or I'd splurge for the ARB air setup for the rear.

(Yes, I'm using the stock carrier, but I"m using the stock carrier NOW anyway, so that's fine.)

That's my conclusion after many conversations.

Please, feel free to chime in here folks.

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:59 am

The PowerTrax is going to be more positive when it comes to turning both wheels on an axle.

The DTT (no clutches...worm gear driven) is going to get you out of 90% of those situations (completely subjective %).

The Stock LSD is going to need a large amount of input to get the tire on the ground moving.

Funny thing to think about...The 2006 CRD's have ESP and do not offer an LSD option. ESP senses wheel spin and applies the brake to that tire...which even without an LSD will transfer some power to the opposite wheel. In the CRD section, we have talked about this and wonder if we had a DTT and the ESP applies the brake it will automatically engage the DTT and we will move forward. Do the newer 3.7L KJ's have ESP?

I am probably going to go DTT front and rear...no buttons...no thinking...and good road manners.

AdamIsAdam · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:18 am

Yea, I saw someone asking that question. I think all the newer KJ's have ESP - the rental I had this past winder had it.

That's an interesting situation!

2006KJSPORT4x4 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:31 am

yea my 2006 Sport has it..don't use it unless it's raining though...which isn't very often and then when it does i usually forget that I have it...

Eddo · **Joined:** Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:01 pm **Posts:** 1214

DarbyWalters wrote:

The PowerTrax is going to be more positive when it comes to turning both wheels on an axle.

The DTT (no clutches...worm gear driven) is going to get you out of 90% of those situations (completely subjective %).

The Stock LSD is going to need a large amount of input to get the tire on the ground moving.

Funny thing to think about...The 2006 CRD's have ESP and do not offer an LSD option. ESP senses wheel spin and applies the brake to that tire...which even without an LSD will transfer some power to the opposite wheel. In the CRD section, we have talked about this and wonder if we had a DTT and the ESP applies the brake it will automatically engage the DTT and we will move forward. Do the newer 3.7L KJ's have ESP?

I am probably going to go DTT front and rear...no buttons...no thinking...and good road manners.

The 3.7 do have the ESP that works the same. However, just for seeing them out there wheeling it does not instantly apply the brake (or enough to make a difference with an open diff). Seems that the wheels will start spinning for a second, then the Jeep will start to move again. Might be a problem when you need to keep momentum, but it's definitely better than just a stock open diff.

AdamIsAdam · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:18 am

Darby,
YOu may want to confirm (somehow) that ESP stays enabled when in 4LO. Jeep designed the ABS and the clutch/ignition/starter safety switch to disengage when in 4LO, so they might do the same with the ESP.

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:19 pm

Someone did mention something about ESP changing when in 4LO but we could never find out a verified answer to the question.

FREE COLOR LOGO DECAL or ROUND L.O.S.T. VINYL to the first to find out for sure how ESP works when in 2WD as opposed to4WDHi and 4WDLo...the clock is ticking...tick tock It must be well supported!

2006KJSPORT4x4 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:41 pm

Try this link on for size....

http://www.jeephorizons.com/news/06_kj_090105.html

AdamIsAdam · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:00 pm

RockyMtEditionKJ wrote:

Try this link on for size....

http://www.jeephorizons.com/news/06_kj_090105.html

Nope, no sticker for you on that one. No answer found on that page.

2006KJSPORT4x4 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:14 pm

figured it was a youth small...o well...tried google for a bit and that was the best article I could find...better even then what jeep.com offered me...

mb818 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:25 pm

when i watched Superlift's Offorad Adventures episode about testing the 2007 Wranglers (was awesome, btw... jeep engineers really beat the crap out of them)... those also come with ESP... here's what the engineer had to say about it... not a direct quote but he explained it like this...

the ESP system consists of 3 different systems... ABS, Traction Control, and Stability Mgmt... while in 4-lo, ABS is "watered down", stability management is completely turned off, and traction control is still enabled... they guy went on to say that the traction control system is very capable offroad and is a lot like having a locker...

they not only showed 2007 Rubicons on the trail, but there were regular Wranglers out there with them... and you could clrearly see the traction control engaging by stopping wheelspin.

anyway, i've got the episode on my DVR computer... i may have to reencode it and post it up... it was quite cool seeing those guys tear the poop out of those new wranglers.

Mark

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