New Rockkrawler 3.5" Lift

Sport · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:30 am

I think a 3.5 inch lift is just what we need for the KJ and I would have no problems buying the kit for my own once some decent testing has been done and proven to work.

But the guinea pig I will not be...

shak · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:57 pm

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I looked to see if they posted any images on their site. Looks like they've been hacked:
http://www.rockkrawler.com/images/

This is funny....you gotta see the website....even the terrorist hates the RockKrawler!!! can they suck anymore??

fireblad1 · **Joined:** Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:04 am **Posts:** 74

C Mon I cant believe people are even thinking of buying from these guys they literally stole the money from guys like me and ruined our liberties, they never responded and called us idiots who didnt know how to install these kits, I never thought a company could be so unproffesional.
Be careful these guys are scum.

Se7enLC · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:38 pm

fdezone wrote:

Man this won't win me any friends on this board, but I don't think the Frankenlift is all it's cracked-up to be. It's promoted as the fix all when in fact it creates the need for additional purchases to correct it's defeciences, i.e. Al's Upper A Arms. I installed the lift myself and have taken it to numerous offroad shops. All have agreed that the CV angles are to extreme. I've driven the crap out of my KJ and the angles are still extreme. You may disagree and claim I installed the lift wrong or the shops in my area must s*ck or something, but that's just not the case. I'd venture to say that most people running Rusty's are happier (minus that SNAFU they had with the rear shocks). My personal experience combined from what I've read on this forum, from time to time, is that it is a major contributor to torn CV boots. It's not just me. I've run a lot of lifts on numerous vehicles over the years and have never had to literally beat the crap out of the vehicle to get the suspension to "settle." If you want to promote the Frankenlift as the superior aftermarket suspension set up then maybe it should include extended, quick disconnect, sway bar links and upper A Arms.

Well, Rusty's lift isn't as tall as the frankenlift, so it only makes sense that the CV angle wouldn't be as extreme.

I think the other problem with kits for the liberty is that the market is too small for the price to go down much, so if you have to fab up sway bar links, upper A Arms, and extended quick disconnects for the swaybar, you're talking $1500 to $2000 now.

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This is not a shot at the Frankenlift. They have a great reputation on this board and outstanding customer support. I'm just saying there's room for improvement. I'm just curious why no one points it out. I mean we got FNG's on the board that read these hyped up reviews and spend good money on their lifts just to be disappointed when they realize it'll require additional parts to correct.

I agree with you on that one - none of the available kits for the liberty are really "Complete". There are lift kits for IFS toyotas that include a lot more parts and work a lot better than the frankenlift does for the liberty. If the RK kit is one step closer to that, then great. It sounds to me more like a lot of smoke and mirrors, they don't even have any photos of their lift installed in anything.

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I'll try to support any pioneer aftermarket company that goes out on a limb to create something for the Liberty. Boulder Bars, Rusty's, and Rock Lizard all come to mind and are definetly worth supporting. That said, I feel it's a little hyprocritical that we criticize all others.

Agreed. I think we should support anything and everything made for the liberty, up until the point that it fails and doesn't work well. The OTT lift comes to mind as one of those, as does the RK 7-up lift. I'm willing to give this one a chance just as soon as I see it installed and tested in a jeep.

kjhawaii · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:49 pm

Hi All

Id just like to add that although Rockkrawler has a bad reputation at least there are some new stuff coming.

We can wait to see how the lift kit works out. But just to see some more parts is great news to me.

I was thinking about extending my front swaybar links but now a may inquire just buying them.

Also the factory cast lower control arms sure curve a lot downward and with a lift its not necessary just more loss of clearance near the wheels.

Possibly put all this togather with existing lift kits, Greasable lower ball joint, Als Uppers and Hi Angle CV's and you might have something.

Just my .02 KjHawaii

Mutt · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:55 pm

Se7enLC wrote:

you're talking $1500 to $2000 now.

That's a pretty accurate number, I've got about $1870 in mine with the lift, spring packers, Al's arms, RE adjustable LCA, and an adjustable replacement for the boomerang.

Oh, I've yet to see if when I recenter the rear wheels in the wells if I'll need a new shaft or not.........and you might as well do the SYE at that time.

Now back on topic, I'd avoid the RK kit like the plague..........it's not the failure of the other kit, it's their customer service or lack thereof. Same thing with RockyRoad.

Jeepin Al · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:08 pm

Hey Mutt, if you have the 242 case, a SYE does not exist for our new 242's, which are fairly strong. They put our 242's in H2's. The only kit available are the 231's and older 242's. Is your driveshaft vibrating? If its is than you will need to adjust the pinion angle, and possibly the tranny/transfer case shaft angle. Take to a shop that has a good drivetrain angle measurer tool (so techinical ain't I) I have a good bubble angle measurer and I was still off 1.5 degrees between the drive shaft and pinion.

don't move the rear wheels back too far, I have had contact between my tank skid and diff skid! The pumpkin gets close to the tank real quick. we need a long arm system now! The only reason we need to move the diff back is to center the wheels in the well and keep the wheel off the door when flexing. Now with the wheel moved back, and flex with the wheel in the fender I am hitting the rear of the flare...time to start cutting!

Are we having fun yet!!!!

Al

Mutt · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:21 pm

Jeepin Al wrote:

Hey Mutt, if you have the 242 case, a SYE does not exist for our new 242's, which are fairly strong. They put our 242's in H2's. The only kit available are the 231's and older 242's. Is your driveshaft vibrating? If its is than you will need to adjust the pinion angle, and possibly the tranny/transfer case shaft angle. Take to a shop that has a good drivetrain angle measurer tool (so techinical ain't I) I have a good bubble angle measurer and I was still off 1.5 degrees between the drive shaft and pinion.

don't move the rear wheels back too far, I have had contact between my tank skid and diff skid! The pumpkin gets close to the tank real quick. we need a long arm system now! The only reason we need to move the diff back is to center the wheels in the well and keep the wheel off the door when flexing. Now with the wheel moved back, and flex with the wheel in the fender I am hitting the rear of the flare...time to start cutting!

Are we having fun yet!!!!

Al

Al, yep, I've got the 242. I saw that Tom Woods had a 242 kit but haven't investigated it fully yet. Almost purchased a Rubicon Tcase the other day but it was more than I wanted to spend. I've also been considering swithcing to a 231 so all my lights, bells, and whistles will still work; but allow me to put in a TeraLow 4:1 kit.

I don't have any driveline vibrations. Just concerned about the driveshaft length once I recenter the wheels in the wells. You're exactly right, I just want to get the tires off the back door. It's kind of funny, because the more I mod, the more I have to mod........it's a brutal circle.

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JFortier777 · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:34 pm

shak wrote:

Quote:

I looked to see if they posted any images on their site. Looks like they've been hacked:
http://www.rockkrawler.com/images/

This is funny....you gotta see the website....even the terrorist hates the RockKrawler!!! can they suck anymore??

Just because there is arabic writing on the page does not mean he is a terrorist. Thats just plain racist.

Hack the planet!!!

kickit_in4wheel · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:30 pm

I believe those of you that have been treated poorly by Rock Krawler in the past, especially concerning the 7 up kit. The fact that it is no longer marketed means that they finally recognized its shortcomings, or we destroyed it's credability beyond all hopes. Either way, Rock Krawler makes TONS of other products for a wide variety of 4X4s. And they do have customers who are satisfied. I'm curious as to how a company can produce parts and kits for some vehicles that seem to be very well designed and functional, and have customers pleased with them, and yet do very poorly with other platforms and ignore those paying customers that had problems. Perhaps they do not have the customer service ethic that some of our favorites do, but they COULD get better, if they wanted to. And though I too am skeptical after their behavior and designs from the past, some of the pieces in this "kit" have caught my attention. The sway bar extensions/disconnects are intriguing, as well as the lower control arms. Maybe the kit needs a few more parts to deliver optimum performance. Sounds familiar.... Besides, most of us KJ guys are cheap. Don't deny it. There are tons of us complaining that the frankenlift is expensive. Look how much a good 3"-4" TJ lift costs. It's no surprise that the lifts that are offered for KJs do not include any other items to optimize performance- us KJers would take one look at the price and say no way. The fact that they are willing to give it another shot says that even though we here have abandoned them, they still have not abandon the KJ. We should be grateful, even if none of us ever run this kit.

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:22 pm

I wouldn't be too sure about being cheap. We are stuck with just 2.5" lift kits with no real issues. I think many people on here would go out and buy a $1500-2000 3.5" lift kit IF it had been rigorously tested and did not cause any problems AND NO additional equipment or replacement parts needed to buy, besides bigger tires.

If we could get a solid lift so we could put on 33's, people would spend the money.

JFortier777 · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:43 pm

Tokyojoe wrote:

If we could get a solid lift so we could put on 33's, people would spend the money.

I Would.

brasilrenegade · **Posted:** Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:37 am

maybe ill be the guinea pig for this, but im gonna consult jeepin al and buy some of his stuff, maybe once i talk to him ill get what he recomends, looks like his stuff works... ben

KJNick · **Joined:** Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:00 pm **Posts:** 56

The big question I have about this kit is where are the extended bump stops? It looks like this kit would create the same problems with the strut as Rocky Road's OTT lift. Without extended bump stops, the strut would bottom out causing the strut to eventually fail.

Lee

warblade666 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:27 pm

I just wish that Superlift would get off their backsides and get to work on that KJ kit. I have seen a lot about their 4" lift for the Grand & Command. That was designed for the KJ, but built for the bigger Jeeps. It looks to be the most compleat kit that I have seen. I don't see what could be so hard for them to mod it "refit" the KJ.

DoverKJ · **Posted:** Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:40 pm

If Superlift can make new knuckles for the GC, they should be able to make some new knuckles so we could lift our KJ 3-4.5 inches. The GC lift is essentially a center section drop with taller knuckles so that oem a-arms still work and the CV's arent over stressed.

How hard can it be. They have a market it they would just produce the lift.

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:44 pm

Prediction...

First SFA Kit................... AllJProducts.com

First 4.5" to 5.5" IFS Kit...Jeepin Al

The rest of them will go by the wayside

JJsTJ · **Posted:** Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:48 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

Prediction...

First SFA Kit................... AllJProducts.com

First 4.5" to 5.5" IFS Kit...Jeepin Al

The rest of them will go by the wayside

SFA kit by All J? Don't hold your breath. Too much fabrication, welding, etc. needed to do it right.

warblade666 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:44 pm

There most likely will never be a "bolt-in" SFA kit for the KJ. It just takes way to much to do it. It looks like both Rustys & RK gave up on their "bolt-in sfa" kits.

Someone needs to build/make an IRON front diff kit, that's what we really need. If not the taller IFS kits wont do us much good anyway.

Jeepin Al · **Posted:** Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:36 pm

I got the new clevis' and they are nice. Pictures will follow. So in the front, I will have the Rock Krawler 3.5 inch clevis and All J's Frankenlift assembly with the HD springs! That should give me around a six inch lift!

COOL!

Al

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