Jeez guys, I'm not one for destroying the environment at all, retmil pretty much summed up who I was taking shots at. There's no need to automatically percieve what I or anyone else says in the most negative of light, I also detest anyone who tells me to leave the country that I've defended and recieved numerous commendations for doing so... as well as two purple hearts therein.

My main concerns are the "tree huggers" that are going out of their way to prevent new diesel technology from powering the vehicles sold in North America and the ultra-high standards that they demand. In many other of my posts on this site (as well as on many others) I've been a strong advocate of reducing diesel emmissions so that more technology can flow into North America. But the stigma among the aforementioned "tree huggers" is that diesel technology hasn't gotten any better since the "dirty diesel days" back when the rackity-clackity Caddy's and Oldsmobiles were being powered by diesel engines. They truly believe that and nothing will thoroughly convince them otherwise, they'll do their best to shut down diesels while allowing the higher pollution quotient guzzling gassers to pretty much run rampid, unabided

All this epa talk has me wondering if any one has seen that discovery channel program about globel warming??? i can't remember what its called... any way it was about the carbon tradeing as a new emerging market... and Kyoto Protocol, the way it affects the US and the world... and the US did not get in to the Kyoto Protocol because it did not apply to developing countries (China)... so our fearless leader (guess who) refused to sign the protocall because of "Lack of evidence of humin impact on the process of globel warming." so we keep on being the world leader in our carbon emissions.

somebody with an IQ needs to grab our situation by the horns and set the ball rolling in the correct direction

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If it does not include China it really doesn't matter what the program is for everyone else. Their emissions alone will soon make the rest of the world look like a needle in a haystack. We will all have acid rain because of them. They have 4 billion people modernizing at the same time.

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

Amen to that. Funny, all the more socialistic European countries have gotten their heads around the benefits of modern clean diesel cars while plenty of our "liberals" extoll the virtues of stupid hybrids with no capacity for renewable fuels and a waste issue with the disposal of battery packs with the vehicles go out of service.

Meanwhile, there are plenty of Turbo Outbacks with Sierra Club stickers on them (at least where I live). Can you say 19 city/ 24 hwy? Plenty of Seattle liberals who own these beasts and support wacky Sierra Club causes are hypocrites.

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The folks: 2006 Liberty CRD Limited, Lt. Khaki (picked up 7/21/06 w/ 300 miles). Rotella 5W-40.

And: 1995 Grand Cherokee 4.0 Laredo, Silver, Selec-Trac, custom free-flow exhaust by local shop.

Me: 1998 Subaru Outback AWD, 2.5 DOHC, 5-speed manual. Nearly 170k miles & runs awesome.

New Feature on Liberty CRD...

Port a Potty

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2006 CRD Sport
Mods: GDE Hot Tune w/ 364#@2000rpm/Air Box /3" Str8 Exhaust/ASFIR Alum Skids/245-75R-16 Cooper STT PRO/OME LIFT w/Clevis & 4 Spring Isos/AirTabs/Rigid 10" S2 LED/4xGuard Ctr Matrix Bumper
Drag Strip:Reac=.1078_60ft=2.224_1/8=10.39@64.8mph_1/4+16.46@80.8mph

Wonder if it will require a particulate filter of its own???

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OLD RIDE: 2005 Liberty Sport 4x4 CRD - Inferno Red, Sunroof, Cruise, Tint, Tow Package

NEW RIDE: 2008 Flame Red JK Unlimited X 24S Dual tops, Auto, PW/L, Infinity Sound system, Sirius, Tow pkg, side steps
Added: Black fuel door, 7 pin Trailer lights, uConnect + iPod kit, bikini top, AutoPage 2-way alarm, Flexatrunk

It depends on the quality of the "input"!

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The folks: 2006 Liberty CRD Limited, Lt. Khaki (picked up 7/21/06 w/ 300 miles). Rotella 5W-40.

And: 1995 Grand Cherokee 4.0 Laredo, Silver, Selec-Trac, custom free-flow exhaust by local shop.

Me: 1998 Subaru Outback AWD, 2.5 DOHC, 5-speed manual. Nearly 170k miles & runs awesome.

I seldom drink soda's (as I sit here in the a/c sipping a Coca Cola) or indulge in sprits, so my pee probably is safe to use.

Hey as far as carbon goes it will make no difference, one Mt. St Hellens type eruption will put out more carbon, silica and green house gases the mankind did in past 100 years. Then there is the glow in the dark problem that will be a real killer in a the not too distant future if some religious nuts have their way.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

that is true.... but it matters what brazil does their rainforists exchange 1/4 0f the earths CO2 to O2 or air every month so it is important..... however this china thing is a real problem.... they are finishing 1 colal burning power plant per week for the next 7 years.... thats 364 power plants belching millions of tons of CO2..... thats a serious problem....

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Very interesting topic, can't help but add my 2 cents... as a former nuclear power plant employee i know about the initial beauty and purity of providing power, with the downside being the waste that is active for many 100s of years.

Same goes (to a certain degree of course) with hybrid! magnets, batteries, rare metal are the kind of stuff that if throw in someone else backyard (funny its never our own) will stay there for 100s of years too... Only simple diesel technology, or even better (but futuristic) steam engine can produce imho the good tradeoff of simplistic design and longevity.

I personally never could understand DOHC or 8cyl with deactivation or 7speed automatic... give me a diesel with 80 moving parts versus 300+, and i'll keep it for twice or three times as long.
Just my opinion, I'm lucky to have my CRD and lucky to find other folks that share the passion and can see beyond the noise at idle

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'07 GC CRD Limited, InMotion Stage-2 tuning, Parrot MK9200 Bluetooth & iPod.
'05 BMW F650GS Police Edition, HIDs, 1" lowering, Rick's custom seat.
SOLD'05 Black CRD Sport, steel bumper, Nokian 245/70, SpiderTrax, Flowmaster 40, Predator chip, Renegade light bar, EVIC, basket roof, Parrott Bluetooth.
'03 Lexus GS300 Sport Design/NAV/ML

Blacksmoke,

While I agree with your sentiment in general, I'm pretty sure the CRD also has DOHC. I.E. Dual Overhead Cams. You're right though, there will be disposal issues with the batteries in particular.

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Matt B.

05 Limited CRD. Bought it new. 112k on the clock now.

GDE Eco-tune, rear differential drain plug (drilled and tapped the pumpkin), transmission pan drain plug, Fumoto oil valve, fuel filler neck restriction removed, front hitch, Hayden fan clutch, Sears P1 battery since 08, Mobil 1 5w40, 5 volt glow plugs, DIY timing belt at 109k

Lots of times have had people ask me why, after being in Naval Nuclear Power for 20 years, I didn't get a job with one of the civilian nuke plants. Besides the fact that most of them are up north where it's too bloody cold for my tastes, I had issues with the way things are done in the civilian side of the house right now. I dealt with design, operation, maintenance, radiological controls, and waste disposal while in the Navy. IMHO there are a few things to be sorted out on the civilian side, such as improved plant design, permanent solution to waste disposal, control of spent fuel, and the politics involved, before I'd wholeheartedly endorse starting up nuke plant construction again.

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Mitchell Oates
'87 MB 300D Diamond Blue Metallic
'87 MB 300D - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Sport CRD Stone White
Provent CCV Filter/AT2525 Muffler
Stanadyne 30 u/Cat 2 u Fuel Filters
Fumoto Drain/Fleetguard LF3487 Oil filter
V6 Airbox/Amsoil EAA Air Filter
Suncoast TC/Shift Kit/Aux Cooler
Kennedy Lift Pump/Return Fuel Cooler

If you really want the hell scared out of you, get involved in decommisioning some of the legacy stuff from the Manhattan Project.

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Matt B.

05 Limited CRD. Bought it new. 112k on the clock now.

GDE Eco-tune, rear differential drain plug (drilled and tapped the pumpkin), transmission pan drain plug, Fumoto oil valve, fuel filler neck restriction removed, front hitch, Hayden fan clutch, Sears P1 battery since 08, Mobil 1 5w40, 5 volt glow plugs, DIY timing belt at 109k