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Limitedsilv06 · **Joined:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:08 am **Posts:** 19

I dont plan on doing any offroading, or if I do it wont be hardcore. I want a lift. I've read on here and looked up the Rusty Offroad 2.5" kit. decent price. Soudns like all I'll need. I think the lifted Libertys look sweet.. How will it ride/look with the stock 17"'s on it, I'm guessing i'd be safe with a 245/75R17 tire or do i need something a tad smaller because I have a 17 inch rim? Thanks for the help in advance.,

2006 limited 4WD

Gordo · **Posted:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:23 pm

Limitedsilv06 wrote:

I dont plan on doing any offroading, or if I do it wont be hardcore.

For now...

Limitedsilv06 wrote:

I want a lift. I've read on here and looked up the Rusty Offroad 2.5" kit. decent price. Soudns like all I'll need.

Which Rusty's kit are you referring to?

elephantrider · **Posted:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:23 pm

go with the rusty's lift if. it will look good AND you can wheel it hard!

shouldnt have any trouble with the tires.

Science_Guy · **Posted:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:43 pm

I love my Rusty Coil Lift. It drives the same if not better then stock. It sure "feels" better but I am not sure how much of that is just my joy I am 3inches higher then stock. Here is a post about my Rusty lift and installation.

I have only had it offroad once since the lift. It was my best offroad experience to date. The difference was amazing. Since I only go offroad about 6 - 8 times per year on moderate/easy trails, Rustys (+ clevis and isolator lift) was a perfect choice for me. IMO, the Frankenlift is better only if you plan to wheel hard and want/need that extra travel. The front it has a different top plate that squeezes an extra inch or so of droop. I needed something cheaper then a Frankenlift and did not want the additional stess of knowing it needs several offroad trips to really settle well. Both are great coil lift options. Spacer lifts are even cheaper if you really are just going for the looks. Only you can determine which is right for you.

Limitedsilv06 · **Joined:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:08 am **Posts:** 19

Gordo wrote:

Limitedsilv06 wrote:

I dont plan on doing any offroading, or if I do it wont be hardcore.

For now...

Limitedsilv06 wrote:

I want a lift. I've read on here and looked up the Rusty Offroad 2.5" kit. decent price. Soudns like all I'll need.

Which Rusty's kit are you referring to?

KJ Liberty 2.5" Suspension Kit ('02-'05)

Not sure if this will fit the 06, but this seems to be a decent price for a Kit.. Wha ttires could I fit under here. I was reading 245/75R16, but this limiteds got 17inch rims.

FastTRX · **Posted:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:19 pm

I'm sure they make the Rustys coil lift for 06's so you're fine there. 245s and the Clevis lift combined w/ the Rustys will look real good. I'm also pretty sure they make 245s for 17s. If you dont want the 17s, you can always upgrade or trade the wheels...

FYI...a spacer lift sounds more ideal for your application. You will save more money that can later be spent on tires and wheels if you choose. Just a suggestion.

nolakj · **Posted:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:20 pm

The lift will fit your 06. Bummer on the 17 inch wheels. That will limit your selection some. Maybe you could work out a horse trade in the For Sale section or in the 2x4 section for some 16s. Or better yet pick up some 15" Cargars or a set of Moabs (Rubicon stock rims).

Gordo · **Posted:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:22 pm

Limitedsilv06 wrote:

KJ Liberty 2.5" Suspension Kit ('02-'05)

Not sure if this will fit the 06, but this seems to be a decent price for a Kit.. Wha ttires could I fit under here. I was reading 245/75R16, but this limiteds got 17inch rims.

That is a great kit as has been mentioned earlier. I run it and love it. It is a great lower-cost alternative to the Frankenlift. It will be harder to install if you plan to do it yourself, but you should be very happy with it otherwise.

As far as tires are concerned, I run 245/75/16 MTRs. You would be just fine with a 17R equivalent. You may have some slight rubbing, but that can be fixed by some minor modification and even a small clevis lift.

BTW - Welcome to LOST!

Limitedsilv06 · **Joined:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:08 am **Posts:** 19

FastTRX wrote:

FYI...a spacer lift sounds more ideal for your application. You will save more money that can later be spent on tires and wheels if you choose. Just a suggestion.

I found a Rustys Strut Spacer Kit Kit + Rear Shocks, Are the rear shocks nessasary? I dont want to make the ride rougher if this will help smooth it out, It's well worth it..

Science_Guy · **Posted:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:32 pm

If you going with a spacer kit I would go with a Daystar lift from All J Products. I did not do much research on the Rusty spacer kit but I do know the Daystar is very highly praised. I use the Rusty rear shocks, Rusty springs and two extra spring isolators without any trouble. Some have had some noise from theirs Rusty rear shocks but I dont. Seems to be a "luck of the draw" thing. Many also use the Ranchos. Again, it kind of depends on how much you want to spend and what you want to do with it.

Limitedsilv06 · **Joined:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:08 am **Posts:** 19

Science_Guy wrote:

If you going with a spacer kit I would go with a Daystar lift from All J Products. I did not do much research on the Rusty spacer kit but I do know the Daystar is very highly praised. I use the Rusty rear shocks, Rusty springs and two extra spring isolators without any trouble. Some have had some noise from theirs Rusty rear shocks but I dont. Seems to be a "luck of the draw" thing. Many also use the Ranchos. Again, it kind of depends on how much you want to spend and what you want to do with it.

Thanks!. I'll look into it.

FastTRX · **Posted:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:59 pm

If you were to do a spacer lift...for sure it would be wise to add a set of new rear shocks. I've heard from EVERYONE that the new shocks (Rancho, Rustys, OME...etc..) will make the Kj love you!

If you were looking for maximum lift...you could always find some 02' Pre-lowered springs (taller than your current stockers) and add them to the front and rear w/ the spacer lift as well as the new rear shocks. No matter what you decide on...if you choose All J you definitly can't go wrong!

Limitedsilv06 · **Joined:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:08 am **Posts:** 19

FastTRX wrote:

If you were to do a spacer lift...for sure it would be wise to add a set of new rear shocks. I've heard from EVERYONE that the new shocks (Rancho, Rustys, OME...etc..) will make the Kj love you!

If you were looking for maximum lift...you could always find some 02' Pre-lowered springs (taller than your current stockers) and add them to the front and rear w/ the spacer lift as well as the new rear shocks. No matter what you decide on...if you choose All J you definitly can't go wrong!

I dont need front shocks just rear?

Gordo · **Posted:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:10 pm

Limitedsilv06 wrote:

I don't need front shocks just rear?

That is correct.

Limitedsilv06 · **Joined:** Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:08 am **Posts:** 19

I've read spacers do some damage, OTT spacers? not sure what OTT is I'm a new jeep guy.

Gordo · **Posted:** Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:08 pm

Limitedsilv06 wrote:

I've read spacers do some damage, OTT spacers? not sure what OTT is I'm a new jeep guy.

This depends on what you are going to do with your lift. If you are doing moderate to heavy off-roading then the 'OTT type' spacer kit is probably not for you. If the lift is just for looks or for the allowance of bigger tires, a spacer kit should be fine. The funny thing with kits like these is that you usually only hear when things go wrong, and not when they work as expected. There are many people who have experienced no problems at all - even with some off-roading.

OTT stands for 'Over-the-Top'. The real OTT kit is made by Rocky Road. Rusty's has there own version which does not actually use the term 'OTT', but it is an over-the-type style lift as well. The kit includes a 2" spacer that bolts on to the top strut plate and lowers the entire assembly away from the body providing the 2-1/2 inches of lift.

LIBAR8R · **Posted:** Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:21 pm

Gordo wrote:

Limitedsilv06 wrote:

I've read spacers do some damage, OTT spacers? not sure what OTT is I'm a new jeep guy.

This depends on what you are going to do with your lift. If you are doing moderate to heavy off-roading then the 'OTT type' spacer kit is probably not for you. If the lift is just for looks or for the allowance of bigger tires, a spacer kit should be fine. The funny thing with kits like these is that you usually only hear when things go wrong, and not when they work as expected. There are many people who have experienced no problems at all - even with some off-roading.

OTT stands for 'Over-the-Top'. The real OTT kit is made by Rocky Road. Rusty's has there own version which does not actually use the term 'OTT', but it is an over-the-type style lift as well. The kit includes a 2" spacer that bolts on to the top strut plate and lowers the entire assembly away from the body providing the 2-1/2 inches of lift.

How does it ride with a spacer kit though? I feel like the stock ride on the 05' I'm driving doesn't take pot holes well...I'm wondering if I went with a coil kit with better shocks if I'll be able to improve the ride. I too won't be offroading, just strictly for looks but if the coil kit offers a better feeling ride over the stock and or spacer kit I think it's worth it... Did you notice a better ride after your mods?

Eddo · **Joined:** Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:01 pm **Posts:** 1214

Limitedsilv06 wrote:

I've read spacers do some damage, OTT spacers? not sure what OTT is I'm a new jeep guy.

OTT is just a type of spacer that goes over the top of the struts. Rusty and Rocky road both use an OTT style space. It's just that Rocky Road coined the term OTT. There are also bottom struts spacers like Rough Country's kit that will results in similar problems. If you opt for a spacer make sure you use one that is placed inside the strut, not outside.

An OTT is definitely going to case upper ball joint contact with the springs, because it allows too much droop. You will need to fab up some bumpstops to prevent this. This is what is mean by UBJ contact
It is stopped just short of UBJ contact by the red bumpstop, otherwise the boot tears on the spring. An OTT kit WILL cause this problem, period.

Also, you are going to run into problems with bottoming out the strut if you hit some heavy bumps or do some 4-wheeling. Like seen in originally here http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... c&start=15

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Bad news folks, or at least the news everyone who has experence with the dreaded OTT lift already knows, except I have the pictures to show exactly how much this type of lift can damage your shocks and how it would happen on your first run out! It still really chaps my butt that so many companys sell these lifts to an unsuspecting public and even when I asked the Teraflex tech support I was assured that there was no such issue with this lift, what a crock!

I measured aprox 1 1/4" to 1 1/2" distance between the bottom of the bump stop and top of the upper A arm at full shock compression, that'll destroy a strut,(you do realize I just tore apart my brand new jeep just to check out exactly what the deal was with OTT lifts folks, thats gotta be a first lol)

I'd stay away from an OTT style kit. It will cause problems for all but the most gentle drivers. Whoever says else simply doesn't understand the way the supension and the geomerty work. There are tons of accounts of problems cause by OTT style kits or any outside the strut spacer. Its a shame they still manufacturer sell them.

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