New Superlift 4/1/07

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:00 pm

jason thompson wrote:

Gear swaps and larger tires are like hydrogen and oxygen you need both to make water
it is not as much an opinion as it is experance I have been there made that mistake
I also know that guys with very low gears and 33's on a Dana35 locked seem to not break it but guys with stock gears swap shafts like crazy
just what I know not an opinion
do what you want but in the end it will only cost more I am just sharing what I KNOW

You still don't get the point of this thread...It is about a new lift with more clearance. It is not about gearing and larger tires. This lift with the 32's that people are running now, would be an improvement. It is just that simple.

jason thompson · **Posted:** Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:20 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

jason thompson wrote:

Gear swaps and larger tires are like hydrogen and oxygen you need both to make water
it is not as much an opinion as it is experance I have been there made that mistake
I also know that guys with very low gears and 33's on a Dana35 locked seem to not break it but guys with stock gears swap shafts like crazy
just what I know not an opinion
do what you want but in the end it will only cost more I am just sharing what I KNOW

You still don't get the point of this thread...It is about a new lift with more clearance. It is not about gearing and larger tires. This lift with the 32's that people are running now, would be an improvement. It is just that simple.

You dot get what I am saying
With bigger tire you need lower gears it is just that simple so this lift will allow bigger tires it will require lower gears what am I not getting?
OK so guys like to run 32's with 3.73's ok I have been there done that I HATED it

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:20 pm

jason thompson wrote:

DarbyWalters wrote:

jason thompson wrote:

Gear swaps and larger tires are like hydrogen and oxygen you need both to make water
it is not as much an opinion as it is experance I have been there made that mistake
I also know that guys with very low gears and 33's on a Dana35 locked seem to not break it but guys with stock gears swap shafts like crazy
just what I know not an opinion
do what you want but in the end it will only cost more I am just sharing what I KNOW

You still don't get the point of this thread...It is about a new lift with more clearance. It is not about gearing and larger tires. This lift with the 32's that people are running now, would be an improvement. It is just that simple.

You dot get what I am saying
With bigger tire you need lower gears it is just that simple so this lift will allow bigger tires it will require lower gears what am I not getting?
OK so guys like to run 32's with 3.73's ok I have been there done that I HATED it

So according to your logic...any lift is useless without adding much larger tires and lower gearing. The problem with your "logic" is that it is not what the majority of KJ owners will ever try. This extra lift will allow KJ owners to possibly run 32's without any rubbing or cutting. If you don't think I understand about tires/gear ratios, you are mistaken. You are ignoring the benefits of this lift and basing it solely on the premise that 33"s will make the KJ unusable for anything but Jeep Roads without going to 4.56's or 4.88's. I would worry about rear driveshaft angles and vibrations before bigger tires and lower gearing.

Well I have made my point and am satisfied with the outcome. Done trying to get you to see any point except your own...Tunnel Vision leads to a Dead End.

Donnie · **Posted:** Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:34 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

jason thompson wrote:

DarbyWalters wrote:

jason thompson wrote:

Gear swaps and larger tires are like hydrogen and oxygen you need both to make water
it is not as much an opinion as it is experance I have been there made that mistake
I also know that guys with very low gears and 33's on a Dana35 locked seem to not break it but guys with stock gears swap shafts like crazy
just what I know not an opinion
do what you want but in the end it will only cost more I am just sharing what I KNOW

You still don't get the point of this thread...It is about a new lift with more clearance. It is not about gearing and larger tires. This lift with the 32's that people are running now, would be an improvement. It is just that simple.

You dot get what I am saying
With bigger tire you need lower gears it is just that simple so this lift will allow bigger tires it will require lower gears what am I not getting?
OK so guys like to run 32's with 3.73's ok I have been there done that I HATED it

So according to your logic...any lift is useless without adding much larger tires and lower gearing. The problem with your "logic" is that it is not what the majority of KJ owners will ever try. This extra lift will allow KJ owners to possibly run 32's without any rubbing or cutting. If you don't think I understand about tires/gear ratios, you are mistaken. You are ignoring the benefits of this lift and basing it solely on the premise that 33"s will make the KJ unusable for anything but Jeep Roads without going to 4.56's or 4.88's. I would worry about rear driveshaft angles and vibrations before bigger tires and lower gearing.

Well I have made my point and am satisfied with the outcome. Done trying to get you to see any point except your own...Tunnel Vision leads to a Dead End.

I know a bunch of guys running 35s on a fullsize 1500 truck without thinking about changing the gears and it runs perfect. Sure the tranny might be a little strong but it can't be too much.

jason thompson · **Posted:** Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:07 pm

build what you want how you want
Most lessons are learned the hard way

If no one ever trust that others may know more then them then the world would be an ignorant place

sure it may run ok but like the guys with the full size V8 trucks who say "why would I waste money on gears I got a V8"
and when they cant climb a little dirt hill even in 4lo cause the trans will only slip and I have to pull them up I get to say "I told you so"

I fully realize what good will come from a 4" lift I AM RUNNING THAT MUCH LIFT on a TJ and HAD THAT MUCH on a ford ranger IFS
and I know first hand that even a 4.0 V6 with an auto and 4.10's it still was not enough for 32's

never under estimate what some one you have never met first hand may know
Ignorance is bliss

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:54 pm

jason thompson wrote:

build what you want how you want
Most lessons are learned the hard way

Ignorance is bliss

Your implication of ignorance is noted. You have demonstrated this attribute when it comes to this topic. You are only able to hear your own thoughts and "blissfully ignore" the contributions of others. You keep going on about tires and gears...tires and gears...tires and gears. Nobody here is refuting the fact that it would be nice to be able to run 4.56's with 33's...Both these choices are NOT READILY AVAILABLE for a KJ for the most part. Keep up the good work! ( yes, that is sarcasm ) I find it hard to take constructive advice from someone who has yet to learn how to construct a sentence.

jason thompson · **Posted:** Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:19 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

jason thompson wrote:

build what you want how you want
Most lessons are learned the hard way

Ignorance is bliss

Your implication of ignorance is noted. You have demonstrated this attribute when it comes to this topic. You are only able to hear your own thoughts and "blissfully ignore" the contributions of others. You keep going on about tires and gears...tires and gears...tires and gears. Nobody here is refuting the fact that it would be nice to be able to run 4.56's with 33's...Both these choices are NOT READILY AVAILABLE for a KJ for the most part. Keep up the good work! ( yes, that is sarcasm ) I find it hard to take constructive advice from someone who has yet to learn how to construct a sentence.

I speak as some one who KNOWS about lifts and gears and just about anything you can do to a front engine rear drive truck of any make
I know what works and what dont as I have said "I have been there and done that"
I was one of the first people to buy a 4" lift for the newer ranger when superlift first made it when the ranger first whent IFS and trust me it was way more trouble than it was worth

no I can not "construct a sentence" but I have no need to do so besides at my age and in my line of work nobody realy cares they just want it to work

I am quite sure that when Rockkrawler made there 7" lift guys raved how great it was going to be and now look
I know that as soon as I could get my hands on the 4" lift for my old ruck I ran out and got it pulled it into the shop on a friday night and started cutting by sunday afternoon I was finaly finished and swore never again
If you want to be in that spot then by all means go for it I could be wrong and to some degree hope I am cause I think it would be sweet to clear larger tires and not have to cut and bang and by the time it get perfected some one may have the right R&P for it

KJ04 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:24 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

jason thompson wrote:

build what you want how you want
Most lessons are learned the hard way

Ignorance is bliss

Your implication of ignorance is noted. You have demonstrated this attribute when it comes to this topic. You are only able to hear your own thoughts and "blissfully ignore" the contributions of others. You keep going on about tires and gears...tires and gears...tires and gears. Nobody here is refuting the fact that it would be nice to be able to run 4.56's with 33's...Both these choices are NOT READILY AVAILABLE for a KJ for the most part. Keep up the good work! ( yes, that is sarcasm ) I find it hard to take constructive advice from someone who has yet to learn how to construct a sentence.

Bravo, and well said Mr. Darby.

Idealy, it would be nice to have a set of 4:30's to run with my 32's if they were available. Yet, the 3:73's haven't hampered me in the least from climbing anything steep to date in 4 low, except in the case of muddy conditions where traction and not gearing, is the problem.

warblade666 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:59 pm

I'm running 3.54:1 on my XJ with 32x11.5's and it does just fine.

As far as Superlift... like I have said before... they always say 6 more months. They have been saying that for over 2 years now.

RespectMyLibertay · **Posted:** Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:32 am

My bud ran 35s on his YJ with stock gears (4.10s at the highest, I'm guessing) and a stock 4 cylinder :shock:

except a new intake and exhaust. It outclimbed anything I ever saw...ever. All he had to do was put it in 4-lo; he couldn't climb a thing without it.

OzLtd · **Posted:** Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:06 am

Jason, I think you have gone way off topic. This topic is regarding Superlift, not Gears and Tyres.

As much as I love talking gears and tyres (on my to do list for the KJ), it should be in another thread.

I'm interested in this Superlift. They have made some crap out there now for a few years, but also a couple of good kits (so I heard!).

I wonder if they'll take the proper care and attention to the KJ, afterall, they've been 'developing' it for how many years now ?

Eddo · **Joined:** Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:01 pm **Posts:** 1214

I think its a step in the right direction. However, superlift has been dragging their feet forever on this so I'll believe it when I see it.

Also, I think Jason's point it was off topic and misfounded. Using his reasoning, lifts are useless w/o larger tires and larger tires won't work w/o new gears. That is contrary to pretty much any KJ owner that has a lift and larger tires. For that matter just go look at the XJ board and you will see tons of XJ running 31s and 32s w/ stock 3.54 gears. While it may not be ideal, off road with an automatic it is not that big of a deal. You are basing you experience off of your Ranger. Similar but not the same.

04kjsport · **Posted:** Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:43 pm

you know this is the exact reason why no one introduces a new lift for the kj. because once there is talk of one being introduced everyone just bitches about this and that. granted i understand that superlift has been saying over and over that it will be out in 6 more months, i'll believe it when i see it. i talked to rusty's on this topic and he said that the reason they haven't introduced a bigger lift is due to the fact that nobody wants to put the money out. so if someone does come out with a good lift everyone needs to stop bitching about the price. if you can design a lift for cheaper than go ahead and do it

chefdab · **Posted:** Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:11 pm

I say just wait for Al to get the problem with the knuckles figured out and buy his lift. Five and a half inches and no more "it will be out in six months" crap.

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:42 pm

04kjsport wrote:

you know this is the exact reason why no one introduces a new lift for the kj. because once there is talk of one being introduced everyone just bitches about this and that. granted i understand that superlift has been saying over and over that it will be out in 6 more months, i'll believe it when i see it. i talked to rusty's on this topic and he said that the reason they haven't introduced a bigger lift is due to the fact that nobody wants to put the money out. so if someone does come out with a good lift everyone needs to stop bitching about the price. if you can design a lift for cheaper than go ahead and do it

Two years of promises and hearing "in six months" is reason enough to gripe. I don't think the issue is of price unles it is outrageous compared to other lifts for other vehicles.

It is all about companies telling us that they will do it and then not do it, then tell us it will be out in six months and nothing, then tell us it costs too much or they have other vehicles they are working on, then tell us it will be out in six months again, then say it will be out in six months again, then tell us they are working on other vehicles first, again.

My hats off to those companies and individuals that have made an effort and came out with products for the KJ or tried, tested, and found their idea failed.

Sport · **Posted:** Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:41 pm

chefdab wrote:

I say just wait for Al to get the problem with the knuckles figured out and buy his lift. Five and a half inches and no more "it will be out in six months" crap.

USAFCOP · **Posted:** Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:56 pm

I still like the date they promissed it this time... If I had heard that on the phone, I would have laughed at them and asked to talk to a manager because I believe they just threw the date at you to get you off of the phone. They have a bad track record of getting us all worked out only for the date to come and go, and then they have nothing and all we hear are crickets. As for the price issue they mentioned, I do not know if they ever contacted us, as other companies had, to see what would be acceptable, nor have I heard of any focus groups or research done by their company to determine a price range. Now if it is proving too expensive, then it must be getting done right, and the kit they produce should be well worth the price, but I believe they are just pulling our legs... c'mon guys available April 1st... I am going to do some more research on my own, w/o adding the LOST info, and I am going to see if I can get the same answer. Do your homework, and answers are to be found somehow. I will post back if I find out the same or anything different...

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