The big problem with this fix...is it affects only 11,712 or so owners in a vehicle that is no longer sold stateside. If DC is willing to throw away 11,000 Jeep owners by taking away the vehicle they first sold us, it is a sad thing for sure. Mine was built 8-05-2005 and I have not had a tranny issue after 10,000 miles. I did buy this "BEAST" because of the nearly 300# torque. My 2002 3.7L needed about 50-60 more foot pounds of torque IMHO. It always seemed to be straining off the line, holding OD on the highway at certain speeds and downshilfting on almost any incline to keep the Cruise Control Settings.

I am wondering if the "adjustment" is a fueling program change or a Turbo Actuating program change. On top of that it sounds like they have raised the shifting points to occur after the peak torque has been reached and is declining.

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Founder of L.O.S.T.
2006 CRD Sport
Mods: GDE Hot Tune w/ 364#@2000rpm/Air Box /3" Str8 Exhaust/ASFIR Alum Skids/245-75R-16 Cooper STT PRO/OME LIFT w/Clevis & 4 Spring Isos/AirTabs/Rigid 10" S2 LED/4xGuard Ctr Matrix Bumper
Drag Strip:Reac=.1078_60ft=2.224_1/8=10.39@64.8mph_1/4+16.46@80.8mph

Whatever change is being made is not being made through the ECU software as far as I've been told. The torque maps in the software are still the same. Turbo control is the same, boost setpoints are the same, and fueling should be the same. Only change that I can see being rolled in would be a change in the soot control. I know it says that the ECM is getting programmed as well, but I know of no new calibrations that have been released for it.

The only change that I can see being made is rolling in some of the trans development work that has been done on the new CRD JK's to refine the shifting and TC lock up schedules - shift points at 1900-2200 during normal driving are much better on the trans life (clutches, bands), and they're trying to run more lock-up now to keep the trans temps down and slippage to a minimum. The work I saw done on the JKs was a vast improvement at the end of the summer, so I'm sure more work has been done on these as well. Don't forget that the TCM can request a decrese in torque, so the decrease in power might be from that; however, the recent work on the 545rfe was done to increase the torque capacity equal to that of the W5A580, so I honestly don't believe that the flashes would decrease output, and if they did it wouldn't be a drastic change.

Also, the new TC's have been redesigned with beefier lock-up clutches to handle the engine's torque while cruising at 1800-2000rpm since that's where the peak occurs. You have to remember this engine makes considerably more torque at these low RPMs then any previous application of the 545RFE has.

I'll ask around for some more answers on this recall and see what I can dig up...

Why not if you are having the shudder and you elimanated fuel, low fluid level, and any other causes, then yes I would try. What would you have to loose??? Just remember to check the fluid level hot and in park, it should be at top line on the stick.

I really haven't checked into the pump thing, I was just told they change venders is all.

The replacement TC's are the same as any TC currently in a CRD or on the dealer's parts shelf so my parts source tell me.

Also he has been given part numbers for 3L V6 diesel oil filter. I wonder if it the MB CDI?

Also I had the TSB 18-023-06 done, and could tell not for sure any difference in tranny or engine. Later the when they replaced the FCV & EGR last month they did a reflash for ECM & TCM and engine seems somewhat smoother and the tranny funkey shift at 35 mph is gone now and the vehicle seems just generally smoother operating. That makes me happy because the this vehicle was bought for the wife to be able to sit up high and be able to go in snow and withstand her ocassional curb jumping, or not suffer any damage when running over a cement block or truck tire tread on the highway.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

I will drive it as is and get the recall done at 69,000 miles. If the trans goes before, so be it. I paid for 295 ft lbs and if they press me they will eat it. My brother is in the car biz and he told me I have a very good chance of getting the vehicle bought back, if I wanted.

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2005 sport crd-SOLD No regrets

I am aching to know why post-Jan '06 CRD's are different...

Tow capacity is the only reason I didn't go for a VW TDI. I routinely tow significant loads in a mountainous region & 295 ft/lbs swayed me---I want my advertised torque!

I need to find a dyno...

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2006 Jeep Liberty Limited CRD w/275000 miles

Well guys, I happen to know the guys from RTM productions. They do Horsepower TV, Trucks TV, and so on. Anyway my fiance ran into the producer tonight and he said for me to contact him this week and he might be able to help me out with a dyno test. He also agreed that we paid for specific torque numbers and any drop in that is not right. I will let you know what I find out and if and when I can get on a dyno.

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05 Liberty CRD Limited; Dk Khaki
Bridgestone Revo 245/70 R16
Tow Hooks
ipod Adapter

Retired Cars:
86 Izuzu Trooper II
87 Jeep Cherokee Pioneer (317,000 miles and still going, gave it to a friend)
99 Grand Cherokee Limited

Gawd, who needs to watch soap operas when you own a CRD?

Kind of a moot point now anyway for me. Since the end of June, the CRD has been relegated to backup/extreme weather/weekend vehicle from daily driver, thanks to the '87 300D. I've only put 2000 miles on it in the past 6 months, most of that while the MB was in the body shop after some SOB in a tractor trailer did a hit-and-run on it's left rear quarter panel.

I think it's the contrast between the two vehicles that really has me PO'd over all the drama we've had to go thru with the CRD over the past two years. And it all boils down to two things - QUALITY CONTROL and PROPER ENGINEERING.

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Mitchell Oates
'87 MB 300D Diamond Blue Metallic
'87 MB 300D - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Sport CRD Stone White
Provent CCV Filter/AT2525 Muffler
Stanadyne 30 u/Cat 2 u Fuel Filters
Fumoto Drain/Fleetguard LF3487 Oil filter
V6 Airbox/Amsoil EAA Air Filter
Suncoast TC/Shift Kit/Aux Cooler
Kennedy Lift Pump/Return Fuel Cooler

It also boils down to DC's secrecy. They keep everything under wraps and leave everyone guessing. Why don't they just release a letter that says exaclty what the TQ replacement is (different part or not), exactly what work is being done to the tranny and exactly what the new programming changes are and are not? Let alone if this is an intermediary step to a better fix or if it is the final fix. That would go along way towards relieving ill will and confusion. No one likes being in the dark.

I had a 240D and a 300. Great cars, but if you took them to the local Mercedes dealer-- you got the same incompetant crap. The independant diesel mechanics could fix them and keep them running like tops, but the dealer just charged you for swapping parts while they stood there with their noses held high. The only difference between a Mercedes dealer and a Chrysler/Jeep dealer is that the tech's at the Mercedes dealer wear lab coats and carry clip boards and charge more. The lack of service exists at both dealerships, Before the merger I would say it was even worse at Mercedes stealerships-- nothing is cornier than a guy in a lab coat with a fake retarded German/French hybrid accent telling you that you must pay 400 dollars a year to flush the brake fluid because it 'gets dusty and tired' and it costs $400 because 'dis is ah mecedes' while he sticks his nose in the air.

The other cars I have owned have transmissions that just work without needing 2 recalls and an engine detune,,. 'but ah, dis iz not a kar, tis ah Jep crd'... Starting to feel familiar.

DR Z...you have been detuned to Mr Y

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Founder of L.O.S.T.
2006 CRD Sport
Mods: GDE Hot Tune w/ 364#@2000rpm/Air Box /3" Str8 Exhaust/ASFIR Alum Skids/245-75R-16 Cooper STT PRO/OME LIFT w/Clevis & 4 Spring Isos/AirTabs/Rigid 10" S2 LED/4xGuard Ctr Matrix Bumper
Drag Strip:Reac=.1078_60ft=2.224_1/8=10.39@64.8mph_1/4+16.46@80.8mph

This is EXACTLY what I'm going through - except that I have to return the Jeep to my primary driver by January when my wife reclaims her ride. Mine has been parked since the end of July while I drive my bulletproof AWD Sienna. The only time the Jeep gets out of the garage is for another reflash or potential transmission rebuild. And what really irks me is the prep time I have to do before leaving it at the dealer. Remove all my stuff (80lbs of tools, gps, cd's, maps) from all over the Jeep, then, remove the MOPAR transmission skid beause it did not come factory on the CRD - it's a MOPAR skid, but MOPAR wants $70+ bucks to remove two screws to take off and put on, each time I have to return for their screwed up transmission "patches." No courtesy at all for a, thus far, loyal customer with a bad back.

And I can say I would have bought a Chevy Pickup Truck again had it not been for the 295 ft-lbs of torque rating. That gives me just enough umph to get my trailer across the midwest, and out to Pennsylvania to visit the relatives, without downshifting to 3rd on the auto because we can't select 4th!!!!!

My life circumstances are such that I can not handle a long drawn out battle with Jeep/chry right now. My 1974 CJ6 was more reliable than this, and it was pretty bad in the reliability department.

Am I up for a lawsuit, YEAH! Do I have a dime to spare right now to pursue this, NO! So I have to bend over and take it.

I never knew I could love a mini-van so much - but reliability sure does persuade a person...

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

And that's the funniest thing I've read in a long time - timed perfect - because I needed that! Thanks

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

I haven't done this recall. But I did lose my T/C about a month ago. The service manager said that they replaced the T/C with a "older type but modified" T/C. It was different that the stock T/C. If they did any detuning then I never felt it. The Jeep ran the same after the repair. I would say that many of you are freaking out over nothing. My dealer also took good care of me and let me have a rental car for two weeks- no hassle at all.

That said I would like to beat:

(1) Whoever designed the stock T/C.
(2) Whoever decided not to have the european 6-spd as an option in this vehicle.

Mine's going in next Monday. Dealer also arranged for a rental car free of charge to me.

My service advisor told me the info the dealer is getting specifies a certain part number for the replacement torque converter. I'm getting the impression it's not just a copy of the torque converter that was installed at the factory.

I guess I'll know if I have performance issues when I get it back.

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2006 Liberty Limited CRD Bright Silver Metallic (NOW SOLD)
All Recalls Performed
100k extended warranty
Fumoto Oil Drain Valves (Oil Pan & Transfer Case)
V6 Airbox Mod
New Driveshaft, New EGR
2003 Wrangler Sport 4.0L, Bright Blue
2007 Wrangler Sahara Unlimited 4 Door, Red Rock Crystal Pearl WOW!!!

My CRD is going in on Tuesday the 12th, if the parts are in. Hopefully it will not shudder or buck anymore. I just love the vehicle and fuel mileage, it's too bad they can't get it right it's a super vehicle and fun to drive. I still like it.
Maybe it will take care of the new bucking issue also. I am going to tell them about it.

Amen. Right now, it seems even the people that should be in the know can't determine just WTF DC is up to. Between oldnavy and MrMopar64, with no disrespect intended toward either gentleman, it sounds like 2 different stories as to what this recall actually involves. To me, it just indicates confusion caused by a lack of hard data as a result of this "mushroom" policy.

If it were just this recall BY ITSELF, and what oldnavy/MrMopar64 related actually turns out to be the case - an increase in fuel economy, no noticeable effect in driveability and performance, new parts in the tranny, and programmed so it would increase tranny reliability - I'd most likely be a happy camper.

But all we know for sure right now is what is on the recall - our TC is going to be replaced and our vehicle is being reprogrammed to reduce the engine's power/torque output to "increase transmission reliability".

What probably has a lot of people upset (including me) is that, at first glance, it reads like a warranty band-aid, instead of a properly engineered fix. After 20 years in the Navy dealing with military/govt doublespeak, and 9 years at Freightliner dealing with corporate doublespeak, I was certainly inclined to read between the lines as to what this recall is all about.

And in the end, this recall is not happening in a vacuum. It comes against a background of a long list of TSB's, recalls, service notices, meetings with district managers, frequent dealer visits with poor service, complaints, problems, lemon law actions/buybacks, etc, not just with the CRD but other DC vehicles as well. Given this backdrop, and the way it's worded, it's hard not to take a jaundiced view of it right off the bat.

For now, all that most of us can do is wait and see what the actual results are, and then decide whether or not it's worthwhile keeping the vehicle.

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Mitchell Oates
'87 MB 300D Diamond Blue Metallic
'87 MB 300D - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Sport CRD Stone White
Provent CCV Filter/AT2525 Muffler
Stanadyne 30 u/Cat 2 u Fuel Filters
Fumoto Drain/Fleetguard LF3487 Oil filter
V6 Airbox/Amsoil EAA Air Filter
Suncoast TC/Shift Kit/Aux Cooler
Kennedy Lift Pump/Return Fuel Cooler

Have them put a six speed manual tranny in the vehicle and bring the engine back to spec, and all we will have to do is worry about the EGR valves. Better fuel mileage and perforance. At this point I would be up for that even though I prefer the auto tranny at my age.

I spoke with the dealer today regarding the work involved, and parts to be used. The initial work calls for the TC to be replaced with the one used on the 4.7L gas engines in some Grand Cherokees and Durangos. This TC apparently is a bit smaller and therefore has a higher stall speed. They feel the difference in stall speed should offset the reduction in torque programmed in the TCM/ECM.

He also mentioned the procedure is very long depending on what they find, and made it clear they probably will not be able to complete this in the 5.5 hrs allotted by GM. Most likely 1.5-2 days to complete.

Will update when I can - and will try to get the mechanic's procedure and post Thursday/Friday.

Mine is at the dealers now, for another trany related problem, wouldn’t shift into 5th the other day and kept acting like it was going to stall at every light, had a CEL over the weekend Saturday and Sunday that went away Monday.

When I asked about this recall I was told they didn't think mine was covered, I said YES IT IS I check.

I’m starting to wish I bought the FJ Cruiser and suffered with the MPG.

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1946 CJ2A

I want the replacement DZL_LOU got - an entire transmission with the redesigned front pump already in it - and probably a nicely upgraded, and correct for the CRD, torque converter inside it as well. I wonder if they will make him return and have his new transmission gutted.

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

From the conversation I had with the tech, it sounded like they have a lot of inspection to do on the tranny to determine the level of damage and will go from there. I agree with you though, after putting up with this amount of BS for a truck with 20k miles.