Transmission Petition

Jeger · **Posted:** Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:42 am

I turned the overdrive off in town the other day and it didnt seem to like it very well, shudderd quite a bit while cruising around 30-35MPH, still accelerated smooth. The first time I noticed a shudder I had the cruise set at 70, then a car cut in front of me and slowed down so I had to hit the brakes to slow down to about 50, after traffic went by (just a few seconds) I hit resume on the cruise and as soon as we het 70 it started to buck a little. Now whenever I am getting on the highway and accelerate to merge into traffic it will do it once I am up to speed. If you have never experienced the shudder, try accelerating at a brisk pace from about 20 MPH then hold a steady speed somewhere around 55-70MPH.

alljeep · **Posted:** Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:13 am

Joe Romas wrote:

Jeger wrote:

midwest wrote:

Glad I have zero tranny problems,,,am I the only one?

How many miles do you have on the clock?

I first noticed my shutter within a mile of the dealership at 9 miles on the clock :shock:

If they're driven a certain way, accelerate briskly then ease up slightly just over 50 mph, I think they all will do it.
Ride them hard and you'll not get it :wink:

Ditto! Exactly how I can trigger it. Remember folks, not a single one of us got the redesigned torque converter from the factory, it was a redesign for the 2007 models across the Dodge lineup. Only way we can get it is to have a failure; refer to the TSB 'Announcement' near the top of the CRD forum - it's not a TSB, but the only place I knew where to stick the information - originally provided by DZL_LOU, another Indy guy who's already been through transmission h-e-double hockey sticks.

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

I had a TC failure and a replacement - still shudders badly after brisk acceleration - or mild acceleration. The replacment TC is better at stop lights - the original never disengaged correctly - it required a lot of brake pedal to keep it stopped at traffic lights. The new one works correctly, very little brake pedal required and it doesn't load the engine at lights. Shudder, however remains.

cocojo · **Posted:** Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:44 pm

Personally I don't think DC knows how to fix it. There is way too may people experiencing this same problem. If they had a cure, I think they would do a recall. I don't think they know how to correct this problem. Are all the Jeep CRD's sent to other countries having these same problems or just the USA vehicles? If they don't know how to correct the problem they are not going to recall the vehicles. Right now they are bandaiding the problem with their computer fixes, trying anything that may work. What is it with DC and their tranny's, don't they know how to make a good transmission yet.

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

DC knows how to fix it.... they have built Dodge Cummins diesel rigs for years. The 48RE was the answer to the tranny problems of the 47RE Dodge diesel truck, but at least they fixed it instead of ditching the whole project. The $$$ to put a decent torque converter, ccv and replace the egr/cooler combination with correctly operating parts is why they keep messing around with bandaid flash "fixes." Once they get past the 3/36K warranty on the majority of CRD's their bean counters think they're off the hook.

Endurance · **Posted:** Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:11 am

same here. I had the TC and transm pump replaced and it started shuddering. It never shuddered before, it started after I got the new parts. The reason I got a new TC and all that was because OD didnt work anymore. Mine had no torque/power in OD.

midwest · **Joined:** Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:03 am **Posts:** 173

Jeger wrote:

midwest wrote:

Glad I have zero tranny problems,,,am I the only one?

How many miles do you have on the clock?

12,500 miles on the clock. I drive it like I stole it nearly every time I get in it. I'm sure if I had this problem id know it. I did have the tranny tsb done at about 500 miles,,,that shudder was very obvious. I have accelerated hard to 50 or so then let off it many times--IT'S JUST NOT THERE. It hunts a bit around 56 mph, but I just speed up a bit and that goes away. At all other times it is smooth.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:59 am

midwest wrote:

Jeger wrote:

midwest wrote:

Glad I have zero tranny problems,,,am I the only one?

How many miles do you have on the clock?

12,500 miles on the clock. I drive it like I stole it nearly every time I get in it. I'm sure if I had this problem id know it. I did have the tranny tsb done at about 500 miles,,,that shudder was very obvious. I have accelerated hard to 50 or so then let off it many times--IT'S JUST NOT THERE. It hunts a bit around 56 mph, but I just speed up a bit and that goes away. At all other times it is smooth.

I'm confused :roll:

First you say " I did have the tranny tsb done at about 500 miles,,,that shudder was very obvious. " you go on to say "IT'S JUST NOT THERE" :?:

Plus your "I have accelerated hard to 50 or so then let off it many times" is not mild or brisk . As I said if you drive it hard you'll not see it. Also paying attention to what feels like road surface or wind disturbances at steady freeway speeds is also the symptom in discuise. dsl_lou had a oil pump problem and they have redesigned the "front pump" (there's been only one pump for the last 30 to 40 years but it's still called the front pump). On another board it was said the front pump has problems putting out enough pressure/volume to keep the TC properly locked or unlocked at at lower rpm's. The changes in the shift patterns that come with the F-31 flash seem to bear this out. Also a tsb raised the fluid pressure as a bandaid. When I drive my rpm's are under 2k while yours are most likely over 2k. So babying it kills them and running the snot out of them makes them last :?:

That's contrary to how it should be :roll:

midwest · **Joined:** Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:03 am **Posts:** 173

Joe Romas wrote:

midwest wrote:

Jeger wrote:

midwest wrote:

Glad I have zero tranny problems,,,am I the only one?

How many miles do you have on the clock?

12,500 miles on the clock. I drive it like I stole it nearly every time I get in it. I'm sure if I had this problem id know it. I did have the tranny tsb done at about 500 miles,,,that shudder was very obvious. I have accelerated hard to 50 or so then let off it many times--IT'S JUST NOT THERE. It hunts a bit around 56 mph, but I just speed up a bit and that goes away. At all other times it is smooth.

I'm confused :roll:

First you say " I did have the tranny tsb done at about 500 miles,,,that shudder was very obvious. " you go on to say "IT'S JUST NOT THERE" :?:

Plus your "I have accelerated hard to 50 or so then let off it many times" is not mild or brisk . As I said if you drive it hard you'll not see it. Also paying attention to what feels like road surface or wind disturbances at steady freeway speeds is also the symptom in discuise. dsl_lou had a oil pump problem and they have redesigned the "front pump" (there's been only one pump for the last 30 to 40 years but it's still called the front pump). On another board it was said the front pump has problems putting out enough pressure/volume to keep the TC properly locked or unlocked at at lower rpm's. The changes in the shift patterns that come with the F-31 flash seem to bear this out. Also a tsb raised the fluid pressure as a bandaid. When I drive my rpm's are under 2k while yours are most likely over 2k. So babying it kills them and running the snot out of them makes them last :?:

That's contrary to how it should be :roll:

Don't be confused Joe. The shudder I had a few times prior to the TSB was after backing out of my driveway first thing in the morning. It was very obvious and killed the engine once. The shudder I read about here where you seem to have to go through a sequence of events to produce--I DON'T HAVE. If you don't see the difference, It is because you don't want to. I have done your "mild" and "brisk" accelerations many times too (mostly when wife and kids on-board). If it will make you feel better, I will jump on the bandwagon and say my tranny is terrible. Im sure it shudders like crazy and I just can't feel it.

blacksmoke · **Posted:** Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:58 pm

184 now

no-blue-screen · **Posted:** Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:20 pm

Looks like all our complaining worked...at least for some people.

Read the following thread and put the last 8 of your vin in at the jeep website:

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... hp?t=15086

valkraider · **Posted:** Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:49 pm

midwest wrote:

Glad I have zero tranny problems,,,am I the only one?

There is still time yet....

oldnavy · **Posted:** Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:00 pm

valkraider wrote:

midwest wrote:

Glad I have zero tranny problems,,,am I the only one?

There is still time yet....

I haven't had any problems other the having the dealer do the TSB on the tranny filter at 1,300 miles. I had a rather poor shift at 35 mph, but only if you were coming off the throttle at about that speed. That has since been cured by a flash upgrade by the dealer without me having to ask for the flash.

sirroco · **Joined:** Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:59 pm **Posts:** 29

I too had no tranny problems. Had all the TSB's, trans filter changed at low mileage. Never had a shutter problem or the delayed engagement. Took it to the dealer for the F37 recall and now having the TC, trans oil pump and trans oil cooler replaced. Originally it was just the TC until read them what other parts were notated and they have agreed to the other items. Maybe that was a mistake if they have to go into the tranny for the pump. Again I never had a problem, never towed anything anf have 7,484 miles on an 05 Sport. They said pick it up and drive it it until the factory backordered pump arrives. I don't know how they determined what was to be replaced as they never disassembled anything. They say 5-10 days due to the Holidays.

Jeger · **Posted:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:53 pm

sirroco wrote:

I too had no tranny problems. Had all the TSB's, trans filter changed at low mileage. Never had a shutter problem or the delayed engagement. Took it to the dealer for the F37 recall and now having the TC, trans oil pump and trans oil cooler replaced. Originally it was just the TC until read them what other parts were notated and they have agreed to the other items. Maybe that was a mistake if they have to go into the tranny for the pump. Again I never had a problem, never towed anything anf have 7,484 miles on an 05 Sport. They said pick it up and drive it it until the factory backordered pump arrives. I don't know how they determined what was to be replaced as they never disassembled anything. They say 5-10 days due to the Holidays.

The parts they are replacing makes me think that they suspect your TC is coming apart and contaminating the system. Are they doing the filters too?

sirroco · **Joined:** Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:59 pm **Posts:** 29

There was no mention of filters being replaced. However, when I take it in for the repairs I will make mention of that. I have had excellent report with them for other issues. Thanks to this forum I have been able to give them input that they have been very receptive to.

no-blue-screen · **Posted:** Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:27 am

sirroco wrote:

There was no mention of filters being replaced. However, when I take it in for the repairs I will make mention of that. I have had excellent report with them for other issues. Thanks to this forum I have been able to give them input that they have been very receptive to.

Sounds like you have a good dealer. Some dealers value input from the customer, while others get defensive and think you are trying to tell them how to do their jobs. I feel that good dealers are hard to come by these days.

KJbob · **Posted:** Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:16 pm

no-blue-screen wrote:

sirroco wrote:

There was no mention of filters being replaced. However, when I take it in for the repairs I will make mention of that. I have had excellent report with them for other issues. Thanks to this forum I have been able to give them input that they have been very receptive to.

Sounds like you have a good dealer. Some dealers value input from the customer, while others get defensive and think you are trying to tell them how to do their jobs. I feel that good dealers are hard to come by these days.

I think dealerships "make or break" a person's satisfaction of a given vehicle. I think I have a pretty good Jeep dealer. When I had my TDI I think my dealer was pretty good too. Both of them seemed interested in explaining things and were receptive to my input.

Got Diesel · **Joined:** Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:13 am **Posts:** 108

Well finally ,I got the CRD fixed and it's Running Right!!! I can not believe the Dealership got it right this time around and had all the TSB'S and issues fixed..ME is happy now,let's hope the sensored word will stay right for along time.

no-blue-screen · **Posted:** Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:03 am

KJbob wrote:

no-blue-screen wrote:

sirroco wrote:

There was no mention of filters being replaced. However, when I take it in for the repairs I will make mention of that. I have had excellent report with them for other issues. Thanks to this forum I have been able to give them input that they have been very receptive to.

Sounds like you have a good dealer. Some dealers value input from the customer, while others get defensive and think you are trying to tell them how to do their jobs. I feel that good dealers are hard to come by these days.

I think dealerships "make or break" a person's satisfaction of a given vehicle. I think I have a pretty good Jeep dealer. When I had my TDI I think my dealer was pretty good too. Both of them seemed interested in explaining things and were receptive to my input.

Heh...and KJbob...I just noticed we have the same exact vehicle...mine is a bright silver metallic Limited CRD too...also, my dealer has been good to me as well....gave me a free rental for two days when I took it back for a vibration and TSBs.

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