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Has anyone gotten a letter on this? I still am confused at to whether this is an actual recall, or just a TSB.


I still have not gotten a letter for the LBJ recall that was issued 3 months ago, let alone this thing. I am not sure of the legal definition of this thing, but when I checked in at the dealership, their internal computer screen showed the word RECALL for F37 as well as the LBJ. I am mystified.

I will tell you another thing that really irked me. When I called ahead of time they said they will charge me for removing my MOPAR skids since they were not originally factory installed, however the actual F37 reads to remove them regardless and no extra charge or time allotment is stated. On my filter TSB, it was stated the extra time alloted for factory skids - this time, it's supposed to be included.

It pisses me off that I have to have my own "dealer prep" before I can goto a dealer for recall work.

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Yes, the day the recall caeme out I called my dealer, they called the Atlanta parts depot, they had just under 700 kits on hold for the F37 recall, my dealer ordered one, it got there Yesterday, now I'm waiting for their tranny guy to come back. That being said I'm so not sure I'll have it done yet. Part of me wants the shudder gone, another part of me is convinced this won't solve the problem. However I have the 100K ext warranty so may get it done figuring sometime in the next 70K if its gonna break it will. The 5th lock up at 50 sounds good as well...

You dealer ordered one before the recall, make sure he is ordering the recall part # for the TC (different), he may be waiting for one of the old design which will never show up...


I checked on the part numbers last night and the new TC is the newer part number, they tell me its in but they are waiting on the transmission pump now


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Some of the last 4 or 5 posts are going to be confusing for some. We have to remember that the 545RFE has TWO OVERDRIVES. If you are cruising at 55mph you will at least be using the 1st overdrive. The second overdrive kicks in at a higher speed. If you are not sure if you are in overdrive at 55mph...just reach down and trun off the OD button...you will know in a hurry.

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or as my brother who ownes a large garage terms the tranny "it's really a 5/6 speed tranny"

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I will tell you another thing that really irked me. When I called ahead of time they said they will charge me for removing my MOPAR skids since they were not originally factory installed, however the actual F37 reads to remove them regardless and no extra charge or time allotment is stated. On my filter TSB, it was stated the extra time alloted for factory skids - this time, it's supposed to be included.

It pisses me off that I have to have my own "dealer prep" before I can goto a dealer for recall work.


Some dealerships are truly scammers. I can't believe something that takes a few seconds with an impact wrench to remove would be charged for.
Pure gaul to do something like that to a customer. Dealerships really try to place a wedge between themselves and the customer.
I thought F37 was labled "Customer Satisfaction"? This type of over-charging behaviour won't leave any customer satisfied.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:15 pm 
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545RFE Automatic Transmission

The introduction of the completely redesigned 1999 WJ Grand Cherokee in June of 1998 was a much anticipated date for automotive enthusiasts. One of the major pieces of the redesign was the new five speed automatic transmission designated the 545RFE. This transmission was developed specifically with Jeeps in mind.

This transmission was available only on WJs with a 4.7L V8 engine; the 6 cylinder engine received the venerable 42RE. By design, the 545RFE is quite sophisticated. It employs multiple gear ranges controlled electronically to provide greater fuel economy as well as great responsiveness for passing and acceleration. Precision engineering and manufacturing methods also helped to reduce overall NVH (noise, vibration, harshness). It features five forward gear ratios with an alternative second gear ratio (2 Prime) for smoother 4th to 2nd kickdowns at high speeds to provide spectacular passing performance over a wider speed range. The addition of the fifth (overdrive) gear ratio is the primary cause of the lower NVH and better fuel economy (lower RPMs = less noise and fuel consumption).

It is electronically controlled by the TCM or Transmission Control Module. This module is the heart adaptive shifting programming. The TCM depends on data from several sensors and switches to determine driver demand and the Jeep's operating conditions. Controls are in place to protect the transmission from damage from high temperatures. The TCM protects the transmission by modifying shift schedules, line pressure and converter clutch control. These controls reduce the amount of heat that is created and increase cooling of the 545RFE. The 545RFE is contained by a one-piece die-cast aluminum case. To reduce NVH, integrated into the case are ribs to increase multi-angular torsional rigidity. There are dual lubricant filters in the 545RFE. First is the customary internal main sump pan filter; second is the external canister-type pump return filter.

545RFE Maintenance Recommendations
Fluid Capacity for Service fill (drop pan, change filters, refill): 6.2 Liters or 6.55 Quarts

Fluid Type: Mopar ATF +4, or any Dexron IV approved fluid (author uses Redline Oil Synthetic D4 ATF)

Torque specifications:

Oil pan bolts: 11.8Nm or 8.75 Ft Lbs
Primary fluid filter screw: 4.5Nm or 3.33 Ft Lbs


Gear Ratio
1st 3.00 : 1
2nd 1.67 : 1
2nd Prime 1.50 : 1
3rd 1.00 : 1
4th 0.75 : 1
5th 0.67 : 1
Reverse 3.00 : 1
Torque Converter Up to 2.40 : 1

More...Other source...

Chrysler's newest transmission in trucks is called either the 45RFE or 5-45RFE. RFE stands for rear wheel drive, fully electronic. These transmissions despite having different names are basically the same, except that the 5-45RFE has an extra overdrive ratio. the 5-45RFE does indeed use 5 ratios in its normal shift sequence. the 45RFE only uses 4 speeds in a normal shift sequence. BOTH trannies have alternate second gear ratios for kickdown. for instance when you floor the throttle at highway speeds the tranny will downshift to the taller numerical second gear ratio to help smooth out the downshift. Since the 5-45RFE goes through 5 ratios in a normal shift sequence, chrysler can call it a 5 speed automatic. Chrysler calls the 45RFE a multispeed tranny simply because of the two second gear ratios, but in a normal shift sequence it only uses 4 gears.

The 5-45RFE is supplanting the 45RFE in virtually all the trucks. Presumably that extra overdrive ratio in the 5-45RFE helps fuel mileage. Chrysler is able to "electronically" get another ratio out of the 45RFE planetary gearset. The extra ratio makes the tranny a 5-45RFE!

The 45RFE four speed plus kickdown automaticAn electronically-controlled transmission with five forward ratios including an alternate second gear ratio for improved performance for passing and better fuel economy was designed specifically for Jeeps (but was used later in Dodge trucks) starting with the 1999 Grand Cherokee V8.

The transmission features a tall, 3.00:1 first gear that gives the driver better initial acceleration. Real-time driver adaptive shifting fine-tunes the shift pattern to the driver, while an alternate second gear ratio gives the driver five forward ratios. During acceleration, second gear has a ratio of 1.67. Depending on speed and throttle position, both this gear and an alternate 1.50 second gear ratio are available for kick-down operation, making the down-shift smoother. Its reverse gear ratio is equal to the first gear ratio, to allow for heavier loads.

Other features include three planetary gear sets that combine the widest range of gear ratios available in any transmission in its class. Combined with precise step selections, this brings smooth shifts and maximum power and optimal fuel economy.

The transmission is built at the Indiana Transmission Plant in Kokomo, Indiana, in an all-new 1.2-million square-foot facility.

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DZL_LOU wrote:
alljeep wrote:
I will tell you another thing that really irked me. When I called ahead of time they said they will charge me for removing my MOPAR skids since they were not originally factory installed, however the actual F37 reads to remove them regardless and no extra charge or time allotment is stated. On my filter TSB, it was stated the extra time alloted for factory skids - this time, it's supposed to be included.

It pisses me off that I have to have my own "dealer prep" before I can goto a dealer for recall work.


Some dealerships are truly scammers. I can't believe something that takes a few seconds with an impact wrench to remove would be charged for.
Pure gaul to do something like that to a customer. Dealerships really try to place a wedge between themselves and the customer.
I thought F37 was labled "Customer Satisfaction"? This type of over-charging behaviour won't leave any customer satisfied.


Welcome to Westgate CJD in Plainfield, IN. Where the techs are really good at what they do, but the managers completely SUCK.

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Checked Jeep.com and I'm not on the recall build date 5/15/06

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Checked Jeep.com and I'm not on the recall build date 5/15/06


call DC have them read the whole recall and they will call your dealer to get it done. Others have done so.

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 Post subject: Re: F37 Recall Results
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alljeep wrote:
So you did not get the pump and cooler replaced and it all runs fine. Mine has the same history as yours in that I've hit every reflash and filter TSB the day they hit the internet and it sounds like you have confirmed that my last reflash (18-023-06) IS the latest. Thanks for the update and please correct me if I'm wrong.


No, I did not have the pump replaced and so far it seems okay. I was specifically told the 18-023-06 is the latest flash update available.

I'm happy the download is working and hope that helps! Those not included on the F37 - Are you having the tranny studder between 50-55, or between 50-70 (depending on which software versions on ECM/TCM)? Would be interesting to know...


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So you did not get the pump and cooler replaced and it all runs fine. Mine has the same history as yours in that I've hit every reflash and filter TSB the day they hit the internet and it sounds like you have confirmed that my last reflash (18-023-06) IS the latest. Thanks for the update and please correct me if I'm wrong.


No, I did not have the pump replaced and so far it seems okay. I was specifically told the 18-023-06 is the latest flash update available.

I'm happy the download is working and hope that helps! Those not included on the F37 - Are you having the tranny studder between 50-55, or between 50-70 (depending on which software versions on ECM/TCM)? Would be interesting to know...


Shudder is sometimes at 63-65 Can't say that I have ever had a shudder any lower than that. It has only sudder 5 or 6 times total and only when the engine was cold.

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DarbyWalters wrote:
Some of the last 4 or 5 posts are going to be confusing for some. We have to remember that the 545RFE has TWO OVERDRIVES. If you are cruising at 55mph you will at least be using the 1st overdrive. The second overdrive kicks in at a higher speed. If you are not sure if you are in overdrive at 55mph...just reach down and trun off the OD button...you will know in a hurry.


Thanks, Darby,

I swear I don't remember my tranny behaving this way until the last flash. What I had remembered was that the TC wouldn't lock up until the last gear (57mph) unless you used the OD defeat switch. Now it definitely locks up in both of the two highest gears. If we're calling that OD by definition, so be it.

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2 full days in the shop and I've been told they are "waiting on parts" so the end of Monday at the earliest... (not open on the weekends! must be new hours...)

...so I'm out 5 full days minimum now because they originally told me on December 1 when I scheduled this appointment they had the parts in stock. When I had dropped it off on December 7 the story had changed with a big fat denial of ever having the parts.

...not a loaner car in sight. Good night folks, I'm going home...

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What do you mean no loaner???? They are required to provide a loaner per the F37 procedure. The last dealer I went to would not provide a loaner for the ball joint recall/18-023-06 update after they trashed my TCM. I'll never go to them again. Found a dealer I will be adding to the "excellent service" thread shortly.


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I'm happy the download is working and hope that helps! Those not included on the F37 - Are you having the tranny studder between 50-55, or between 50-70 (depending on which software versions on ECM/TCM)? Would be interesting to know...


Thanks for the download! I'm not included. Twice I have felt something (both times on flat freeway) that caused me to pause and concentrate but never could make a determination whether it was really anything. If it was it, it was brief & hardly descernable. It felt like road roughness that seemed too periodic but then disappeared once it caught my attention. Figured I was just a bit paranoid due to what I've read here. I'm not sure of my speed now but it was at least in the 60's.

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After reading the first few pagesof the F37, we ALL are to get the F37 Recall. From start thru Nov 2, 2006. Am I wrong?

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put mine in mon and still waiting the said it was done then went in and i wasnt so now they are putting in a new pump too not to happy about the wait but the tech said after putting the TC in something was just not right so there put the pump in and working on it somemore on sat. at least they didnt just give it to me knowing something was wrong so i guess i cant be to mad it there first one .....hope i can get it tomorrow


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Just got mine done, pump and TQ, however they were unable to do the flash, tried twice. One
of my ECMs tells them it is an 05, the other module says it is an 06. So for now I have a very
unique vehicle. Runs great, smooth shifting, no shudder. But I have to put some miles on to
really know. The dealership was great, and I have no complaints. Went for a test ride, so will
see how the next few days go. Anyone ever have the flashes fail because of the above?

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Called my service rep today about this and was told that they would need to tear down the tranny and look at the part numbers on the convertor and pump. If, yes he said if, they are not the correct parts, then they will order the ones required and my KJ will be sitting there till they get the parts and I get no loaner. Needless to say I'll be printing out the F37 recall and will be knocking on the service manager's door monday morning for him to explain their interpretation of F37. Man I hate being treated like I know nothing and they are going out of their way to do me a favor.

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CRD4ME - Which dealer did you take yours to? I spoke to my local dealer and they told me they did not have the parts yet. I am taking it in tonight to have them drive it. Since I had the TC, filters, pump replaced in May, I have had zero problems. In the last week there has been this constant shaking. I had the tires balanced, but that did not fix the shake. The shake only happens when you are pushing the gas pedal to accelerate or keep speed. It is smooth when coasting. Any one else have this symptom?

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