Geez, I've been waiting on a transmission pump for 2+ weeks now, they finally got one to the dealer today but it was broken so I'm back to waiting. They say a replacement will arrive by wednesday but if it doesn't the dealership's transmission tech is going to be on medical leave, and he made it sound like the other guys might be able to do it but he also threw out the possibility of having my Jeep sent to another dealership. I'm mainly here venting but anyone have any advice?

Dave
KC, MO

Don't know why they would have problems getting a pump. My dealer had to special order the pump kit last Monday and it arrived over the weekend. Was able to drop-off my Jeep this morning for the recall work. The only delay is their transmission tech is working a couple of open jobs already but they anticipate getting it in the schedule and done by Wednesday. The SM didn't want to start into mine until they cleared some space as this job could turn ugly and very time consuming once it's started. We both got a good laugh out of the 5.5 hrs time estimate on the recall doc's.

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2005 Liberty Sport CRD, Lt Khaki, sunroof

Thankful to now be an EX-CRD owner.

my mechanic ordered the pump and the TC kit, he asked me if I was in a rush because he had another CRD also in for the recall, I told him to do the other first, practice is a good thing....

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2005 Liberty CRD Limited
Light Khaki

It is still shuddering as bad as ever. Those that feel this might be a fuel related issue - I never see the RPMs change, not even when the shudder is happening over a few seconds.

I have no idea what to do now....

You are likely on the right track, fuel related, most likely a suction (air) leak. Best to start at the pump end working the lines backwards to the tank. Check all your hose/fitting/filter connections. Any dampness/dirt accumulation can be a sign but a suction leak frequently won't leak fuel outward (it leaks air inward).

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2005 Liberty Sport CRD, Lt Khaki, sunroof

Thankful to now be an EX-CRD owner.

Well just came from the shop and the tech was putting the tranny back in and said that mine was fine and didn't need the pump. I wasn't crazy about the idea of a perfectly good tranny being torn open for no reason. He said that the Flashes done last month when it was in for EGR & EGR FCV replacement is the same one for this job and he wasn't doing the flash unless the computer system kicked it out as not done.

I feel much better that they didn't take the tranny apart, too many things can go wrong when that is done is a dealer shop.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

Mine just recently started the shudder. Mine has a fast shudder when it is under load (accelerating or holding a higher speed). I was hoping it would go away with the recall. I will find out tomorrow, mine won't be done in one day.

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96 XJ
Stock for Now

Sounds like they're replacing the diesel torque curve for something more akin to a gasser. No surprise if the torque converters (both original and replacement) were actually designed for a gas engine - which wouldn't surprise me. The "being cheap" approach would be to try to use parts you already have on the shelve. Sounds like they're gutting the torque where you need it the most. It kind of defeats the purpose (at least one) of having a diesel if this is indeed the case.

I've been hoping that somebody will do before and after dyno runs so we can see what is really going on. Seat of the pants dyno results offered by folks here are interesting and all, but they are too subjective to be of much use.

I got the notice in the mail today. I don't thing I'll be racing down to the dealer to have this done.

This is the first DCX vehicle I've ever bought. I never been a big fan of DCX and for the most part have tried to avoid them. I've just seen too many problems with their stuff. However, I've always had an interest in Jeeps, and this little diesel was enough to push me over the edge and give DCX a try. I got to say I'm a bit disappointed. I don't know for sure - but my gut feeling at the moment suggest that this may be the first and last DCX product I every buy.

Hummmm, the least problematic cars I have ever owned have been '83 MB 240D, '87 Jeep, and now my '05 Dodge Magnum Sport Wagon, most problematic was toss up between my '90 Nissan PU and '00 Toyota Echo.

Wish I still had the old MB or the '87 Jeep.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

Did the tech offer any insight into whether the new pump was better, or just different? If you have the current software already, the only difference you would see would be from the torque converter change. Should make for a good apples to apples comparison of the two TCs.

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Matt B.

05 Limited CRD. Bought it new. 112k on the clock now.

GDE Eco-tune, rear differential drain plug (drilled and tapped the pumpkin), transmission pan drain plug, Fumoto oil valve, fuel filler neck restriction removed, front hitch, Hayden fan clutch, Sears P1 battery since 08, Mobil 1 5w40, 5 volt glow plugs, DIY timing belt at 109k

There was no difference visiable that I saw, but then what can one see of a TC just looking at them on a bench.

Tech said the instruction said add 1 1/4 fluid for the change out, but he said he did the that and drove to get it hot and it took about 3 quarts to get it to the full line. He commented that any TC this size would or should hold at least 3 qt of fluid. I will check it tomorrow when the wife gets home with it and make sure it is correct.

They are apparently only replacing the pump if there is a code or rattle sound in tranny, I had neither. Also we knew that having always had the proper amount of fluid in the tranny and correct filters installed, the pump and most likely the TC were in fine shape. But by the recall he had to replace TC and ended up not having to do the flash, because it was done when the EGR & EGR FCV was replaced last month.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

My dealer is hoping for the same thing. Was told that last month's computer work (F31) should be the latest software, thus I have been driving the past month with the torque reduction in place.

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2005 Liberty Sport CRD, Lt Khaki, sunroof

Thankful to now be an EX-CRD owner.

Best of luck to you! By the way - what prompted the dealer to replace everything the first time for you (earlier this year I think you mentioned earlier)? The F37 repair seemed to resolve the issue for 1-2 days, then it came back. Seems the new TC only lowered the o/d lockup speed to 50 mph.

Well, my shuddering POS is in the shop to have this "recall" done tomorrow. Hubby used to be a GM mechanic and has told those people three times that the TC is failing....they kept telling him he did not know what he was talking about. Ours also had a "slow-lagging"shift into OD. Took it in and they said all was well. Jeep has been in shop 8 times with me saying either it is not shifting right, studdering, or loss of mpg. IT IS STILL NOT FIXED. If this does not fix the problems I have, I have no choice but to contact a lawyer. I love my CRD, but I hate a problematic CRD. BTW: mileage is 42,500

I had taken mine in for the acceleration shudder at around 55 mph. They were just going to do the filter TSB, but called me and said that they found some other problems and replaced the TC & trans cooler. They may have replaced the pump, but I can't remember. Since then it has run great until this recent shudder.

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96 XJ
Stock for Now

got the letter in the mail today. I guess now I HAVE to go get it done. I just got a new TC 3000 miles ago. I think this means that I am already driving with reduced torque, since they did all the latest updates a month ago. Also, I m trying to decide whether or not its a good idea to get all this done or not. I have a shudder, but only after WOT, which doesnt bother me much since I hardly ever floor it. Could be much worse according to some other people on here.

We need to start making a new topic or something and collect experiences and reports from people who had this done already. Did anyone ever find out if the really reduce torque and hp, and how much?

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2005 CRD Sport
Mods: Glasspack, OME HD Struts & Springs, 2" Daystar lift,
255/70/16 General Grabber AT2's on MOAB's
ORM&EHM with great success!
TJM T17 Bumper, 50W KC HID's

Unbelieveable. Mine has been in since last Thursday morning with nothing even started until (supposedly) Monday. The did deliver a loaner car to my house after much argument - didn't realize I needed to specify a non-smoking car. The A-Hole that delivered it just finished his big-a cigarette when he got out of it - the "Loaner" is off their used lot and it's a real POS.

No calls, no updates, just a nightmare of dealership abuse that seems intentional with no one at the entire dealership to go to about it. This is what happens when you start out real nice with a dealership - they take advantage.

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

I also want to add that in previous posts, comments were made reguarding fuel quality and the "studdering". We purchase fuel from where my husband works and almost buy every Diesel Kleen bottle off the shelf. AND IT STILL STUDDERS! And my dealer "does not provide loaners" so their sign says in the dealership. I will be making a call first thing because my jeep was dropped off yesterday morning and they supposedly aren't gonna start on it till today. The "CRD Cert. Tech" make ssure to take his time so there is no telling how long it will take. They did one time when I had a leaking rear seal get me a car from Enterprise down the road. I think when I call them I will ask if they still have there number.When I called to make the appt. they said there was no other recall other than the LBJ. I asked them if they thought I was making things up and they said no.
They know not to mess with me. They would rather Mike go in than me. They think some sweet little chick is gonna go in to get her Jeep fixed and they can screw me over, well they got another thing coming to em!!!!

Yup and then when he did the checks per the recall with no noise or Codes he just replaced the T/C to my relief. Heck he didn't have to do th flash because I had it already when EGR & FCV was replaced and flashed then by that tech. The big deal is they did the LBJ's while it was in, mine were not in to bad shape. You could just barely feel any movement in the joint, but the lady that was suppose to be in for the BJ's didn't come in or call back after notification so we got her set of LBJ's installed.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

My 06 went in today. I will let you know how different if any. Lets keep our fingers crossed it works.