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To those of us 06 owners that have not been put on the list does anyone know why? I went to the dealer and had them print out a "build sheet" to determine if I had a sales code DGQ transmission that's listed on the F37. And I do so that's not the reason. On a side note I had previously mentioned the stutter/shudder was gone with power service and fuel labled ULSD but today is a stutter/shudder day and I had it at 53 and 70 mph several times so it does not seem to be fuel :( The production date on mine is January 19, 06. Could it indeed be a misprint and be November 05 and not all 11,200 :?:

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On the web site I am not listed as well. WHY?

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Joe Romas wrote:
Could it indeed be a misprint and be November 05 and not all 11,200 :?:


It is hard to dismiss two errors though, both quantity and date. However, I have always kept in the back of my head that the approximatly 11,000 number was for vehicles produced by the end of 2005 and that maybe there are 15,000 or more total U.S. spec. In that case, I could see just the cut-off date information being in error with the 11,200 produced up to that point in late 2005 as accurate.

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I recieved my notce and mine went in today. I never have had any issues and had all upgrades performed at low mileage. The only shutter I have is now, wondering if I should have left well alone.


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Got a call today from the service dept where I bought my '05 in regard to the f37 recall. He said that jeep would not allow them to order the torque converter until an appt. was set for the recall. They are not allowed to order the pump until AFTER the tear down. He said jeep told them that only a very small percentage of the cars actually needed a new pump and that was to be determined by the finding of metal shavings, etc. The CRD they did yesterday (less miles than mine) did not need the pump.

I have extended warranty so they will give me rental under waranty and if it goes longer than 5 days while waiting for pump, they will contact regional rep about extending as it is being fixed under recall.

I set appt. for next week as he said it took 5 work days to get tc for one fixed yesterday.


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I made my appointment today, and it goes in tomorrow at 9AM. :)

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Joe Romas wrote:
To those of us 06 owners that have not been put on the list does anyone know why? I went to the dealer and had them print out a "build sheet" to determine if I had a sales code DGQ transmission that's listed on the F37. And I do so that's not the reason. On a side note I had previously mentioned the stutter/shudder was gone with power service and fuel labled ULSD but today is a stutter/shudder day and I had it at 53 and 70 mph several times so it does not seem to be fuel :( The production date on mine is January 19, 06. Could it indeed be a misprint and be November 05 and not all 11,200 :?:


My build date is 5/16/2006 Dealer has ordered a new TC for me and said I don't have to bring it in utill they get the TC. No questions asked.

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My build date is 5/16/2006 Dealer has ordered a new TC for me and said I don't have to bring it in utill they get the TC. No questions asked.[/quote]

Did you get notified ??? or did you just call?

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My build date is 5/16/2006 Dealer has ordered a new TC for me and said I don't have to bring it in utill they get the TC. No questions asked. Did you get notified ??? or did you just call?


Sorry because I have not seen your previous posts, but have you checked on the Jeep.com website to see if your vehicle qualifies? If not, go to www.jeep.com, look up in the middle area and select "Owner Services" which will lead to another page. Almost in the middle there is another list, one which says "Recalls". I think you need to type in your last 7-8 letters/numbers of VIN, and it should come up.

Just trying to help...I never received a letter for the ball joint recall or the F37....


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Yesterday my dealer did the recall and here is what the final invoice said:
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RECALL F37
REPLACED TORQUE CONVERTOR AND FLASHED PCM AND TCM

QTY       FP NUMBER       DESCRIPTION
1         CECAF370         CONVERTER NO 210460
1         4669020           LABEL AUTHOR 140861
1         4275086-AB       LABEL GENERA 140861
4         5013457-AA       FLUID AUTOMAT 108101
2         5013457-AA       FLUID AUTOMAT 108101

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Yes I have and I am not listed, thats why I reasked BGAME how he found out, since his build date is 5/16/2006 and mine is 5/20/2006 4 days newer..

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kb61751 wrote:
My build date is 5/16/2006 Dealer has ordered a new TC for me and said I don't have to bring it in utill they get the TC. No questions asked.


Did you get notified ??? or did you just call?[/quote]

Just called.

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6 Full Days at the dealership and it's finally done. And they did not even have to reprogram the ECM or the TCM because the 18-023-06 took care of that a few months ago. They also did not install the Pump. How in the heck does it take this long for only half a recall?

The only satisifaction I'm getting out of this customer satisifaction notification is that my Jeep drives exactly the same as before I took it in (keep in mind, I already had the changed shift points and power reduction reflash).

It drove so well that I spent an hour under the Jeep last night just looking for evidence that they did anything. I found minor damage to the insulation above and behind the transfer case, a partially broken plastic retainer ring that holds the transfer case shift cable into a metal bracket, greasy finger prints, both drive shafts marked with red paint stripes for alignment upon reinstall, and a pretty scratched up oil filter where the transmission tapped it a few times during the uninstall/reinstall process. All in all, good evidence to convince myself that something was done.

It's definitely not a new Jeep anymore after all that, but it still runs good. :|

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One nice thig about being retired is being able to be there with the vehicle, plus having been a SM at dealership before I can relate to the problems from both sides.

Having talked with several techs, a couple of engineer's and all tell me the total torque or hp is not reduced for this recall, just that the power is throttled back for a split second while shifting and that this can be done without even being noticable if done proper without a drastic power cut back. Same deal with sudden full throttle at takeoff, the ECM will not allow a foot to the floor full throttle. There are several reasons for not doingh this, EPA and pollution constraints about exhuast, and the ability of the diesel to add sudden massive amount of torque faster then the tranny could handle. Take that into consideration with any new diesel currently on the market. They all have the problem MB, VW, VM, some models even handle the problem better then others by same maker.

I am sure I am going to make some here mad when I say this but, a lot of you guys have created your own problem, some of the problems were strictly the dealer, and others a como of both, all this built on a mistake by D/C and a supplier. Most here are first time diesel owners and have no idea how to take proper care of a diesel, such as finding a good source of fuel, how just minor changes in driving patterns can effect mpg's. What I am trying to say is this vehicle is a far better vehicle then some here seems to think. However if you take a vehicle in for service and the tech doesn't know the proper way to check the tranny fluid and fails to proper fill the tranny then you have more problems with tranny it seems most that it is the vehicle fault instead of DA tech.

Most of the problems that we as CRD owners will ever have from this vehicle is a direct result of the bean counters, however that is why we only have to pay $26,000 for example instead of $36,000 for the Liberty or any vehicle for that matter. You want a velicle where the bean counters have little imput buy a $100,000.00+ vehicle and see if your are a little happier with the quality and reliability.

Ok, ok, I will step of th soap-box. Try not to get nasty and start name calling if you don't agree with me. personally I can care less what someone callls me, as long as they don't call me late for lunch. :wink:

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oldnavy wrote:
personally I can care less what someone callls me, as long as they don't call me late for lunch. :wink:


Hey dog-gone it! It's 1/16" thick steel!!! (or 2/16, or 3/16..?!?!.) :P :P :P

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I am sure I am going to make some here mad when I say this but, a lot of you guys have created your own problem, some of the problems were strictly the dealer, and others a como of both, all this built on a mistake by D/C and a supplier. Most here are first time diesel owners and have no idea how to take proper care of a diesel, such as finding a good source of fuel, how just minor changes in driving patterns can effect mpg's. What I am trying to say is this vehicle is a far better vehicle then some here seems to think. However if you take a vehicle in for service and the tech doesn't know the proper way to check the tranny fluid and fails to proper fill the tranny then you have more problems with tranny it seems most that it is the vehicle fault instead of DA tech.


Brilliant! It's our fault. I drove about 3 million miles in commercial diesels and have had a personal diesel since 1992. That's 4 Fords, 1 Chevy, and 2 Dodges, a TDI and the CRD. I do my own basic service. What exactly would knowing "how to take proper care of a diesel" have to do with a cheap, non-engineered, malfunctioning auto transmission? You mean that the engineers at DC are so ignorant that they didn't know the puny little engine had torque? You mean that the German oversight is so poor that some bit of that diesel knowledge couldn't get across the Atlantic? Note, I haven't mentioned the EGR/CCV failures that I suppose are the purchasers "fault" also.

Point is, DC is a moribund corp and it is not due to their superior German engineering. Dr. Z is the best they have. They can't even get their flagship Mercedes out of the 20s on initial quality in order to displace the American junk Cadillac that always vies with Lexus for #1.

DC buys great diesel engines from other manufacturers, then mates them with their own cruddy auto transmissions. They buy manual transmissions from other folk, that is why the manuals work.

However, I am glad to learn that the endless TSBs and Recalls are my fault. I am truly surprised that DC is so willing to clean up MY mess for me.

I am SOOOO mad at myself for screwing up this Jeep that I have promised DC that I'll never buy another. Get them off the hook, so to speak. In fact, I'm so mad I think I'll go throw water on the cruddy seats and spot them up real good!

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One nice thig about being retired is being able to be there with the vehicle, plus having been a SM at dealership before I can relate to the problems from both sides.

Having talked with several techs, a couple of engineer's and all tell me the total torque or hp is not reduced for this recall, just that the power is throttled back for a split second while shifting and that this can be done without even being noticable if done proper without a drastic power cut back. Same deal with sudden full throttle at takeoff, the ECM will not allow a foot to the floor full throttle. There are several reasons for not doingh this, EPA and pollution constraints about exhuast, and the ability of the diesel to add sudden massive amount of torque faster then the tranny could handle. Take that into consideration with any new diesel currently on the market. They all have the problem MB, VW, VM, some models even handle the problem better then others by same maker.

I am sure I am going to make some here mad when I say this but, a lot of you guys have created your own problem, some of the problems were strictly the dealer, and others a como of both, all this built on a mistake by D/C and a supplier. Most here are first time diesel owners and have no idea how to take proper care of a diesel, such as finding a good source of fuel, how just minor changes in driving patterns can effect mpg's. What I am trying to say is this vehicle is a far better vehicle then some here seems to think. However if you take a vehicle in for service and the tech doesn't know the proper way to check the tranny fluid and fails to proper fill the tranny then you have more problems with tranny it seems most that it is the vehicle fault instead of DA tech.



Heck, I am not mad at anything you mention above, and I fall into the first time diesel owner category (although I am a mechanical engineer - certainly not an expert, but it helps). I just find it hard to swallow so many issues with a new vehicle and the lack of support from the dealership in resolving those issues. So far, I've had every TSB/Recall performed for the transmission, my CD changer has broken twice, I've had the issue with the temperature gauge - which still doesn't work properly, and to top it all off, my leather seats have just started to crack. DC will not comment on whether they will cover this or not. I certainly have not had the experince of different vehicles as yourself, but I have owned 5 new vehicles including this Jeep, and have never experienced anything like this.

Certainly I think the level of customer satisfaction is dependent on the service department, and I have been lucky enough to find one with decent customer service. But in all fairness to them, what are they supposed to do when a customer calls with the same issue after a recall procedure has been performed??

I wondered if this studdering issue was the result of bad fuel - so I tried using Power Service on a couple tanks over the summer coupled with/without Biodiesel - and it did not affect the studdering issue. Regarding fuel mileage - I was extremely happy with my initial mileage - I used to average 27-29mpg, and now I am lucky to break 20, even with most of those miles on the highway. Granted some of that loss is due to driving in high altitude conditions, but if I am not mistaken several people have reported excellent fuel mileage living in Colorado. I still drive the same, I still strive to hit the "sweet spot" at 60-62 mph at 1800 rpm with no impact. I also find it strange the winter blend has not changed the overall fuel mileage either. Last winter, I noticed a 3-5mpg drop and that was acceptable given the change in fuel.

Ok, ok, I'll get off my soap box too!! :) Just frustrated with a vehicle that is so close to being great, but misses it........


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oldnavy wrote:
I am sure I am going to make some here mad when I say this but, a lot of you guys have created your own problem, some of the problems were strictly the dealer, and others a como of both, all this built on a mistake by D/C and a supplier. Most here are first time diesel owners and have no idea how to take proper care of a diesel, such as finding a good source of fuel, how just minor changes in driving patterns can effect mpg's. What I am trying to say is this vehicle is a far better vehicle then some here seems to think. However if you take a vehicle in for service and the tech doesn't know the proper way to check the tranny fluid and fails to proper fill the tranny then you have more problems with tranny it seems most that it is the vehicle fault instead of DA tech.


Brilliant! It's our fault. I drove about 3 million miles in commercial diesels and have had a personal diesel since 1992. That's 4 Fords, 1 Chevy, and 2 Dodges, a TDI and the CRD. I do my own basic service. What exactly would knowing "how to take proper care of a diesel" have to do with a cheap, non-engineered, malfunctioning auto transmission? You mean that the engineers at DC are so ignorant that they didn't know the puny little engine had torque? You mean that the German oversight is so poor that some bit of that diesel knowledge couldn't get across the Atlantic? Note, I haven't mentioned the EGR/CCV failures that I suppose are the purchasers "fault" also.

Point is, DC is a moribund corp and it is not due to their superior German engineering. Dr. Z is the best they have. They can't even get their flagship Mercedes out of the 20s on initial quality in order to displace the American junk Cadillac that always vies with Lexus for #1.

DC buys great diesel engines from other manufacturers, then mates them with their own cruddy auto transmissions. They buy manual transmissions from other folk, that is why the manuals work.

However, I am glad to learn that the endless TSBs and Recalls are my fault. I am truly surprised that DC is so willing to clean up MY mess for me.

I am SOOOO mad at myself for screwing up this Jeep that I have promised DC that I'll never buy another. Get them off the hook, so to speak. In fact, I'm so mad I think I'll go throw water on the cruddy seats and spot them up real good!


Amen! I couldnt agree more.

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Maybe you should have said something like, "It's your own fault for buying crappy fuel, and if you dont know how to read a dipstick you shouldnt be driving!" :roll: :lol:

Seriously folks, dont trust anyone to make sure your fluids are correct for you, and dont trust just any place to buy fuel. Exercise control over the things you have control of and if something goes wrong you can pretty much know it is not your fault.

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[quote/]Just frustrated with a vehicle that is so close to being great, but misses it........[/quote]

Exactly!!!

So much for a 5 hour job. Mine has been in since Monday and they didn't even have to wait for parts. We will see if I get it back today.

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