As I said before, that's the one thing that has me running scared on this recall - a service tech inexperienced in tranny work slapping that beast back together wrong and lunching the whole works.

One thing I've strongly considered - asking the dealer and DC if they would just supply the parts and let my local tranny shop do the wrenching (I'd even pick up the labor), then take it by the dealer for any applicable reflash. At least I'd have a warm fuzzy that it was done RIGHT!

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Mitchell Oates
'87 MB 300D Diamond Blue Metallic
'87 MB 300D - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Sport CRD Stone White
Provent CCV Filter/AT2525 Muffler
Stanadyne 30 u/Cat 2 u Fuel Filters
Fumoto Drain/Fleetguard LF3487 Oil filter
V6 Airbox/Amsoil EAA Air Filter
Suncoast TC/Shift Kit/Aux Cooler
Kennedy Lift Pump/Return Fuel Cooler

I hope they arent just going to jump on the buyback. If they start jumping on a bunch of buybacks it would make me think they are done with our CRD's and there is little hope for some real solutions. Tell them you want the darn thing fixed!

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It may be that your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

06 CRD Sport
Built 5/11/06
Jeep Green
Rocklizard diff cover
V6 Airbox

Mine is still seeping tranny fluid after checking today at lunch time. Maybe it will dry up. My fear is they may have ruined my perfectly operating CRD with this F37. I stayed on top of all the TSBs. Filter TSB at 8k miles after fightng with the dealer for 4k+ miles to get it done. Also the first reflash (21-009-06?) at about 9k miles (after major fighting to get it done) and again had the most recent reflash, 18-023-06 at 14k miles with even more fighting to get that done. Each time an appointment was made and the vehicle was never worked on until the 2nd or 3rd day after drop off. BUT, my Jeep still ran PERFECT and looked as good too!

Now this F37 - 6 days in the shop and they didn't even start on it until the 5th or 6th day. I scheduled with the SA on December 1st and asked if they had the part or needed to order it - he paused, checked his computer(supposedly) and said "yes, parts are in stock" but a week later he denied ever saying that as there were no parts to be found.

They refused to remove my skid plates without charge(even though the F37 calls for it) so I had to do it myself (with bad back) to pre-prep for my scheduled appointment - FOR THE THIRD TIME THIS YEAR! Those stupid nut-zerts do wear out and with the amount of skid plate on and off I've had to do myself - one already broke and several more are close to it. The dealership should be replacing those for me as well.

After 2 days, they agreed to give me a rental car (Friday night) but it had to be back my Monday morning - nice.... We agreed to a loaner car (non-smoking) to be delivered to my house Monday morning. It showed up and the a-hole that delivered it got out of the car smoking a cigarette, gave me a sh*t look, and flicked his cigarette into the street - making it useless for my wife to drive with her compromised immune system. I drove the smoke bomb to work and back once.

Now, careful inspection reveals some wire connectors damaged, the x-fer case shift cable retaining ring damaged, oil filter damaged, insulation damaged, and a possible transmission leak (maybe it will dry up). Oh yeah, the transmission cross member was slightly off from before so the skid plate holes did not line up perfect so I spent another 3 hours of my time fixing that last night.

Thanks for the great customer service WESTGATE CJD, PLAINFIELD, IN !!!



I guarante about 50% of people in this recall will have similiar experiences, if not more. Jeep builds really cool vehicles that people want to purchase, but the servicing side of Jeep is structurally flawed to the core and needs major revamping.

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

My first choice would be to get them to fix it right. Here's my dilemna. If they replace it with an 06 (mines an 05) I am stuck with a 3/36 warranty. Right now I am 25K into a 7/70 warranty. Warranty wise I am better of keeping mine. Plus there is no gaurranty that a new one (if they can find one) will be any better than what I have.

Personally, I think DC screwed themselves with this recall. I'd be willing to bet more than half of Jeep dealers dont have a tech qualified enough to mess around taking trannies apart. One way or another they will be replacing trannies. Cripes, they overfilled my tranny with at least a quart more fluid than it needed. Not to mention they changed my engine oil and sent it back a quart low! Incompetence at these dealers is beyond compare. I rather have one of the L.O.S.T. members work in my Jeep than the dealer.

Per DCX internal documentation here is what "they should" be communicating and doing with regard to parts and transportation

Alternate Transportation
Dealers should attempt to minimize customer inconvenience by placing the owner in a loaner vehicle if the vehicle must be held overnight.

Parts Information
Torque Converter Part Number DescriptionCECAF370 Torque Converter Each dealer, to whom vehicles in the notification were assigned, will receive enough torque converter packages service about 20% of those vehicles.

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2005 Black CRD Limited w/105,000 miles
Mann Provent 200, Airbox Mod, ORM Mod
New 545RFE, TC & Redesigned pump @ 25,020 miles
New EGR Flow Control Valve @ 25,020 miles
New Transfer Case input/output seals @ 32,787 miles
SEGR Kit @ 52,000 miles
SunCoast TC and Transgo Shift Kit @ 52,000 miles

Well I picked up my CRD last night. Stopped at a traffic light and I could here rumbling. It sounded like a pipe rattle. I took it back and sure enough the exhaust pipe was hitting, it shifted while they were taking out the tranny. Fixed that but honestly I cannot see any difference either with power and I still have a slight shudder at 55. I personally think that the last recall I did for the reflash lowered the power of the CRD because I cannot see any difference in power or shift points. Slightly smoother shifting only. Question how do you check the tranny fluid, in park or in drive with engine running. Park or Drive?

Check it in park. If you try to check it in drive you will have to run along as you try to put the dip stick back

If you check it in reverse then it won't run you butt over and DC will still have to address this situation.

just a little humor given the lousy responce from DC


Bryan....i'm up next, goes in next week

haha I got my notice in the mail a couple of days ago, but Im surely in no hurry with this. FIRST, I am reading what everyone else says so I am prepaired when I go to the dealer, as always.
Last time when I got my TC replaced I had all TSB's with me and everyone at the dealer kept asking where I got the TSB's from and why brought 'em. "Sir, we have those here on our computers" . Yeah no *sh it*, really?

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2005 CRD Sport
Mods: Glasspack, OME HD Struts & Springs, 2" Daystar lift,
255/70/16 General Grabber AT2's on MOAB's
ORM&EHM with great success!
TJM T17 Bumper, 50W KC HID's

I also called DC but was told my Jeep does not qualify for buyback. Does anyone know what "buyback" actually means? I am done dealing with the poor quality/service and want to know - does that program reimburse you for the payments you've made to date? I certainly don't want another DC product after this, I just want out.

I'm at the point of looking into legal action, lemon law, or something - I have no idea what to do with a vehicle that has the same issue after a warranty recall fails to resolve the issue it was designed for.

macd - do you think it was the tranny failure that ultimately qualified you for a buyback option? What other issues have you had?

Oh yes, and if anyone would like to buy a perfect condition fully loaded black 2005 Limited CRD with nav system, please let me know!

Good point.



So, why are not the filters a part of this recall? Wouldn't a number of CRD's still have those incorrect filters installed? What good is it to fix the symptom but not the cause?



WOW! What a nightmare...

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2006 Jeep Liberty Limited CRD w/275000 miles

Just got my Jeep back! I haven't driven it yet.. mom picked it up this morning. Test drive in a few...

On the writeup, it does state that this is a RECALL, and it was replaced with part # CECAF370.

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Me - '17 KL Trailhawk 4x4, Rhino, P245/65R17 Destination A/Ts, Stock Skids, waiting for mods...
Sis - '18 Cherokee Trailhawk 4x4 - Black - Dents - Scratches - STOCK

My last question I meant to say Park or Neutral and not drive. Anyway I checked my fluids and the tranny was full.

Test Drive Results:

Seems more rev-happy now. I must say... I like it. Turbo-Lag has been minimized.

Transmission shifts "different".

But the best news of all is... I went on a small city MPG run.

I've NEVER seen my EVIC tell me that I'm getting 24MPG city. Needless to say, I was really light on the pedal for this, but the point is that it happened, right?

EDIT: Just noticed they dropped the pan. Anyone want to explain why?

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Me - '17 KL Trailhawk 4x4, Rhino, P245/65R17 Destination A/Ts, Stock Skids, waiting for mods...
Sis - '18 Cherokee Trailhawk 4x4 - Black - Dents - Scratches - STOCK

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

BioJeep makes a very good point three or four posts up. If the filters are the root cause, that should be the first thing changed in the F37 recall. I know my filters are correct, because I ordered them using the part numbers from the TSB and put them in myself. The part number changed slightly on the return line filter to differentiate the old from the new. At least that was handled right. I had the shudder one time prior to changing the filters and never since, but I don't think the shudder was caused by the tranny. I think it was air in the fuel system because I also purged a bunch of air out of the fuel filter at a later date. The shudder reminded me very much of the governor on an old mechanical injection pump cutting fuel.

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Matt B.

05 Limited CRD. Bought it new. 112k on the clock now.

GDE Eco-tune, rear differential drain plug (drilled and tapped the pumpkin), transmission pan drain plug, Fumoto oil valve, fuel filler neck restriction removed, front hitch, Hayden fan clutch, Sears P1 battery since 08, Mobil 1 5w40, 5 volt glow plugs, DIY timing belt at 109k

Question, if the tranny pump was not changed and they find out they need to be changed, do they have to take the tranny out again or just drop the pan? How about the filters?

To change the pump you would have to pull the tranny. To change the filters, just the pan.

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Matt B.

05 Limited CRD. Bought it new. 112k on the clock now.

GDE Eco-tune, rear differential drain plug (drilled and tapped the pumpkin), transmission pan drain plug, Fumoto oil valve, fuel filler neck restriction removed, front hitch, Hayden fan clutch, Sears P1 battery since 08, Mobil 1 5w40, 5 volt glow plugs, DIY timing belt at 109k

Thanks, I wasn't sure why they wouldn't change the pump when they had the chance.

The reason why they are offering me a buy back is because they have no choice. According to WI lemon law a vehicle is a lemon if its been in for repairs for 30 days or more (doesnt have to be consecutive) and at least 4 times for the same issue. I have well exceeded both criteria. I've had it because it burns a quart of oil every 2 thousand miles more than I can count. They cant find the problem. I've had the turbo replaced, 2 EGR valves, bad rear brakes, shuddering, delayed shifting and more. I'll bet I've had over $10,000 in repairs already.

But the biggest key to getting buy back without hassle, was my dealer. My dealer is 100% behind me and told Chryser my Jeep is a POS. If you dont have the dealer in your court it could be difficult. Everytime I bring it in, my service manager faxes a report to Chrysler.