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On the re-built thing I wouldn't get to worked up on that unless I knew the whole story. In most manufacturing processes today any complicated component gets a final test before going out the door. If the component fails it gets tossed to the side rather than shipping and then at somepoint goes through a remanufacture process to fix what failed the final test. It is not like the component has 100K miles on it and was reclaimed and remanufactured. My first guess is the kind of remanufacturing we would be seeing here would be more like the first case rather than the latter.


I tend to agree. Refubished parts are for all intents and puposes as sericeble as new. There really isn't much in a TC to go bad except the clutch. The liabilty is to great to put in a knowingly defective part.

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On the re-built thing I wouldn't get to worked up on that unless I knew the whole story. In most manufacturing processes today any complicated component gets a final test before going out the door. If the component fails it gets tossed to the side rather than shipping and then at somepoint goes through a remanufacture process to fix what failed the final test. It is not like the component has 100K miles on it and was reclaimed and remanufactured. My first guess is the kind of remanufacturing we would be seeing here would be more like the first case rather than the latter.


I tend to agree. Refubished parts are for all intents and puposes as sericeble as new. There really isn't much in a TC to go bad except the clutch. The liabilty is to great to put in a knowingly defective part.


I agree, if it meets specs, fine. But they really should have cleaned it up and taking any markings off of it. You just dont send a part out the door that says BAD right on it. I suppose it could be a big story by the dealer to make an excuse for how long it took them.

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 Post subject: Re: Build sheet INFO
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I just got my build sheet emailed to me, thought it strange for them to list the Torque converter seperately...

DGQ - 5-Spd Automatic 545RFE Transmission
DHAP - Lock-Up Torque Converter

Build date was 5-11-06

Does everyones have this same code?


My build sheet also shows a DHAP tc and two transmissions
DGES " all 5 speed automatic transmission and
DGQ 5 spd automatic 545rfe transmission
Build days is January 25, 2006
I have had a shudder since mile one and did not get the F37 recall.

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 Post subject: Four days to satisfaction recall & other ramblings
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Post #1 - Wanted the CRD since I read about them in 04. Almost waited too long but did find one in November 06 (one month ago). Noted that my build date was 10/05 (how lucky) and with only 1500 miles on the clock I endured the LBJ today and am pretty happy about the results. Local dealer (not the one I purchased the CRD from - I had to drive 130 miles into strange lands to find her...but I digress) said to be back on 12/27 to have the infamous F37 - I asked "Do I need it...this vehicle is still breaking in and has no noise"? Yes, we need to do it. Question to anyone who cares: Would you have it done with only 1500 miles on a new CRD?

Subject #1:Wife drives a 95 diesel MB (non-turbo 3L I6) that gets about 27 mpg in the city and 34 on the road. I am still learning the "feel" of the CRD's engine and my mpg has gone "up" to nearly 19 mpg which really is perplexing. I'm not a jackrabbit driver but this is only slightly better than my 1997 4L I6 GC (15 - 16 in town). What's the problem here? Until this week, I had been believing the Jeep's onboard trip computer and it, as it turned out, was reading low by 1 mpg. I have verified this on multiple fillups - so now I just add 1 + 19 to get the 20 mpg I felt I should be getting all along. This has helped my mood considerably. Anyone with insights to the mpg of the CRD, please give me some. I remember Oldnavy indicating the F37 should improve the mpg. Did your mpg improve over time as the 2.8L "worked in"??

Lastly, after reading nearly every post on the recalls (technically the F37 is not a recall I gather), I am not sure what I'll get when I leave the dealer and what to expect from what I do get. I am sold on diesel and I suppose 2-3 years from now there will be a lot more to choose from - so if I'm not happy with my CRD Liberty and DC's handling of the recalls, I can drive for a while and then move to another diesel-powered machine with another company. Well, I'll post anything I find out or learn when my Liberty leaves the "recovery room".


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Mpg sounds normal. It will improve a little when it is broken in.

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MPG sounds a little low, think you will see some improvement. You will see CRD drivers range from 15 to 25 around town and 20 to 32 on the highway. With any vehicle there is alot of variation, driving style, fuel quality, environment, elevation etc.

I get about 20-22 around town (DC metro area) and up to 32 on the highway after only 6800 miles on the clock running the cheapest fuel (but they highest volume seller by far) in town, manual calculations (I dont have EVIC). 3-4 MPG is alot of improvement in the automotive world.

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 Post subject: Re: Four days to satisfaction recall & other ramblings
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Subject #1:Wife drives a 95 diesel MB (non-turbo 3L I6) that gets about 27 mpg in the city and 34 on the road. I am still learning the "feel" of the CRD's engine and my mpg has gone "up" to nearly 19 mpg which really is perplexing. I'm not a jackrabbit driver but this is only slightly better than my 1997 4L I6 GC (15 - 16 in town). What's the problem here? Until this week, I had been believing the Jeep's onboard trip computer and it, as it turned out, was reading low by 1 mpg. I have verified this on multiple fillups - so now I just add 1 + 19 to get the 20 mpg I felt I should be getting all along. This has helped my mood considerably. Anyone with insights to the mpg of the CRD, please give me some. I remember Oldnavy indicating the F37 should improve the mpg. Did your mpg improve over time as the 2.8L "worked in"??
There are possible differences in gearing, but thatis still about 20% to 25% better fuel ecomony then the old GC and is what is advertised by D/C, so stop and give that some thought. Your diesel fuel is probably only about 10% more expensive then gas so you are still making out with a good savings. Also your MPG's will vary greatly with the cetane level of your fuel. I am running 50 cetane fuel and average 20 to 22 mpg in town, 30 to 32 mpg highway and 24 to 26 mpg combined, but I have had that drop 18 city once when I bought some regular diesel BP here local near the house, it also smoked much more and had noticable drop in power.

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had the f37 finished, the vehicle shifts just as before. I noticed it revs a little higher before it shifts but the fuel mileage is the same.

I've had the vehicle back for a week and a half, I checked the transmission fluid before i left the lot and everything looked good. I noticed the vehicle was shifting hard when when we were driving to the family christmas party and i checked the tranny fluid and its empty! :O just any fyi for everyone else, check for leaks. I guess i'm going back to the dealership :|


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had the f37 finished, the vehicle shifts just as before. I noticed it revs a little higher before it shifts but the fuel mileage is the same.

I've had the vehicle back for a week and a half, I checked the transmission fluid before i left the lot and everything looked good. I noticed the vehicle was shifting hard when when we were driving to the family christmas party and i checked the tranny fluid and its empty! :O just any fyi for everyone else, check for leaks. I guess i'm going back to the dealership :|
Another case of the tec following instructions and not doing a proper follow-up check. Your are probably just 2 quarts low unless they dropped the pan and replaced the pump, in that case you are about 5 qts low. :roll: Stupid people are all over the place. :evil:

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had the f37 finished, the vehicle shifts just as before. I noticed it revs a little higher before it shifts but the fuel mileage is the same.

I've had the vehicle back for a week and a half, I checked the transmission fluid before i left the lot and everything looked good. I noticed the vehicle was shifting hard when when we were driving to the family christmas party and i checked the tranny fluid and its empty! :O just any fyi for everyone else, check for leaks. I guess i'm going back to the dealership :|
Another case of the tec following instructions and not doing a proper follow-up check. Your are probably just 2 quarts low unless they dropped the pan and replaced the pump, in that case you are about 5 qts low. :roll: Stupid people are all over the place. :evil:


They did replace the pump, i usually park the car on gravel so i never notice any leaks. I put some cardboard underneath it overnight and filled up the tranny with fluid. I have a nice large spot of transmission fluid on the cardboard this morning, and the undercarriage from the tranny back to the muffler is covered with transmission fluid. I love my Jeep but I'm not sure I can take any more of the service people


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had the f37 finished, the vehicle shifts just as before. I noticed it revs a little higher before it shifts but the fuel mileage is the same.

I've had the vehicle back for a week and a half, I checked the transmission fluid before i left the lot and everything looked good. I noticed the vehicle was shifting hard when when we were driving to the family christmas party and i checked the tranny fluid and its empty! :O just any fyi for everyone else, check for leaks. I guess i'm going back to the dealership :|
Another case of the tec following instructions and not doing a proper follow-up check. Your are probably just 2 quarts low unless they dropped the pan and replaced the pump, in that case you are about 5 qts low. :roll: Stupid people are all over the place. :evil:


They did replace the pump, i usually park the car on gravel so i never notice any leaks. I put some cardboard underneath it overnight and filled up the tranny with fluid. I have a nice large spot of transmission fluid on the cardboard this morning, and the undercarriage from the tranny back to the muffler is covered with transmission fluid. I love my Jeep but I'm not sure I can take any more of the service people

What you describe sounds like a pressure leak. When the pump was replaced, the front cover of the transmission was removed and a new style cover installed to mate correctly with the new style pump & seal assembly. You likely have major issues and should avoid driving this until you talk to your dealer.

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I second the above, RFCRD is most likely correct and you should have it towed.

Stupid improper trained tech and poor supervision by SM in the shop. :x :evil:

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The best thing for him now would be a factory fresh, rebuilt or new, complete transmission :!: There's one sure way of geting that :lol:

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I second the above, RFCRD is most likely correct and you should have it towed.

Stupid improper trained tech and poor supervision by SM in the shop. :x :evil:


That is most likely what I'll be doing; however, I refuse to return it to the dealership that did the work. I guess I'll be calling Jeep on Tuesday to see what can be done :(. Thanks for the quick responses, I had planned on driving it back to them


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Mine went into the shop on 12/11 with the TC in inventory. They told me they would start working on it the next moring and have it done that afternoon. WELL...that afternoon, our 3 year old daughter had to be put in the hospital. After they got her checked in, I called the Service manager and he told me that "OOPPPSSS...WE HAD THE WRONG TC...WE HAVE TO ORDER A NEW ONE!!!" Okay, that is fine, but I am in the hospital without a loaner (they do not provide one from the dealership, they use Enterprise), if it is not finished by tomorrow, I will need a loaner because my daughter was supposed to get out the next day. Well, that day rolls around, and it is still not fixed. Enterprise calls me on my cell phone and tells me they will give me a Chevy Malibu :evil: then or I could wait till 5 to get a quad cab truck. I said fine, I will wait till 5, but I have no way there and can't leave Harleigh at the hospital (she had gotten worse and was staying another day and hubby was at work so I was there by myself with no ride at all). They told me that CAN'T BRING ME A RENTAL TO THE HOSPITAL BUT CAN COME AND GET ME AND TAKE ME 2 BLOCKS TO THE OFFICE. I AM BEYOND PISSED!! I tell them nevermind getting it today, hubby will be off the next day and come get the truck.
Hubby goes to check on Jeep and they did get in the new TC and were in the process of installing it (4 days after being dropped off). Finally, that afternoon, I get Jeep, Harleigh gets well enough to go home. I kept telling myself that all is good now.
The next week (last week) I had to stay home so the car never got driven till this past Thursday. I felt it shudder one time but hubby wanted to make sure of it before going up there and bitching about it. He gets in it Saturday and there it starts it BAD!!
Then to top it all off....my dad calls and says he saw on tv that DC has a recall on brakes...came home, checked on it, sees that it does not pertain to my KJ.....then OMG...driving home this morning....the ABS light *DINGS*!! OMG!! They are gonna get a ear full tomorrow at that dealership....
I'll post up on what they say.


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I too have a 2006 CRD. This being my 6th Jeep I can honestly say it WILL be my last with this crap they are pulling now. I bought this CRD to pull my small travel trailer and the way I see it if they are reducing my power then they are certainly reducing my towing capacity. This Jeep has been in the shop 5 times already and it only has 13k miles on it. The worst being when it left my wife stranded with our two kids on the side of the road with 6k miles on it. I bought the vehicle with 295 ft/lbs of torque and that is what I will accept. I've called my dealer and told them I wasn't happy. They agreed with me and said they will make it right. I told them about the Dakota R/T problems ( I had a 2000 R/T with the lower ratings implied at the time of sale) and they did right to the people buy purchasing them back minus miles or buy giving them credit to mopar performance part items. Take a look at what Ford did with the 99 Mustang Cobra. They were not making the advertised HP ratings so they did not build the 2000 Cobra until they corrected the power on the 99's which included exhaust work. DC is trying to get out of this hoping to save some money. If the dealer does not offer to purchase back this vehicle I will be on the phone with my lawyer first thing this Friday AM. Hopefully my 5 star dealer will give me 5 star service. If anyone else in the Richmond, VA area would like to chat about this please msg me and I will let you know how it turns out.

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I second the above, RFCRD is most likely correct and you should have it towed.

Stupid improper trained tech and poor supervision by SM in the shop. :x :evil:


That is most likely what I'll be doing; however, I refuse to return it to the dealership that did the work. I guess I'll be calling Jeep on Tuesday to see what can be done :(. Thanks for the quick responses, I had planned on driving it back to them


Well according to the dealership I have a split transmission line. They are telling me that I will be responsible for the parts and he's checking on whether or not he can waive the labor :|. I'm currently camped out inside the owners office waiting for him to return (thank you sprint mobile broadband :) )


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They are telling me that I will be responsible for the parts and he's checking on whether or not he can waive the labor :|. I'm currently camped out inside the owners office waiting for him to return (thank you sprint mobile broadband :) )


Why are they blaming you :?:

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They are telling me that I will be responsible for the parts and he's checking on whether or not he can waive the labor :|. I'm currently camped out inside the owners office waiting for him to return (thank you sprint mobile broadband :) )


Why are they blaming you :?:


They were telling me since i'd had it back a week and just noticed a problem (my wife is off school until january and she is the one that drives it), that the transmission line could have split through normal use. They also mentioned that part is not covered under any warranty, and they weren't obligated to cover it. I spoke with the owner and he implied he was doing me a "favor" by covering parts and labor.

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