thanks MUTT for backing me up. too bad all these people are just guessin and imagining and making rude comments.

the rear bar does FAR from nothing. with the front bar off, and the rear on, it works very effectively and the handling is more balanced front to rear. its when you take the rear sway bar off is when it feels like its gunna roll over.

OZ do you mean you had both sway bars off when you say you drove around with the front off? or are you like the rest of them? and was this before you added all that heavy stuff to your already nose heavy crd or the way it is now. i would think with a crd you would probably want to go ahead and keep both bars on. my experience is entirely based on a gas powered limited with all the extras taken off to make it lighter. no spare tire, no skidplates, no tow bar.

thanks for the NASCAR burn. whatever. anyways i dont really care about a miniscule amount of articulation lost due to a spring rubber in the rear. i dont rock crawl, doesnt matter at all to me.

what i cant figure out is why ALL OF YOU except for Mutt have done nothing but try to cut me down or whatever in all your ignorance to the information i was trying to provide you. thats what this place is for. not some gang up on the guy that actually has an original idea that works well for him and obviously at least one other.

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Mutt LIVES! Where you been hiding out? Last post was in October!

Jcphoto, There is probably no one here with your setup, especially the "racing" spring rubbers, so I guess we are ignorant in that sense. I dont think you have ever said it, but I just dont want people to think it is actually safer to run around with no front swaybar. Remember it was your exact model of KJ the rolled over during the slalom test.

Maybe you could get the JKS quick disco's and at least hook that thing back up when you have the teenagers in the back, you are responsible for them, and if you ever did roll it and they find out you took the bar off.....Busted.

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Easy Mr Lambaba. Dont assume most of us havent bought your "undiscovered" theory just because we havent tried it. It took me one trip around the block to realize it was not a good idea. I've left wheeling trips and could realize I forgot to reconnect my disco's as soon as I make the first turn on the road. Try a full lane collision avoidance manuever at 35 mph. Put your "theory" up against Darwin's.

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jcphoto,
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Why do you run w/out the front bar? You mentioned you don't rock crawl so is there another reason you leave it off? Also, do you have a link for the spring rubbers you used or any pics of how that is set up?

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so oz you tried it on your crd with the front off and rear on? or are you still saying you had the rear off the entire time? you were not clear. you think the rear bar does nothing, you are very wrong. the rear bar is what keeps it from wagging its tail and feeling squirrely and limits the transfer of weight to the opposite front corner.

jeger, its not going to roll, it goes into a 4 wheel slide. i know my limits and the limits of whatever machine im driving, but the jeep is our main transportation and i drive like im driving an suv trying to get good gas mileage. im aware not many people do that.

dave, like i said in another post im sure i could roll it if i was drunk and stupid, but im neither.

jj, the bar is off because i prefer how the vehicle feels and handles with it off. much smoother ride and you can run 44psi and it feels less harsh than with the bar on and 30 psi. bumps or potholes taken on one corner do not affect the whole vehicle like it does in all of your jeeps. the roads here are not overly smooth and in mine it just soaks them up. and its heavy as hell, in addition to that helping gas mileage is the ability to run that higher air pressure and be comfortable. also there is more traction to the front wheels on bumpy packed snow that i have to back up my driveway into my garage on. i kinda like IFS working like its IFS.

i havent worked on the posting pics thing yet. soon im sure. just spring rubbers like you get at pep boys, round donut with groove on both sides to fit between the coils. i drilled pin holes thru and safety wired it around the spring to hold it in place. usually they stay in because coils are usually closer together than that. works great in my application. smooth ride back there still and stays level with 750lbs of passengers.

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i'd like to post my own experiences with the JKS quick discos for anyone who's interested...

while connected, the discos cause a rattle/thumpy sound over slowish bumps, potholes, etc... they don't make a peep at highway speed. it's kinda annoying at first, but you get used to it... passengers may ask why your jeep sounds like it's falling apart, but oh well...

new years day run at hannibal rocks was the first time i've actually disconnected them... prior ot that i've read about the lanyard that holds the sway bar up being too short... i verified this on my own with the jeep up on jack stands and the suspension at full droop...

what i did was put a regular key-chain ring on the lanyard and hooked that on the "?" shaped retaining thingy (my own technical name for it)...

this seemed to have worked perfectly.... offroad handling was night and day with the front disco'd... very flexy... much smoother... loved it..
i'm not sure if i ever got full droop or not while off-road that day, but the trails were nasty... everyone commented how the 1-star trails at hannibal were more like the 2's and 3's at the original rockport... i was half expecting to find a snapped lanyard at the end of the day, but it was fine... never heard a peep out of the sway bar all day either, so it didn't come into contact with anything as far as i can tell.

all in all, i think the JKS discos are great... just wish they were a bit quieter around town...

Mark

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wow , i remember when i posted in this thread about 6 months ago when these were on preorder.....i cant believe its gotten to 13 pages now

um, so has anyone asked how old jcphoto is? 17? first car? dont know what you are talking about ?

im just laughing about all this nonsense in it, and you should all just ignore him...no point in arguing with just one person, when you are all right

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again with the sophomoric attacks.

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The one thing that worries me about going without a sway bar (which I have done for periods of time) is that I believe that if you hit the oscillation frequency on one side (or both) then the oscillation will just bounce across your IFS forcing you to loose control.

I imagine suspensions are design to minimize the probability of hitting that frequency since this (even with the sway bar) would be a very unpleasant event. And the sway bar is one of the components that will keep a mirrored wave from traveling through the jeeps body.

The reason why solid axles would be better off with out a sway bar than IFS is because the axis of rotation, while in a set plane, is not in a set point. This would allow the axle to oscillate around one side of the axle and leaving one wheel to better help you maintain control and not loose control.

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