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CRuD Bucket wrote:
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So that included the Daystar front top strut metal spacer AND leaving your factory rear lower spring isolator pad in place? If so, can you post a picture of the rear with the Daystar puck on top of the factory pad, close up? I'm curious as the front looks higher than the back, but the way the front fender wells are cut higher in the steel than the rears, its' always hard to tell without measuring a drop down distance front and back for comparison.

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Are you talking about the thingy that sits on top of the rear axle? The front does look higher, particularly in the pic as the Jeep is facing uphill. In my (level) garage, the rear is higher. I wish I would've had more time prior to the lift to take measurements but things have been nuts for me lately. The Jeep definitley has a different sound now if I go over big bumps like RR tracks. It sounds as though something is bumping the pads or bumpers. :?:

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PS---if you look at the before pic it appears to be higher in the front, eh?

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CRuD Bucket wrote:
Are you talking about the thingy that sits on top of the rear axle?


Well, I just linked to a picture that Jeepjeepster posted that shows his new airbag in his rear spring for load leveling, but the part I'm wondering about is the pad that the bottom of that spring is sitting on. It is called an isolator pad and sits between the steel support plate for the spring on the axel, and the spring itself:

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Is that black pad still there with the Daystar puck just placed on top of it?

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 Post subject: Hope this helps...
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I think that orange "bumper" is what I hear "hitting bottom" on the RR tracks.

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Are you satisfied with the lift? How are the cv angles? Does it ride any worse than stock? How is the alignment? I'm still deciding if I want a lift. Well, I want one but just can't decide if it's worth it. Some people have so many problems and others just love them. Those air bags are a good idea. I hauled a trailer full of oak the other day and the axle was sitting on the stops. Sure rode nice though! Where did the air bags come from? I'm thinking of using some semi cab air bags I have here at work. They look like they would fit just right. The price is real good too!!(free)

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onthehunt wrote:
Those air bags are a good idea. I hauled a trailer full of oak the other day and the axle was sitting on the stops. Sure rode nice though! Where did the air bags come from? I'm thinking of using some semi cab air bags I have here at work. They look like they would fit just right. The price is real good too!!(free)


You'll have to send a private message to a user named Jeepjeepster about the airbags because that's the user I borrowed the picture from in my previous post. If you do a search for air bags I'm pretty sure I remember a topic on them with a link to click that sends you to a supplier with a price.

I can't speak for CRuD Bucket, but my lift and tire upgrades ride better than stock. My front end is not lifted as high as CRuD Bucket's, but our back spacers are the same. The only thing I'm missing from his set-up is the metal spacer that goes between the top of the strut assembly and the mounting point on the Jeep (in essence, pushing the entire strut assembly down). We both have the front spring spacer though.

With just my front spring spacers, my CV angles are nearly level so there is more room to lift if I decide to go higher later on.

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I’m happy so far…got about 450 miles on the beast since it was lifted. I don’t notice a HUGE difference in the ride---probably stiffer, which I like. I think a Jeep should “ride like a Jeep” but to some people, that’s a turnoff. If I have time, I may post pics of the CV joints/axles and a pic of Little Mack on level pavement, if that gives a better perspective of the front end. I am happy that the front end is up, as I hit bottom and did a number on my front skid plate in hunting season. I plan to upgrade the shocks/struts when I replace the tires. I just flipped 10k, so that may take another year or so. Mack is a road warrior 95% of the time, so I’m not going with anything very aggressive---maybe a nice set of Michelin light truck tires---definitely something higher than stock. I’m sure I could do a Google, but it would be nice of someone posted a “tire sizes for dummies” link. I realize that P245’s are higher than P225’s but “what does it all mean?” :lol: :?:

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Here’s a (rather dark) pic I took in the garage today. I tried to make sure the tires at the bottom of the pic were “even” so this would show the front height in perspective with the rear. The CV joints/axles do have some angle but taller tires should correct that---not an issue (yet).


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Many thanks CRuD Bucket for posting your results. I would like to hear how it holds up and how your alignment results go in the future.

I'm still researching and trolling these posts attempting to make up my mind what kit to go with. I just wish one of them added some additional suspension travel as well as lift.

Thanks again, GilaMonster

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Most welcome. This board has been great for/to me---even my dumb questions get answered. I’ll continue to contribute what I can. The shop that did the install told me to come back after 500 miles (I’m due) for them to recheck everything and make sure all is tight and well. I think the lift gave me a definite cool factor that rivals the Xterra and I feel like I’m driving a 4x4 instead of a Wuss Wagon Grocery Getter.
BTW---the puddle of oil beneath Little Mack in the pic is a leftover from my TDI. :lol:

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Okay CRuD Bucket, correct me if I’m wrong. Your Daystar 2.5” Lift that you bought through the mail from All J is basically the Frankenlift. All you lacked was the Old Man EMU struts which would have made your purchase a Frankenlift II. Am I correct? The reason I ask is because All J has lifted a lot of these CRD’s and there is no doubt that the Frankenlift and Frankenlift II (in my opinion) is the best all around Lift out there for the CRD based upon their long term research . I plan on installing the Frankenlift II, but I don’t know if I should go to All J and have it done or find a reputable shop here closer to home.

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My local shop ordered it in and installed it. Check out Little Mack---he made “Truck of the Month!” http://www.applehill4x4.com/
I would suggest going with a local shop (kind of like shopping for a dealer rather than a Jeep). After 500 miles or so, you will want to go back in for a check. I really liked working with the guys at Apple Hill---fun place, good fellas. If I knew anything about Jeeps, I’d send them my resume and try to get a job there. :lol:
I did a lot of research and the Daystar seemed like the best kit for the Libby. I’m going to go at it piece by piece, mod by mod. I will have Apple Hill install new shocks and struts (maybe Rancho’s?) when it comes time for new (read BIGGER) tires. My kit is a DYSKJ09115BK whereas I think AJ sells a 09116 (not sure what the difference is, if any, but this kit seems fine). If cabbage isn’t an issue, I’d go for the whole shebang (Frankenlift) if you’re leaning that way. Hope that helps.

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Yep, I think I have it all figured out. I went to www.4wheelparts.com to see what the 2.5” Daystar Kit consisted of. Basically the Frankenlift II is the same as the 2.5" Daystar. The only difference is that All J has already compiled all the other separate components such as the Old Man EMU front struts, OME Rear Coils, and the Rancho Rear Shocks into the kit. Now I know why (CRuD Bucket) would feel a little awkward buying All J’s custom Frankenlift concept and having another company install it. I think I would feel most comfortable if All J installed it for me. We live in Missouri so this will be an interesting task. However, my wife told me today that she was accustomed to her taller Tahoe (that we just sold) and would prefer that her Jeep was lifted! I about fell out of my rocker when she said that, but I played it off. I said, “Well Baby, we’ll just get that lift taken care of.” I need to jump on this or she might get too accustomed to the stock height and change her mind! Now I have to talk her into a road trip to All J’s in California. We still own land in New Mexico which is half way so perhaps it might not be possible! If not, I might have to bite the bullet and ask 4 wheel parts if they would install a Frankenlift for me. Anybody know of a place in Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Illinois, Arkansas, that are reputable shops?

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 Post subject: DO NOT GET THE ROCK KRAWLER 3 OR 3.5 KIT
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I'm currently going through alot of hell with the 3.5 x factor kit. I will post detailed information and hopefully pictures (if I can get someone to host them). STAY AWAY FROM THIS KIT is my warning.
I'm in the process of communicating with them regarding the problems and finding out how they will resolve the issues.

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I have the daystar 2.5" all the way around with the OME front struts . I love it. Pics in my Cardomain below.

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 Post subject: You hit the nail on the head
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Hit your site---Jeep looks nice. Your quote sums it all up:
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This is how Jeep should have made it!!!

Here's a pic I took yesterday of Little Mack and a stock Libby. I think I gained more than 2.5" too. Taller tires will rock too. Anyone know if I can go as high as a 265/70?

[img][img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v350/Snookie3006/P1010021Medium.jpg[/img][/img]

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 Post subject: BUYER BEWARE of Rock Krawler Kit
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I purchased the Rock Krawler Liberty 3.5” X-Factor System for my 2006 Jeep Liberty CRD from Discount Jeep Parts (also known as Off Road Motorsports). Please note that both Rock Krawler and Discount Jeep Parts web catalog of this item do not exclude the Jeep Liberty CRD.

Before Upon installation, I called Rock Krawler and talked to a talk to a technician regarding fitment of the kit and with general installation questions for a Jeep Liberty CRD. I was assured that the kit would fit just fine, and that no modifications were necessary. They had installe them on CRD model before, and the kit fits just fine.
I subsequently began the installation, and discovered that this kit did not fit properly on the front driver side suspension strut. The Rock Krawler clevis provided in the kit pinched the inner CV boot. I called that same day, during my installation, and talk to a technician at Rock Krawler who assured me that when the suspension is bearing the vehicle weight, with the wheels on the ground, the system will lower down enough that the boot will not be contactingin the Rock Krawler clevis brackets. Upon completion of the front and rear suspension kit, I lowered the vehicle and could see that the inner CV boot on the driver side of the vehicle was still pinched and bound up in the Rock Krawler clevis clamp.
I called Rock Krawler again, they explained that vehicle needed to be driven to load the suspension and then the boot would not be bound up in the Rock Krawler clevis joint. After a test drive, the boot was still bound in the Rock Krawler clevis joint.
Further, the CV boot was showing wear marks signs that this rubbing will contribute to premature failure due to the boot bound in the Rock Krawler clevis bracket.

Subsequent phone call with a different technician at Rock Krawler, and they explain that the Rock Krawler 3.5 X-Factor kit is not meant for installation on a CRD. The technician even went as far as to explain that one has never been installed at their shop, and that since the vehicle model was discontinued, they never intended to make a kit for that model. Upon asking what exactly was occurring, he wanted to know if the boot was just rubbing at full suspension droop (unloaded) because it was normal for the boot to rub their clevis at full droop. THAT IN ITSELF IS THEM ADMITTING THERE IS A DESIGN FLAW.

Rock Krawler and Discount Jeep Parts position on the matter is that since I installed the kit, none of them are responsible for it not fitting. They claim that their web pages do not SPECIFY a CRD fitment. I responded that their web information says it fits Jeep LIberty KJ models, and that they don't specify by engine. Anyway, this will not come as a shock to anyone I suppose, but they will not stand by their product.

So, it appears I'm out my money from the kit. I have modified the clevis bracket by cutting off the inner bent flanges that bind up the boot, and them box welding the outside of the driver side clevis brackets.

Additional problems with there lift kit include:
• Larger bump stops are required to keep the actual front struts from bottoming out at full compression. I spoke with the Rock Krawler technician and was assured that larger bump stops were not necessary, but they are incorrect. At full compression, there is no contact with the stock bump stop and the strut is taking all the force.
• The front suspension with the Rock Krawler kit design, like others, allows the upper ball joints to come in contact with the front strut springs, which has ruptured the upper ball joint boot, which will lead to premature failure of the upper ball joint.
• The rear shocks included with the Rock Krawler kit do not have the correct bushing sleeves for correct fitment to the upper shock mounts on the vehicle. These incorrect bushing sleeves lead to the rear shocks fitting too loose on the mounts and thumping very loud. The failure to include the correct bushing sleeves has lead to one failing by breaking apart. And they didn't even include the dust boots, a five dollar addition. (The remedy I have taken was to order and install Ranch RSX17004 shocks, since the have the correct bushings to mount to the vehicle rear shock mounts.)
• They did not include rear bump stops to keep the rear shocks from bottoming out during hard compression. This could lead to premature failure of a shock valve.

Here are pictures of the cv boot binding in their clevis bracket.
First one is from the rear of the driver side wheel with the suspension at full droop
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Second one is from the front of the drivers side wheel with the suspension loaded (on the ground with vehicle weight)
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I'm just letting you know my experiance with Rock Krawler. If anything, their business practices and customer service are lousy at best, and more on the lines of fraudulent. BUYER BEWARE.

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I just called Rustys.

They say that the CRD is virtually the same weight and that the kit will work fine on the CRD.

And I did a search. AllPar is where this is from


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Axle Ratio (lbs.) 3.73
GVWR (lbs.) 5600
GCWR (lbs.) 10,150
GAWR Front/Rear (lbs.) 2750/3150
Curb Weight, est.(a) (lbs.) 4296
Max. Tongue Weight(b) (lbs.) 750
Max. Trailer Weight(b) (lbs.) 5000
Max. Payload(c) (lbs.) 1150
Max. Cargo(d) (lbs.) 400

3.7 Gas
Axle Ratio (lbs.) 3.73
GVWR (lbs.) 5600
GCWR (lbs.) 10,150
GAWR Front/Rear (lbs.) 2750/3150
Curb Weight, est.(a) (lbs.) 4296
Max. Tongue Weight(b) (lbs.) 750
Max. Trailer Weight(b) (lbs.) 5000
Max. Payload(c) (lbs.) 1150
Max. Cargo(d) (lbs.) 400

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