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 Post subject: Youtube Bio Diesel KJ Conversion
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:09 pm 
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Found this post on youtube guy in Alaska is selling 06 KJ CRD converted to veggie oil. Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAGosXbkdlk

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:42 pm 
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Check out the 3000 mile oil changes and the second engine in it!!

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neat idea .. but still too new and I really can't afford to guniea pig my CRD with WVO ...




also I'd like to take mine off road .. with the tank and coolant undearneath it ... I'd be leaving a lot of deadly tasting french fry oil on the trails

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Lest someone unfamiliar with biodiesel drop in and read this heading and interpret it wrong, straight vegetable oil (used or new) is NOT the same thing as biodiesel. A quick 'net search will tell you why.

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This guy basically modified his engine and fuel system to accept multiple fuels, it's similar to the old Duece and a-half's which could run just about anything combustable. I would NOT want to do that to my tiny engine with really tiny turbo...

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Those duece and a half's also had a cable in the cab that you pulled to change the timing depending on your fuel. Those multi-fuel engines were phased out long ago.

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 Post subject: Trying to understand comments made
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:10 am 
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Check out the 3000 mile oil changes and the second engine in it!!


Humm... I missed where he said that? I saw the Libby advertised on his site a while ago but I don't remember him saying anything about a second engine... Where did you hear that? And, what about 3000 mile oil changes??

I plan on doing just what he did with his Libby, except mine will most likely have a kit made by Frybrid. The only exception will be instead of the tank in the cargo area like Chris did over at Frybrid, I will replace the oem tank like Charles did. I like his split tank idea. I will most likely do a side by side thing around 12 gallons per tank. And, add a skid plate under the tank(s). - one other option is to use the oem tank for wvo and add a 5 gallon #2 tank for start-up and shut-down.

One thing he said in the video is that you could run #2 in the larger tank...... Unless there is a way to turn off the heating to the tank/fuel lines I wouldn't send hot #2 into the IP.

A heated two tank system does address the cold weather performance of those who use B100.

BTW Charles Anderson is located in Springfield, MO. He was born in Alaska according to his website.

As for multi-fuel vehicles......... they are being used in Iraq right now:

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Many camps use military rough terrain lift trucks, which are multi-fuel that can run on diesel or gas. Multi-fuels are used in all types of military over-the-road vehicles. The rough terrain lift trucks also were best for loading and unloading products from supply trucks in the sand and uneven road surfaces.
http://www.datakey.org/mhedajournal/1q06/troops.php3


I really miss the point of the comment "tiny little enging and tiny little turbo". Even if that were true, please explain why a small engine couldn't burn a properly delivered fuel that other diesels have been burning for a long time?


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Dad:

We gathered the second engine info from the eBay ad:
http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ebaymotors/Jeep-Liberty-2006-Jeep-Liberty-2-8L-CRD-Diesel-SVO-WVO-System_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43916QQihZ011QQitemZ320104498841QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

I don't think 3k oil changes are bad, assuming 3k IS the magic number. This guy started Greasel/Golden Fuel Systems, one of the first US grease-kit companies, so he has a bit of experience. I would think the split-tank alone is an interesting feature, even if one never runs grease. Might be nice for running 100% Biodiesel in cold weather, especially homemade stuff.

Hey, Dad, where are you located? I'm in Berlin, CT.

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Noticed the Check Engine Lt Stays on

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Now, an embarrassing confession. I had a relapse of the disease
cranial-rectum-itis, (you know, head up your ---- disease) This was my wife's Jeep and she drove every day and even took a big road trip by herself out to visit her family out west. Any way I was busy with the business and have to admit that I didn't follow my own advice and keep up on routine maintenance, like oil changes. To make a long story short, In cases of gross negligence with maintenance, there is a condition called crank case oil polymerization and the oil doesn't flow around the engine. This happened to the wife's Jeep. I pulled the engine, and determined instead of rebuilding the engine I would just put in a new one. I chose not to go to the dealer for warrantee work because I knew it was my own darn fault. Sometimes negligence is expensive.

Long story short I bought an engine from LKQcorp, a very reputable company, and replaced the whole engine. I have the paper work and the certification from them. The engine had the same mileage as mine, 11,000. Turbo and everything was replaced, so everything that could have been effected has been replaced. While this was going on I found my wife a rare diesel minivan which fits our 4 kids better, so the jeep is being sold. I recommend 3K mile oil changes, and as far as maintenance on the veggie system, it is a simple filter change every 3 to 5 thousand miles. Running on free veggie oil is not difficult, but it does take a commitment to learn a new way to do things. And it is very rewarding, not just financially.




Any idea what diesel minivan he got was? The only thing I could think of would be a VW diesel eurovan in this country......maybe a sprinter, but I would harly call that a minivan

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Noticed the Check Engine Lt Stays on

I saw that when I saw this video back when there were only about 3 views.

I wonder if any buyers will notice that...

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BiodieselJeep.com wrote:
Dad:

We gathered the second engine info from the eBay ad:
http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ebaymotors/Jeep-Liberty-2006-Jeep-Liberty-2-8L-CRD-Diesel-SVO-WVO-System_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43916QQihZ011QQitemZ320104498841QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

I don't think 3k oil changes are bad, assuming 3k IS the magic number. This guy started Greasel/Golden Fuel Systems, one of the first US grease-kit companies, so he has a bit of experience. I would think the split-tank alone is an interesting feature, even if one never runs grease. Might be nice for running 100% Biodiesel in cold weather, especially homemade stuff.

Hey, Dad, where are you located? I'm in Berlin, CT.


Hi

I'm in Worcester.

Yes the heated fuel lines would help running B100 in the New England winter huh?!?

I didn't know he had it on EBay so I didn't know about the engine, my apologies. Here is perhaps a further explanation of what could have happened to the oem engine besides just "lack of maintenance":

Here is the scernio I have heard happens when running "cold" wvo in a "cold" (not up to temp) engine. Fuel does blow-by and wvo in the crankcase is a very bad thing. If you switch over to wvo too early there is more of a chance that there will be wvo in the crankcase.

From Chris Goodwin at the Frybrid website:

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You have sufficient fuel temps and as long as the engine is at operating temp before switch to VO I would be satisfied. The issue of early switch is this: Let us assume that you have a tank filled with 160-180F oil and you start the motor and switch right to VO. If you look at the function of the engine you will see that diesels bypass quite a bit of fuel past the rings until they reach operating temp, when the engine has heated up and the pistons and rings expanded enough to seal properly, they bypass very little. If the fuel bypassing the rings is VO you will end up with polymerized oil in the crankcase which will burn the bearings out of the motor. Larger diesels do this so badly that professional drivers and captains start and run the motor under load, but not full load until warm, then come on the power hard to clear the system out and seal the rings. Bus drivers will fire up a motor, let it run at fast idle until the air system is up, then they warm it and hit a hill at full throttle before picking up any passengers just to get the power up and the rings sealed. While this means little in smaller engines it does accurately represent the bypass of fuel into the oil. Check out the blowby on your engine cold by removing the oil fill with the engine running, then do it again after a good loaded run.

Full thread here: http://www.frybrid.com/forum/showthread ... +crankcase

So, I am not saying that this was the cause, I just have read an opinion from an expert in the field. Toward the bottom of the quote, notice what Chris also says about "small engines".

That is why while the tank(s) may be my own design, the wvo system will most likely be a Frybrid.

Just another 2-cents

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