bye Libby, it's been fun

Kniggit · **Posted:** Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:18 pm

Thats just called performing service in a workman like manner. If I ever tried not to do that I guarantee that I would have to return on a service call. Sure you can half stupid something, but you'll end up doing it half a$$ed three times, so why not just do it whole a$$ed, and not touching it again, its not a problem with the Jeep, the dealers service department is the first and last line of defense against warranty nightmares, its a shame that so few are good enough to stand up to the task.

K

sbohner · **Posted:** Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:09 pm

Bon Voyage G-funk in your new truck -- we will miss your useful input. Thanks!

sbohner · **Posted:** Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:19 pm

BVCRD wrote:

fatweasel wrote:

I am confused by the people who hated their vehicles so much that they angrilly sold them with "no regrets" - yet they continue to return to this site and contibute negative commentary.

If you sold your CRD, thats cool. Why harbor that betterness and anger and keep returning to the site with the negative energy?

"Welcome to the club - I did that back in October. Mines an 06 Quad cab 4x2, and I've not looked back once. Best of luck to you, you will NOT be sorry.
Paul"

Simple. They are L>O>S>T> without us.

Kind of like ghosts. No where to go until their life gets rewired. I wish the spooks would just go on to the afterlife. GO TOWARDS THE LIGHT!!!!

Fatweasel and BVCRD... Good question! :shock:

What would make folks angry enough with DCX to return to the forum...hmmm, that spans almost two years of struggling to get DCX to take responsibility for the design flaws that manifest themselves in a significant number of the CRDs.

CRD owners took a chance buying a new DCX offering and what appeared to be a sound product only to face a discontinued configuration coupled with what appears to be DCX distancing themselves from their problem by remedies like the F37.

CRD owners lament the fact that Consumer Reports is bashing the CRD (without reason IMHO) and DCX is doing little about it. CRD owners are troubled by the diminution of value their Jeeps have experienced over the past two years. :cry:

I found it interesting that you use the same rationale that the DCX customer representatives used with me when they would not program my ECM back to the original configuration -- it is your dealer's service department's problem -- let them fix it, insinuating that the dealer did faulty work.

The only thing is that DCX would not approve the ECM reprogramming back. The dealer couldn't make the repair because it was against DCX policy.

Now I like the CRD -- it is based largely on a sound Liberty chassis and a proven VM diesel engine. This is a fun vehicle.

The problem remains that due to some poor design decisions (integration of a strong low end torque engine with a transmission designed to have strong high end torque -- torsion problem, and an EGR/FCV combination that is badly sized/placed in the air flow) that appear to be known by DCX, the CRD has a much higher than normal incidence of repairs. CRD owners are becoming way too familiar with their Jeep service managers and as you know, familiarity breeds contempt (...or babies). :wink:

I’m saddened when I see once enthusiastic CRD owners sell let their Jeeps go at a substantial loss (~$14-17K from a ~$23-29K expenditure two years ago is still ~$4.5K a year depreciation). What else would cause a customer to take such a financial hit? :?:

BVCRD · **Posted:** Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:36 pm

Well, 4.5K a year is about normal. My 2004 Buick was a good, sound, well thought out car. I payed 24K 3 years ago. Trade in now is 9.6K. That is 14.4K in 3 years or...........4.8K per year.

It's just the way it is when you buy new stuff. You should know that.

sbohner · **Posted:** Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:51 pm

BVCRD wrote:

Well, 4.5K a year is about normal. My 2004 Buick was a good, sound, well thought out car. I payed 24K 3 years ago. Trade in now is 9.6K. That is 14.4K in 3 years or...........4.8K per year.

It's just the way it is when you buy new stuff. You should know that.

It is true that the first year is the largest depreciation and a bit less the second year. However, by year 4, depreciation should come in at ~40% of original value (by today’s standards based on 12K miles per year -- Obviously, this varies by brand/type/model). However we are already over 30% -- suffice it to say, we are ahead of schedule! :shock:

Compare this to diesels like the Dodge and Mercedes (other DCX brands), where the year 4 depreciation is more like 27%, we are definitely losing $something fast. Wouldn’t you agree? :wink:

BVCRD · **Posted:** Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:55 pm

sbohner wrote:

BVCRD wrote:

Well, 4.5K a year is about normal. My 2004 Buick was a good, sound, well thought out car. I payed 24K 3 years ago. Trade in now is 9.6K. That is 14.4K in 3 years or...........4.8K per year.

It's just the way it is when you buy new stuff. You should know that.

It is true that the first year is the largest depreciation and a bit less the second year. However, by year 4, depreciation should come in at ~40% of original value (by today’s standards based on 12K miles per year -- Obviously, this varies by brand/type/model). However we are already over 30% -- suffice it to say, we are ahead of schedule! :shock:

Compare this to diesels like the Dodge and Mercedes (other DCX brands), where the year 4 depreciation is more like 27%, we are definitely losing $something fast. Wouldn’t you agree? :wink:

Yea, we're loosing money and I don't like it but it's just the way it is. My Buick had 46000 miles on it and got 33 mpg. It was worth more that 9600, but to who? Certainly me. But, I traded it in anyway. I think they have it figured that you break even on what you owe after 3 years if you didn't put much down on it. I actually had the Buick 3 months past 3 years. I came out on it 1800 to the good.

modelaford · **Posted:** Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:24 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

First of all, neither of the two L.O.S.T. Members above said they got rid of thier KJs in anger. They did not even state why they go rid of thier CRDs. Second, once L.O.S.T. ... always L.O.S.T.

Just be careful jumping to conclusions...sometimes people get new vehicles because they need a truck, or because a VW TDI gets better fuel economy or even because the KJ CRD is a stepping stone for some to move to a bigger diesel.

Thank you... never said anything about being upset with the CRD. Mine was pretty trouble free too - I only had one problem - occasionally the rear brake would drag and then lock up solid when going in reverse. That made pulling out of a few parking spaces interesting.
I sold it simply because as much as I wanted it to fit my needs, it did not. It was simply too small for me. It did serve well as my first exposure to diesel, and it hooked me. A dealer near me had a truck that I liked, and he offered me a great trade on the CRD. ... so, it was simply a deal that I could not pass up.
So, my post above was not meant to be negative about the CRD at all, but rather very positive about the CTD. I've often said that if I could have afforded to do so, I would have kept the CRD and bought the truck. THAT is why I still read LOST.
Paul

G-funk · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:09 am

modelaford wrote:

DarbyWalters wrote:

First of all, neither of the two L.O.S.T. Members above said they got rid of thier KJs in anger. They did not even state why they go rid of thier CRDs. Second, once L.O.S.T. ... always L.O.S.T.

Just be careful jumping to conclusions...sometimes people get new vehicles because they need a truck, or because a VW TDI gets better fuel economy or even because the KJ CRD is a stepping stone for some to move to a bigger diesel.

Thank you... never said anything about being upset with the CRD. Mine was pretty trouble free too - I only had one problem - occasionally the rear brake would drag and then lock up solid when going in reverse. That made pulling out of a few parking spaces interesting.
I sold it simply because as much as I wanted it to fit my needs, it did not. It was simply too small for me. It did serve well as my first exposure to diesel, and it hooked me. A dealer near me had a truck that I liked, and he offered me a great trade on the CRD. ... so, it was simply a deal that I could not pass up.
So, my post above was not meant to be negative about the CRD at all, but rather very positive about the CTD. I've often said that if I could have afforded to do so, I would have kept the CRD and bought the truck. THAT is why I still read LOST.
Paul

I could have typed the exact same thing...except I got dry humped on my trade in :lol:

I always told people if I could have the interior space of my Liberty with a six foot bed it would be perfect. Oddly enough my cab and front end equal the size of the Libby and it has a six foot bed. This vehicle just works better for me, nothing more nothing less. I really liked my liberty and will keep throwing my two cents around in here. I guess once your L.O.S.T. you really can't be found :roll:

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:35 am

BVCRD wrote:

DarbyWalters wrote:

BVCRD wrote:

RF did state that he jumped ship because of concerns with the rig and dealer support. I don't know if he was mad or not. Fortunately for us, and you, we all didn't follow in his footsteps. LOST might look like a ghost town.

RF isn't even in this thread. :?:

Not this one, but one of the recently departed CRD owners on other threads. My mistake.

Lack of Oxygen again

BVCRD · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:41 am

Joe Romas wrote:

BVCRD wrote:

DarbyWalters wrote:

BVCRD wrote:

RF did state that he jumped ship because of concerns with the rig and dealer support. I don't know if he was mad or not. Fortunately for us, and you, we all didn't follow in his footsteps. LOST might look like a ghost town.

RF isn't even in this thread. :?:

Not this one, but one of the recently departed CRD owners on other threads. My mistake.

Lack of Oxygen again

Absolutely. You try living 2 miles up for 4 years and see what comes squirting out of your mouth. Blood thicker than 40W Pennzoil in January, starts seeing things and hearing them too.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:32 pm

We traded the CRD for a Gasser Liberty. Trust me, I miss the diesel option! I love diesel, and I think that diesel should be the way of the future. Unfortunately we spent way too much down time in the shop and we were in no way satisfied with the way CDX was attempting to fix the CRD‘s problems. As far as the Cummins is concerned, it’s pretty impressive. For those who have the 5.9 III Generation Cummins 04-06 and early 07‘s, PLEASE buy the WORKHORSE micro computer, it will increase your mileage big time. With the micro computer, aeroturbine, PSM air intake, Turbo air guide, and cool hose, I’m getting a solid 27-28 mpg running empty at 70 -75 mph. The aeroturbine alone provided an additional 2 mpg increase. This is by far the most unbelievable upgrade on the market. It is nothing like the expensive CHIPS by Banks or other diesel performance upgrades. I know it’s hard to believe, but I am in no way stretching the truth when I say I’m getting 27-28 mpg. I pulled my gooseneck the other day loaded and averaged 22 mpg. I went from 15-16 mpg to 22 mpg pulling approximately 7,000 lbs at highway speeds. www.morepowerlessfuel.com
Read the link.

truckbouy2 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:03 pm

onthehunt · **Posted:** Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:25 pm

Sound just like the predator tuner. Note the "optimizes fuel rail pressure" line. In english that means raises fuel rail pressure. Maybe not over spec but I'm sure it's right there all the time. That's how they work. Normally you get high rail psi only at high rpm's. With this you get high rail psi all the time. Higher rail psi= higher injection psi=better atomization of fuel=more power,better,cleaner burns. Some add an additional injection also. Sounds really great until you think about your rail psi maxed out all the time.

bye Libby, it's been fun

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