What if Honda made a Jeep?

Guest · **Posted:** Fri May 11, 2007 11:34 am

unixxx wrote:

The H1 only has independent suspension for stability and clearance. A solid axle vehicle with the same clearance would require larger tires and thus a larger axle. The larger tires, larger axle, and solid axle center section would add more unsprung weight and reduce stability. Here's another explanation and some pictures:

http://skidplate4x4.tripod.com/FAQ.html#anchor306198

Look, I realize that you will stand by your statement to the bitter end, but this page is showing a old Toyota with IFS, not full independent. Quite honestly, the photos don't show a comparison, they just show the same Toyota.

Here, I'll be the one who capitulates... All Full independent suspension trucks are wussed out curb crawlers... the H1 can climb a 3 foot vertical curb, but it is still a wussed out curb crawler.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Fri May 11, 2007 12:59 pm

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Here, I'll be the one who capitulates... All Full independent suspension trucks are wussed out curb crawlers... the H1 can climb a 3 foot vertical curb, but it is still a wussed out curb crawler.

Sorry but I take offense to that statement(you must be talking about H2's and H3's,then I agree with you),can your KJ/TJ/JK/XJ climb a 3 foot vertical wall totally stock?My H1 in Afganistan was tipping the scales at 16,000 lbs and still could put to shame most TJ's(fully armored and almost every tool you will ever need,parts,fluids,and welder/torch).USAFCOP is right,JEEP's are built not bought.

sleeve84028 · **Posted:** Fri May 11, 2007 1:51 pm

There are a lot of bennifits to Fully independent suspensions. There are also bennifits to a fully solid setup. Between the two - I would prefer a vehicle with independent wheels just because I think it offers more advantages when done proplerly.

H1 is the civilian version... I would imagine the Military has improved the fleet. i.e. Armoured HMMWV's in IRAQ that can survive IED's

jcphoto20 · **Joined:** Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:36 am **Posts:** 507

you can actually get solid axles that have raised center sections and cv joints at a permanent angle that have very similar if not not better ground clearance and you still have true articulation.

-something you will never have in independent. (one wheel pushing down on the opposite side)

dirtykj · **Posted:** Fri May 11, 2007 4:18 pm

Can I have Portal Axle?

Guest · **Posted:** Fri May 11, 2007 4:50 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

Quote:

Here, I'll be the one who capitulates... All Full independent suspension trucks are wussed out curb crawlers... the H1 can climb a 3 foot vertical curb, but it is still a wussed out curb crawler.

Sorry but I take offense to that statement(you must be talking about H2's and H3's,then I agree with you),can your KJ/TJ/JK/XJ climb a 3 foot vertical wall totally stock?My H1 in Afganistan was tipping the scales at 16,000 lbs and still could put to shame most TJ's(fully armored and almost every tool you will ever need,parts,fluids,and welder/torch).USAFCOP is right,JEEP's are built not bought.

Don't take offense, I was being incredibly sarcastic!!! I was talking to a guy who has wheeled a H1 numerous times at Moab, & of all the incredible things he told me, he never said "that solid axle Wrangler took me to school" or "I got stuck"!

BTW, Thank you for your service

!

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Fri May 11, 2007 4:58 pm

KJpilot wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

Quote:

Here, I'll be the one who capitulates... All Full independent suspension trucks are wussed out curb crawlers... the H1 can climb a 3 foot vertical curb, but it is still a wussed out curb crawler.

Sorry but I take offense to that statement(you must be talking about H2's and H3's,then I agree with you),can your KJ/TJ/JK/XJ climb a 3 foot vertical wall totally stock?My H1 in Afganistan was tipping the scales at 16,000 lbs and still could put to shame most TJ's(fully armored and almost every tool you will ever need,parts,fluids,and welder/torch).USAFCOP is right,JEEP's are built not bought.

Don't take offense, I was being incredibly sarcastic!!! I was talking to a guy who has wheeled a H1 numerous times at Moab, & of all the incredible things he told me, he never said "that solid axle Wrangler took me to school" or "I got stuck"!

BTW, Thank you for your service

!

No problem,I wasn't sweating it!DirtyKJ,Portals are cool,expensive but cool

.(if anyone is interested,H1's have IFS and portals)

spencevans · **Posted:** Fri May 11, 2007 5:52 pm

So I have been thinking about this for awhile and it reminded me of a partnership between Jeep and Mitsubishi. Jeep and Mitsubishi have been making CJ's togeather since the 60's. Basically a Jeep with Mitsubishi drivetrain.

Jeep has an offroad tradition which is as rich as any other automaker. Mitsubishi has developed into the world leader as far as offroad racing is concerned over the last 20 years. Mitsubishi has become the team to beat at Dakar because of their durability. I know that here in the states we don't recognize Mitsubishi as amazing offroad vehicles but everywhere else they are held in the same reguard as Toyota and Land Rover.

I don't see Honda as the answer. Honda does cars, motor cycles and ATV's. If you are looking for durability look to Mitsubishi, the other offroad experts.

Rusty the Scoob · **Posted:** Fri May 11, 2007 7:08 pm

KJpilot wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

Quote:

Here, I'll be the one who capitulates... All Full independent suspension trucks are wussed out curb crawlers... the H1 can climb a 3 foot vertical curb, but it is still a wussed out curb crawler.

Sorry but I take offense to that statement(you must be talking about H2's and H3's,then I agree with you),can your KJ/TJ/JK/XJ climb a 3 foot vertical wall totally stock?My H1 in Afganistan was tipping the scales at 16,000 lbs and still could put to shame most TJ's(fully armored and almost every tool you will ever need,parts,fluids,and welder/torch).USAFCOP is right,JEEP's are built not bought.

Don't take offense, I was being incredibly sarcastic!!! I was talking to a guy who has wheeled a H1 numerous times at Moab, & of all the incredible things he told me, he never said "that solid axle Wrangler took me to school" or "I got stuck"!

BTW, Thank you for your service

!

Phew!

I wheel with a guy with an H1 and it is amazing... he has to make a lot of many-point turns in the tight new england woods, but when it comes to the rocks it goes up just about anything.

Guest · **Posted:** Fri May 11, 2007 8:06 pm

spencevans wrote:

So I have been thinking about this for awhile and it reminded me of a partnership between Jeep and Mitsubishi. Jeep and Mitsubishi have been making CJ's togeather since the 60's. Basically a Jeep with Mitsubishi drivetrain.

Jeep has an offroad tradition which is as rich as any other automaker. Mitsubishi has developed into the world leader as far as offroad racing is concerned over the last 20 years. Mitsubishi has become the team to beat at Dakar because of their durability. I know that here in the states we don't recognize Mitsubishi as amazing offroad vehicles but everywhere else they are held in the same reguard as Toyota and Land Rover.

I don't see Honda as the answer. Honda does cars, motor cycles and ATV's. If you are looking for durability look to Mitsubishi, the other offroad experts.

I had a 1988 Dodge Raider (rebadged Montero). That thing was amazing! It was about the size & proprtion of a Wrangler, but was a solid metal top. I loved that thing! When we moved to Minneapolis, I traded it and my 85 MR-2 in for a Dodge Neon... BIG MISTAKE

sqliberty · **Joined:** Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:08 pm **Posts:** 207

I have a 2002 liberty with 85k and I love it except for getting 15 MPG. I also have a 92 Honda Civic Si with over 200k on it getting 31 MPG and love that too. Both have had small issues but nothing major. Having both right now with gas prices has been great. Both serve their purpose and since I have both it works out great. If Honda made a jeep I would buy it in a second. They know how to buld an engine, thats for sure. I guess why the are called Honda Motor Co. Honda knows how to make a good comfortable interior as well. Resale value on a Hondas is great as well. I don't have any problems with liberty, but I think Honda is a superior car manufacturer.

tommudd · **Posted:** Sun May 13, 2007 9:55 am

No matter..... many American name brands can last 200,000/300,000 or more also, I have had several. Yes Hondas have a good reputation,... I guess but other than that they (the motherland) still TRIED to bomb their way into taking over the U.S. and now they are just doing it by selling us all their cars and making us believe that is the American thing to do now. I guess I grew up in another time than most of you. Again will never own anything other than Jeeps/Harleys well unless they are made by someone from across the ocean

Guest · **Posted:** Sun May 13, 2007 11:43 am

tommudd wrote:

No matter..... many American name brands can last 200,000/300,000 or more also, I have had several. Yes Hondas have a good reputation,... I guess but other than that they (the motherland) still TRIED to bomb their way into taking over the U.S. and now they are just doing it by selling us all their cars and making us believe that is the American thing to do now. I guess I grew up in another time than most of you. Again will never own anything other than Jeeps/Harleys well unless they are made by someone from across the ocean

Jeep is owned by the Germans, who unlike Japan, probably would have eventually tried an invasion of the US in WWII. Yes, Japan struck us first, but they were never thinking of taking over the US. Their goal was domination of the South Pacific, the only thing standing in their way was our Navy fleet. That is why they bombed Pearl Harbor.

tommudd · **Posted:** Sun May 13, 2007 2:53 pm

well duh there kjpilot, like I never studied or taught history. And yes I do know who owns Jeep trust me living in the HOME TOWN OF JEEP you know who does :wink:

I was just saying that I would never buy a Honda, Kia, Zuki any of them.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun May 13, 2007 10:02 pm

My $42,000 Dodge Cummins was MADE IN MEXICO.

Guest · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2007 12:03 am

tommudd wrote:

well duh there kjpilot, like I never studied or taught history. And yes I do know who owns Jeep trust me living in the HOME TOWN OF JEEP you know who does :wink:

I was just saying that I would never buy a Honda, Kia, Zuki any of them.

Sorry, you said Japan tried to take over the US with bombs, and that you'd not buy a Jeep if it were made by someone from across the ocean... :shock:

matthiesen · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2007 11:10 am

Honda makes excellent off road stuff.....they're called XRs,CRs,XTs and a large groupe of ATVs.Notice that they all fit into the bed of the Ridgeline.Why bother with a Honda concept Jeep.

performancechef · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2007 11:49 am

tommudd wrote:

No matter..... many American name brands can last 200,000/300,000 or more also, I have had several. Yes Hondas have a good reputation,... I guess but other than that they (the motherland) still TRIED to bomb their way into taking over the U.S. and now they are just doing it by selling us all their cars and making us believe that is the American thing to do now. I guess I grew up in another time than most of you. Again will never own anything other than Jeeps/Harleys well unless they are made by someone from across the ocean

Hmmm... Diamler is a GERMAN company. It owns Chrysler, ( and that unfortunatly includes JEEP) I do recall from 4th grade history about some Germans tring to take over the world or something, (that i guess would include the USA) Read the build info on any new car, and even your harley. Let me know were the parts came from and were final assembly was. Its very rare to find something "completely american" even apple pie! :lol:

Jeger · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2007 4:32 pm

performancechef wrote:

tommudd wrote:

No matter..... many American name brands can last 200,000/300,000 or more also, I have had several. Yes Hondas have a good reputation,... I guess but other than that they (the motherland) still TRIED to bomb their way into taking over the U.S. and now they are just doing it by selling us all their cars and making us believe that is the American thing to do now. I guess I grew up in another time than most of you. Again will never own anything other than Jeeps/Harleys well unless they are made by someone from across the ocean

Hmmm... Diamler is a GERMAN company. It owns Chrysler, ( and that unfortunatly includes JEEP) I do recall from 4th grade history about some Germans tring to take over the world or something, (that i guess would include the USA) Read the build info on any new car, and even your harley. Let me know were the parts came from and were final assembly was. Its very rare to find something "completely american" even apple pie! :lol:

You mean Daimler USED to own Chrysler.

performancechef · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2007 4:37 pm

Jeger wrote:

You mean Daimler USED to own Chrysler.

still do, 19% purchased chrysler in 98 for $32billion, sold 81% nine years later for $7.5billion, good investment :lol:

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