What if Honda made a Jeep?

tommudd · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:27 pm

I know where each and every part/bolt/screw comes from on each and every vehicle I own, BUT will still never buy anything with a Jap name on it. End of this conversation. Didnt grow up when I did

tommudd · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2007 6:09 pm

Oh yes by the way from all the educated ones on here who remember history lessons a few years ago and telling me how many parts on my Harley are made in Japan or oversees...just how many parts from oversees are there on my :wink:

................................... 1948 Harley panhead ??? Not everyone has new toys that was made in the last two / three years.

How many parts from oversees are on my 49 Ford 4 door with a flathead? Tires maybe as I did update to Firestone radials
Now I will give you that a lot of parts on the Liberty and even my 95 Cherokee have them but most of my toys do not contain oversees parts. they are just too old to have stuff from over there! Oh well :roll:

Oh yes by the way I do like to stir things/people up every now and again, its the only way to get them to think outside the box

paullgj · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2007 8:51 pm

Hi Tom,

I think I grew up at the same time you did, in a (former) steel town in Pennsylvania. Wy wife owned a Honda CRV for 10 years - it was a well-made, very reliable vehicle. Except I hated the damned thing and rarely drove it. Light-weight, bouncy, delicate for the rough tuff.

She came home with a 2007 Liberty Limited 2wd about two months ago, and I drive it all the time, just feel more comfortable in it. In fact, went out and bought my own Liberty, a 4wd stripper stick shift. Yes, I looked at Nissan and Toyota, but, not even taking into account their outrageous prices, I just couldn't feel comfortable driving one of them, don't know why, but something is ingrained in me.

Well, I d own a Nikon camera, but when was the last time anyone bought a made-in-U.S. camera?

LoganSix · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 11:20 am

I read somewhere, don't have it handy, that the majority of Jeep Compass buyers are trading in Hondas and Toyotas.

So, Honda didn't build a Jeep, Jeep built a Honda. The more someone drives a Jeep, then the better chance is they will drive another Jeep. The more Jeeps purchased, the more money to improving the next generation Jeep.

If Honda built a Jeep like vehicle, I still wouldn't buy it, because it would be built off of a car platform, just like the CR-V, Pilot, Ridgeline, and Element.

jevbuster · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 11:26 am

I think if Honda made a Jeep we would loose head room and gain gas mileage. Basically we would have a 4 wheeling clown car that gets 40mpg. highway.

priell3 · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 12:21 pm

My father has a Subaru Forester, my brother a new RAV4. I don't go near either one of them if I can help it. Never been in the RAV4. My sis-in-law drives a work supplied XJ so it isn't all that bad!

performancechef · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 3:25 pm

LoganSix wrote:

I read somewhere, don't have it handy, that the majority of Jeep Compass buyers are trading in Hondas and Toyotas.

So, Honda didn't build a Jeep, Jeep built a Honda. The more someone drives a Jeep, then the better chance is they will drive another Jeep. The more Jeeps purchased, the more money to improving the next generation Jeep.

If Honda built a Jeep like vehicle, I still wouldn't buy it, because it would be built off of a car platform, just like the CR-V, Pilot, Ridgeline, and Element.

right, because your kj is a cab over frame "TRUCK" right? look under and you'll see a unit body with a front cradle assembly. looks just like the pilot to me. - minus the solid axel. I read somewhere the moon landing was staged in a hollywood studio. I would love nothing more then for honda to build an off road vehicle. It would do everything it was DESIGNED to do and it would do it exceptionaly well. Look at all of the design limitations of the KJ, can't lift it easily, can't put substantialy larger tires on it, crap fleet type tires are OEM, can't lock the front diff without having a spare lying around, BALL JOINTS! and the related dangers and hassles that took 4 years to be addressed. Yep that all sounds great, what do you think the KJ was actualy designed for that the CR-V can't do. Seems like going off road was an after thought at the board meeting that day. Also look at the crap after market following for the KJ, news flash, the majority of KJ owners don't go off road! Even suzuki and hyundai SUV's have SFA kits available for models that have been out about as long as the KJ. Hmm, whats with that? Too many people running thier mouths about... "i 'm going to do that to my truck" but when it comes to shelling out the cash, they all scatter like roaches. And they are too lazy and ignorant to take a break from reading dumb statistics on blogs to pick up some tools and actualy do somthing different. Nope, instead you find them on web boards mocking everything that is different and telling others "IT CAN"T BE DONE"

jcphoto20 · **Joined:** Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:36 am **Posts:** 507

wow, a lotta people just wanna argue.

to those that have some hatred of japan going on. good for you, and please keep supporting your president too. you obviously voted for him. LOL.

you crack me up.

sleeve84028 · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 3:45 pm

LoganSix wrote:

I read somewhere, don't have it handy, that the majority of Jeep Compass buyers are trading in Hondas and Toyotas.

So, Honda didn't build a Jeep, Jeep built a Honda. The more someone drives a Jeep, then the better chance is they will drive another Jeep. The more Jeeps purchased, the more money to improving the next generation Jeep.

The Detroit news did an article on this. I posted an excript and a link down in the MK section of the boards. IIRC 89% of all [new to Jeep] Compass owners are from the Toyota / Honda crowd.

unixxx · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 10:08 pm

The Jeep Liberty doesn't share a platform with any other vehicles and actually utilizes a uniframe construction with distinctive frame rails. Every limitation of the KJ listed is related to the front suspension, which works flawlessly for 99.999% of buyers. Lift kit companies focus on one vehicle brand; all of the Jeep lift kit companies focus on the Wrangler because it's the most popular Jeep. I'm not going to even humor an off-road comparison of the Liberty to a vehicle without a transfer case. I've never once heard a Liberty owners say something can't be done. Liberty owners are the ones prototyping the solid front axles, snorkels, bumpers, and computers.

performancechef wrote:

right, because your kj is a cab over frame "TRUCK" right? look under and you'll see a unit body with a front cradle assembly. looks just like the pilot to me. - minus the solid axel. I read somewhere the moon landing was staged in a hollywood studio. I would love nothing more then for honda to build an off road vehicle. It would do everything it was DESIGNED to do and it would do it exceptionaly well. Look at all of the design limitations of the KJ, can't lift it easily, can't put substantialy larger tires on it, crap fleet type tires are OEM, can't lock the front diff without having a spare lying around, BALL JOINTS! and the related dangers and hassles that took 4 years to be addressed. Yep that all sounds great, what do you think the KJ was actualy designed for that the CR-V can't do. Seems like going off road was an after thought at the board meeting that day. Also look at the crap after market following for the KJ, news flash, the majority of KJ owners don't go off road! Even suzuki and hyundai SUV's have SFA kits available for models that have been out about as long as the KJ. Hmm, whats with that? Too many people running thier mouths about... "i 'm going to do that to my truck" but when it comes to shelling out the cash, they all scatter like roaches. And they are too lazy and ignorant to take a break from reading dumb statistics on blogs to pick up some tools and actualy do somthing different. Nope, instead you find them on web boards mocking everything that is different and telling others "IT CAN"T BE DONE"

paullgj · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 11:25 pm

It would be auto trans., some kind of single speed viscous drive transfer case. I need a vehicle, not for desert rock crawling, but for ranch and back roads in Mexico and Guatemala. These start out (sometimes) half decent, but degenerate rapidly into nasty rocky/muddy/rutted washouts. A stck shift is a must for mountains, both ascent and descent. So, let's see what's available for SUV's sold in the U.S.

In 1978 - no problem. Went into the local Chevrolet dealer, haggled for a bit, and came out with a full-size Blazer, two speed transfer case, skid plates,
HD granny 4 speed, and locking rear end, spare tire mounted inside (Oh, and 8-10 mpg). Fast forward to 2007 - what's out there? A Tahoe that starts at $40,000, running boards, auto everythimg, and a front bumper that's four inches off the ground? Toyota? 4-Runner, $35,000, again auto everything, again running boards, and the spare tire mounted underneath where it would get destroyed in no time under the conditions I described above.

Maybe Nissan has an SUV with a stick shift, but at an astronomical price. So, I bought a new 2007 Liberty 4wd 6 speed for $18,000. It is, quite simply, the best SUV out there for someone who traverses bad roads (Wrangler excluded of course). Yes, I'm probably going to have to put some money into it - a first class Frankenlift, and a gear-based Detroit True Trac in the rear.

The transmission, by the way, has a very tight Germanic feel to it (is it made by Getrag?). Snick, snick, snick, like a BMW. I don't think Honda even offers a stick-shift in the U.S. As I indicated above, my wife owned a CRV for ten years - reliable, but an outing to the beach would be pushing it. I've driven friends' Toyota Tacomas and don't like the sloppy shift pattern of their six-speeds.

The Liberty is fine for me. Just hope it stays that way, an off road vehicle.

Rusty the Scoob · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2007 7:41 am

tommudd wrote:

Oh yes by the way from all the educated ones on here who remember history lessons a few years ago and telling me how many parts on my Harley are made in Japan or oversees...just how many parts from oversees are there on my :wink:

................................... 1948 Harley panhead ??? Not everyone has new toys that was made in the last two / three years.

How many parts from oversees are on my 49 Ford 4 door with a flathead? Tires maybe as I did update to Firestone radials
Now I will give you that a lot of parts on the Liberty and even my 95 Cherokee have them but most of my toys do not contain oversees parts. they are just too old to have stuff from over there! Oh well :roll:

Oh yes by the way I do like to stir things/people up every now and again, its the only way to get them to think outside the box

Your last sentence is highly ironic since you are thinking completely inside the box.

So Toyota is a Japanese name... how many US investors do you suppose own stock in it? Would you like to buy some? Check out "TM" on the New York Stock Exchange. It closed last night at $121.80 per share. Want some of Honda? It's currently at $34.24. Go ahead. You, an American Citizen, can become a part owner of either company today if you'd like.

Chrysler, on the other hand, is now 80.01% in the hands of a handful of individual investors. Want to buy some shares? Tough luck. Do you really think those rich guys give a darn about you other than as a potential customer of their product?

Brand names are becoming commodities in this era. They no longer have the meaning that they had in the 50's.

LiLredLibby · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2007 9:48 am

JohnnyCash wrote:

I was reading a forum last night where people had Honda's going 300,000 to 500,000 miles with basically no problems.

What do you think would happen if a company with Honda's quality copied the Jeep Wrangler but had Honda's transmission and engine and reputation?

Would Jeep even have a chance?

I know I'm on a Jeep lovers site, but if they were similarly priced I would go for the Honda in a heartbeat.

Well...I keep closing and opening my eyes,hoping this thread will go away.NO OFFENSE Johnny Cash,but I had no idea that a thread like this, with such useless meaning,would or even could,make seven pages of past time.Since I'm already here,I might as well.......IMO....JEEP was founded on American ideas and technology.Does'nt or should'nt really matter who "Owns" controling intrest in the company.My wife works for Mitsubishi here in Mason Ohio(Corprate Office),and while I don't generaly support their products,If people in the US are going to buy their products,then she'll continue to gladly accept american money for her wages.I'm with Tommud on this one...If I can buy American,I will....And I think what Tommud was refering to,Rusty the Scoob,was that everyone forgot that at one time you could buy a product built and assymbled totaly in the USA,thus mentioning his 48 and 49 year models,kind of took things out of that "Box".

Ron

performancechef · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2007 10:31 am

unixxx wrote:

The Jeep Liberty doesn't share a platform with any other vehicles and actually utilizes a uniframe construction with distinctive frame rails. Every limitation of the KJ listed is related to the front suspension, which works flawlessly for 99.999% of buyers. Lift kit companies focus on one vehicle brand; all of the Jeep lift kit companies focus on the Wrangler because it's the most popular Jeep. I'm not going to even humor an off-road comparison of the Liberty to a vehicle without a transfer case. I've never once heard a Liberty owners say something can't be done. Liberty owners are the ones prototyping the solid front axles, snorkels, bumpers, and computers.

good point about the wrangler. I was not comparing off road capabilities of the CRV to the KJ, mearly the capabilities for which both were PRIMARILY designed for, and what most people use them for, driving on road. As for the 99.999% of all KJ front end suspensions "working flawlessly", what blog did you get that stat from? i was under the impression that ALL KJs were RECALLED for ball joint failure. I guess thats not a big deal though. Done and moving on.

unixxx · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2007 12:53 pm

The point of the recall was to keep the suspension working flawlessly. It was a preventative measure. How many actually failed before and after the recall?

performancechef wrote:

good point about the wrangler. I was not comparing off road capabilities of the CRV to the KJ, mearly the capabilities for which both were PRIMARILY designed for, and what most people use them for, driving on road. As for the 99.999% of all KJ front end suspensions "working flawlessly", what blog did you get that stat from? i was under the impression that ALL KJs were RECALLED for ball joint failure. I guess thats not a big deal though. Done and moving on.

We are the customers. Isn't that the point? Chrysler would die if investors didn't purchase it. No one is going to run a company if it doesn't make money. We wouldn't even have cars without those "rich guys."

Rusty the Scoob wrote:

Chrysler, on the other hand, is now 80.01% in the hands of a handful of individual investors. Want to buy some shares? Tough luck. Do you really think those rich guys give a darn about you other than as a potential customer of their product?

jcphoto20 · **Joined:** Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:36 am **Posts:** 507

there was absolutely nothing wrong with my original 02 ball joints when i finally submitted and let them change them a few months ago for their last recall.

so in my situation, there was no recall necessary.

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