Talked to Mercedes Emissions Engineer

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:10 pm

spencevans wrote:

Part of me says, why do we even try to reduce emmisions. The last time I checked one stupid, yet delicious cow, emits as much harmful polution into the atmosphere as 300 cars. These suckers poop 150lbs of crap a day. That's a whole Back Street Boy. Automobiles are not the problem with polution IMO. It's the cows. We should kill them all and put them in my freezer.

I need to find this source again.....but this was the jist of it.

A 2006 petrol honda puts out more particulat emissions from the tires wearing over 50,000 miles, than the engine does.

California already has lawn mower emissions requires, I have no idea how that works.

I also came across another factoid a while back, driving your 1987 suv into aspen and back from denver, puts out just as many emissions as running your lawn mower for 30 mins.

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:01 pm

Which means we could help the environment by putting large boulders where our grass grows and go Rock Krawling in our front yards.

Cowcatcher · **Posted:** Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:40 pm

spencevans wrote:

Part of me says, why do we even try to reduce emmisions. The last time I checked one stupid, yet delicious cow, emits as much harmful polution into the atmosphere as 300 cars. These suckers poop 150lbs of crap a day. That's a whole Back Street Boy. Automobiles are not the problem with polution IMO. It's the cows. We should kill them all and put them in my freezer.

Ahhhhhhhh...I am not sure if I should take this standing up! :roll:

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:43 pm

Cowcatcher wrote:

spencevans wrote:

Part of me says, why do we even try to reduce emmisions. The last time I checked one stupid, yet delicious cow, emits as much harmful polution into the atmosphere as 300 cars. These suckers poop 150lbs of crap a day. That's a whole Back Street Boy. Automobiles are not the problem with polution IMO. It's the cows. We should kill them all and put them in my freezer.

Ahhhhhhhh...I am not sure if I should take this standing up! :roll:

I like cows though, I am willing to put up with all that stink cause I love steak so much.

I dont want to live near a feedlot though.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:44 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

Which means we could help the environment by putting large boulders where our grass grows and go Rock Krawling in our front yards.

yes, I hate grass. Im going to strip my backyard.

Or basically just stop watering it and let it die.

Hello flagstone.

chrispitude · **Posted:** Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:17 pm

Sir Sam wrote:

yes, I hate grass. Im going to strip my backyard.

Or basically just stop watering it and let it die.

Grass for grass-haters:

Prairie Nursery No-Mow Mix

Takes more effort to get it established, but is low- or no-maintenance once established. If you're looking for a golf course lawn, this grass is not for you.

- Chris

Cowcatcher · **Posted:** Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:46 pm

So I wonder if my lawn mower or my cows are the greater villan? If I mow the lawn with the cows is that better or worse? I suppose better since the cows will do their thing whether on pasture or grass. It might put a crimp on going barefoot though. :lol:

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:46 pm

Cowcatcher wrote:

So I wonder if my lawn mower or my cows are the greater villan? If I mow the lawn with the cows is that better or worse? I suppose better since the cows will do their thing whether on pasture or grass. It might put a crimp on going barefoot though. :lol:

cows will also self fertilize the grass.

I think the problem is you would need alot of grass to make that work

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:50 pm

chrispitude wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

yes, I hate grass. Im going to strip my backyard.

Or basically just stop watering it and let it die.

Grass for grass-haters:

Prairie Nursery No-Mow Mix

Takes more effort to get it established, but is low- or no-maintenance once established. If you're looking for a golf course lawn, this grass is not for you.

- Chris

Im looking for something that doesnt require any water to look good. Like rock. Or Cactii.

I dont use grass for anything, it only costs me money to maintain, or looks bad if I dont.

Zero scape all the way.

Jeger · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:40 am

Ummm...astroturf your yard....

No, Im serious

http://www.foreverlawninc.com/

spencevans · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:49 pm

I think the point is, we need to kill all the cows and put them in my freezer. HMMM. Sorry cowcatcher.

nursecosmo · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:18 pm

There is no definitive research to show that Nox is harmful to the environment. But the US government wants to limit it anyway possibly because it causes more petroleum to be burnt up through EGR systems, lower MPG = more taxes. what has been demonstrated is that CO2 causes global warming. If I can decrease total petroleum usage by 15-20% in my jeep by disabling the EGR then I am making a definite contribution the the environment because that is 15-20% less CO2 (not to mention the decrease in particulate emissions). If I use Biodiesel I am producing zero new CO2. The moral of this story; disabling the EGR is good for the planet and bad for the super polluting oil industry as well as the politicians who receive their paychecks from them.

KJMedic · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:20 pm

What happened to the liberal talkers here on this one they sure clammed up quick.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:09 pm

KJMedic wrote:

What happened to the liberal talkers here on this one they sure clammed up quick.

I still see what I consider to be liberal viewpoints being thrown all over the place. Shift your paradigm.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:17 pm

Guys let's leave the politic's out of the discussion, I don't like deleting threads.

chadhargis · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:13 pm

Amen...three things you should never talk about. Sex, religion, or politics.

I learned the hard way as I was screwing the preachers daughter but dumped her because she was a liberal. LOL!

oldnavy · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:39 pm

chadhargis wrote:

Amen...three things you should never talk about. Sex, religion, or politics.

I learned the hard way as I was screwing the preachers daughter but dumped her because she was a liberal. LOL!

Strike one dude.

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

I'd guess a good 50% of the people who bought CRD's did so for environmental reasons. So I guess those folks are not welcome on the forum?

Reflex · **Joined:** Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:48 pm **Posts:** 567

Threeweight wrote:

I'd guess a good 50% of the people who bought CRD's did so for environmental reasons. So I guess those folks are not welcome on the forum?

No kidding.

Reflex · **Joined:** Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:48 pm **Posts:** 567

nursecosmo wrote:

There is no definitive research to show that Nox is harmful to the environment. But the US government wants to limit it anyway possibly because it causes more petroleum to be burnt up through EGR systems, lower MPG = more taxes. what has been demonstrated is that CO2 causes global warming. If I can decrease total petroleum usage by 15-20% in my jeep by disabling the EGR then I am making a definite contribution the the environment because that is 15-20% less CO2 (not to mention the decrease in particulate emissions). If I use Biodiesel I am producing zero new CO2. The moral of this story; disabling the EGR is good for the planet and bad for the super polluting oil industry as well as the politicians who receive their paychecks from them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_oxide#NOx

Please keep in mind that NOx has been studied as a pollutant for far more than vehicles, and yes it is fairly conclusive. Real world examples are easily found, power plants in China have nearly zero NOx controls and have massive amounts of acid rain and smog surrounding them, while in the US since we cleaned up NOx output such problems have largly dissapeared. It is not in debate.

Oddly enough, CO2 is *not* proven to cause global warming, that much is still very much in debate. Major problems with the theory abound. I do believe in global warming, but its not nearly as 'proven' as NOx is as an atmospheric contaminent.

I have addressed your statements on BioDiesel in the Alternative Fuels forum, btw, and will not rehash them here.

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