California CRD's

Billnis · **Posted:** Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:58 pm

I was wondering how many CRD owners on here live in CA? It seems that anybody I talk to seems suprised that I have a California registered KJ CRD.

Bill Nissley
2005 Limited Dk Red CRD

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:16 pm

05 CRD with colorado plates on it in Alta Dena CA

bugnout · **Posted:** Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:26 pm

The reason everyone is surprised is that supposedly, MA, NY and CA did not allow DC to sell Diesels new.

BCool · **Posted:** Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:49 pm

i'm here

TDI4BY · **Joined:** Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:56 pm **Posts:** 644

I was wondering if they bring more money used because they were never available new? Might be a good place for me to sell mine.

cumminspilot · **Posted:** Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:59 pm

one in san diego

loyalp · **Joined:** Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:21 pm **Posts:** 41

Here in Orange County.

RedStapler · **Joined:** Fri May 11, 2007 10:04 am **Posts:** 77

You can't get a new light duty diesel in CA car or SUV, but you can register a used one with >7500mi on the odometer.

The stupid thing is that you can get a 7000lb, 5.7-7.3L engined pickup new as there is a giant loophole for "commercial" vehicles. Never mind that 80-90% of 1 Ton Diesel P/U sales in CA are to drugstore cowboys.

I suspect we would have more small diesels like the CRD and 1.9 VW available in the US if the California Air Resources Board did not prohibit them. With a good chunk of the auto buying US closed by fiat (the CARB states) its hard to make a business case for a small diesel.

For years there has been something of a cottage industry of people in OR (no sales tax, cheap tags) who buy a VW TDI, drive it for 8k miles and sell it into CA for sticker or more. You could do in in NV or AZ, but the sales tax hit makes it less attractive. Living in Reno I may do it myself next year when the new TDIs come out.

As long as we have 45 state diesels this will regulatory arbitrage will continue.

JJsTJ · **Posted:** Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:32 pm

Don't have a CRD but we sure could use some in the So-Cal based, KJ WEST club and would love to see them out on the trails! :wink:

flatfender · **Posted:** Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:55 am

I am also a So Cal so Oc owner . I brought mine in from Missouri only minor quirks so far 8000 + miles knock on wood going on second oil change.

Frankenlift OME 2"spring only.
AFE A/F,02/03 A/B
Scangauge
Dynomax 2.5"
Moabs with toyo open countrys 245/75/16
fumoto
Provent CCV filter
Dipricol Gauges EGT,TRANs temp,Boost
Diesel Power Module.
Rotella 5-40 syn @ 8000 M intervals.

grywlfbg · **Posted:** Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:32 pm

Yep. One here in the Bay Area. My Mother-in-law bought it new in OK, drove it out to Cali and after putting 7,500 miles on it xferred the reg to us.

People here are VERY surprised that Jeep makes/made a diesel Libby (at my biodiesel co-op it mostly old MB's, a few newer VW's, a diesel Toureg :drool:, and our Libby). Let's hope the new batch of 50-state diesels will be coming out in '09 as promised. I've been trying to talk the wife into a CRD Grand Cherokee but she thinks they're too big and we'd have to go throug the same hassle to bring one in.

Been running B99 since it came to Cali and still had an EGR failure at 13.5K. 33K on it now. Did the ORM around 31K so hopefully that will help.

Have had all the recalls done and tranny seems to be holding up well. Planning to send the ECU to inmotion once the credit card cools down from summer vacation.

Other than tranny fears I think she'll run forever.

0311_DoC · **Posted:** Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:11 am

JJsKJ wrote:

Don't have a CRD but we sure could use some in the So-Cal based, KJ WEST club and would love to see them out on the trails! :wink:

workin on it :wink:

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:28 am

grywlfbg wrote:

People here are VERY surprised that Jeep makes/made a diesel Libby (at my biodiesel co-op it mostly old MB's, a few newer VW's, a diesel Toureg :drool:, and our Libby). Let's hope the new batch of 50-state diesels will be coming out in '09 as promised. I've been trying to talk the wife into a CRD Grand Cherokee but she thinks they're too big and we'd have to go throug the same hassle to bring one in.

Been running B99 since it came to Cali and still had an EGR failure at 13.5K. 33K on it now. Did the ORM around 31K so hopefully that will help.

I've read BIO is a big no no on the next gen TDI as the rail pressure is 30,000 PSI :shock:

The highter pressure results in highter temps causing it to "cook" messing up things good :cry:

Most people here in Ohio where they were sold didn't know one was available eather

UFO · **Posted:** Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:17 pm

Joe Romas wrote:

grywlfbg wrote:

People here are VERY surprised that Jeep makes/made a diesel Libby (at my biodiesel co-op it mostly old MB's, a few newer VW's, a diesel Toureg :drool:, and our Libby). Let's hope the new batch of 50-state diesels will be coming out in '09 as promised. I've been trying to talk the wife into a CRD Grand Cherokee but she thinks they're too big and we'd have to go throug the same hassle to bring one in.

Been running B99 since it came to Cali and still had an EGR failure at 13.5K. 33K on it now. Did the ORM around 31K so hopefully that will help.

I've read BIO is a big no no on the next gen TDI as the rail pressure is 30,000 PSI :shock:

The highter pressure results in highter temps causing it to "cook" messing up things good :cry:

Most people here in Ohio where they were sold didn't know one was available eather

Higher pressure won't increase the temperature. Maybe you are thinking of pressurizing air, but the heat comes from reducing the volume; liquids do not compress.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:06 pm

UFO wrote:

Joe Romas wrote:

grywlfbg wrote:

People here are VERY surprised that Jeep makes/made a diesel Libby (at my biodiesel co-op it mostly old MB's, a few newer VW's, a diesel Toureg :drool:, and our Libby). Let's hope the new batch of 50-state diesels will be coming out in '09 as promised. I've been trying to talk the wife into a CRD Grand Cherokee but she thinks they're too big and we'd have to go throug the same hassle to bring one in.

Been running B99 since it came to Cali and still had an EGR failure at 13.5K. 33K on it now. Did the ORM around 31K so hopefully that will help.

I've read BIO is a big no no on the next gen TDI as the rail pressure is 30,000 PSI :shock:

The highter pressure results in highter temps causing it to "cook" messing up things good :cry:

Most people here in Ohio where they were sold didn't know one was available eather

Higher pressure won't increase the temperature. Maybe you are thinking of pressurizing air, but the heat comes from reducing the volume; liquids do not compress.

So if that's the case why are we having trouble with air in the fuel in our CRD's seperating at 23000 psi :?:

A partial cure is to add a fuel cooler for us :!:

Sorry but I've read this in a automitive trade magazine :lol:

UFO · **Posted:** Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:40 pm

Joe Romas wrote:

UFO wrote:

Joe Romas wrote:

I've read BIO is a big no no on the next gen TDI as the rail pressure is 30,000 PSI :shock:

The highter pressure results in highter temps causing it to "cook" messing up things good :cry:

Most people here in Ohio where they were sold didn't know one was available eather

Higher pressure won't increase the temperature. Maybe you are thinking of pressurizing air, but the heat comes from reducing the volume; liquids do not compress.

So if that's the case why are we having trouble with air in the fuel in our CRD's seperating at 23000 psi :?:

A partial cure is to add a fuel cooler for us :!:

Sorry but I've read this in a automitive trade magazine :lol:

That doesn't make any sense. Air in fuel will not separate at high pressure, in fact the opposite happens. Do you have any idea how how hot your fuel would have to get at 23,000 psi to boil out???

And I have not yet understood the rationale for installing a fuel cooler either. Cooling the fuel may help with the poorly designed filter head, but the core issue is air leaks. The real solution is a better fuel head; barring that, a pusher pump and an air bleed like Mercedes.

How does biodiesel fit in with these issues? I've heard some crackpot theories about high percentages of biodiesel in common rail engines, but no facts or data.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:33 pm

UFO wrote:

Joe Romas wrote:

UFO wrote:

Joe Romas wrote:

I've read BIO is a big no no on the next gen TDI as the rail pressure is 30,000 PSI :shock:

The highter pressure results in highter temps causing it to "cook" messing up things good :cry:

Most people here in Ohio where they were sold didn't know one was available eather

Higher pressure won't increase the temperature. Maybe you are thinking of pressurizing air, but the heat comes from reducing the volume; liquids do not compress.

So if that's the case why are we having trouble with air in the fuel in our CRD's seperating at 23000 psi :?:

A partial cure is to add a fuel cooler for us :!:

Sorry but I've read this in a automitive trade magazine :lol:

That doesn't make any sense. Air in fuel will not separate at high pressure, in fact the opposite happens. Do you have any idea how how hot your fuel would have to get at 23,000 psi to boil out???

And I have not yet understood the rationale for installing a fuel cooler either. Cooling the fuel may help with the poorly designed filter head, but the core issue is air leaks. The real solution is a better fuel head; barring that, a pusher pump and an air bleed like Mercedes.

How does biodiesel fit in with these issues? I've heard some crackpot theories about high percentages of biodiesel in common rail engines, but no facts or data.

UFO

Here's a thread about this over on the tdi club. Read it for yourself then argue with them :wink:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.ph ... 772&page=7

onthehunt · **Posted:** Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:14 pm

Quote:

And I have not yet understood the rationale for installing a fuel cooler either. Cooling the fuel may help with the poorly designed filter head, but the core issue is air leaks.

I agree. We just simply need a fuel system that doesn't leak. It's tough to do with a stock set-up without voiding your warranty.

UFO · **Posted:** Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:42 pm

Joe Romas wrote:

UFO

Here's a thread about this over on the tdi club. Read it for yourself then argue with them :wink:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.ph ... 772&page=7

Thanks for that link. As far as I can tell, after reading and adding my $0.02, there is one guy there who makes the claim biodiesel breaks down under pressure, but he's got no evidence and a serious anti-biodiesel bias. The one graph supposedly showing biodiesel oxidizing at high pressure/temperature was done under an oxygen atmoshpere. Since the auto-ignition point of biodiesel is higher than that of diesel fuel, under the same conditions, diesel #2 would actually burn up. Conditions inside a common rail are different in that there is no oxygen present.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:57 pm

UFO wrote:

Joe Romas wrote:

UFO

Here's a thread about this over on the tdi club. Read it for yourself then argue with them :wink:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.ph ... 772&page=7

Thanks for that link. As far as I can tell, after reading and adding my $0.02, there is one guy there who makes the claim biodiesel breaks down under pressure, but he's got no evidence and a serious anti-biodiesel bias. The one graph supposedly showing biodiesel oxidizing at high pressure/temperature was done under an oxygen atmoshpere. Since the auto-ignition point of biodiesel is higher than that of diesel fuel, under the same conditions, diesel #2 would actually burn up. Conditions inside a common rail are different in that there is no oxygen present.

My son in law untill a month ago was a detroit diesel mechanic for our local transit authority. The big wigs got on a publicity kick and switched to B100. We grow a lot of soybeans in Ohio. The long and short of it is they can't get injectors fast enough and the fuel system warranty they paid extra for is voided. When I was shopping for my CRD the salesman at the largest jeep dealer in town told me the soy bean marketer's association bought two CRDs and in his words "used the wrong kind and had to have the tanks drained". My guess is they put in B100 in the winter. Don't get me wrong I'm all for BIO but there are too many unknowns with high common rail pressures, expensive single source parts, design problems we're seeing and also many if not most of us are still under warranty :roll:

If it were a $5k beater I picked up that would be a different story

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