Agreed!

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'07 Ltd 3.7L, Black, OME HD's, OME shocks, Mopar Skids, AEV Bridgers w/ TPMS, Kumho KL78's, ARB Bumper, KC 130 Watters, Warn M8000 Winch, Rock Lizard Gecko Roof Basket KC 150 watters, Cobra 75WSX, 3 ft FireFly, RL Super Step Skinks

I guess I just look at things a bit differently than some of you. I look for any excuse to get out and wheel. I've done many similar events and haven't ever had anyone suggest I subsidize their build. I always have to pick and choose who can attend because if I don't, the event gets far too large to handle. I usually have far too many people wanting to go than we can handle on the trail. Magazine coverage is decent but, in this case, the story is about Chrysler, not Eaton/Detoit Locker.
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone with my offer. I simply wanted to offer someone a chance to tag along with some different wheelers, maybe run an area that was new to them, show Chrysler that it's not just Wranglers out on the trail and maybe get their pic in a magazine.

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The internet isn't all rumor and innuendo, it just seems that way!

No offense is taken. Just please call this what it is. An advertising excursion for DC and Eaton. You wish to gain coverage to promote sales of your products.

I, and I think Nobody, have any issue with that. However when it is presented the way it was, some of us are smart enough to see through that. And yes I would, if i had the rig and was close, love to take the oppertunity to do the run.

When presented with the strick list of guidelines and the assumption that you have to have oversized rubber in order to attend, with out knowing about the KJ's SFA or lack there of, issue, just rubs KJ owners the wrong way.

we all know what the KJ can do with it's limitations. We would all LOVE to see further modifactations out there for our model jeep. I think we are just frustrated because not enough companies are willing to look in our direction. Besides, most people, not all, who have made the imvestment on making their rigs beefier have chose a competitors product because they seam to be better and more understanding and have more mods for the KJ.

besides, if this is for DC, why limit the lockers to JUST yours? Why not highlight all manufacturers of mods for the KJ and other Jeeps?

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'07 Ltd 3.7L, Black, OME HD's, OME shocks, Mopar Skids, AEV Bridgers w/ TPMS, Kumho KL78's, ARB Bumper, KC 130 Watters, Warn M8000 Winch, Rock Lizard Gecko Roof Basket KC 150 watters, Cobra 75WSX, 3 ft FireFly, RL Super Step Skinks

Remarks like that is why nobody is going any farther with the aftermarket for the KJ.I would love to go,just for the trail ride.It's hard enough to get any one of those big manufactures to even look at a KJ for products so we should jump on any chance we can to show them what the KJ can do.

If I was allowed to go I would,but being in the process of being medically boarded so I can't.For nothing else I would go just to run some good trails and meet some new poeple along the way.You knows maybe make some valuable contacts in high places that can become very good in the future with future mods.

Plus it's there trail run they get to set the rules,and it so happens they are Detriot/Eaton so I would expect them to require one of there LSD/lockers to be on the vehicle,kinda reverse marketing for them if all there trail vehicles had ARB's instead of Detriot lockers.

You didn't offend anyone.

Most of us would LOVE to join your excursion. It's just not easy for this run since the first minimum requirement is 33" tires. Please keep the KJ crowd, and the LOST KJ group in particular, in mind when you set up other runs.

Keep us posted!

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I would love to go but am stock except for tires and the tires I have aren't 33's. Also no locker.

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Dave

'06 CRD Limited, Lt. Khaki, MOPAR Slush Mats/Skids, DrawTite Front Hitch, Mag Lite, Yakima Bars, Thule Bike Rack, Fumoto, ORM, 245/70 Revo 2

Wish list: Lift, Boulder Bars, Something Bigger in the Front and Back, More Lights

tjkj,

I beg to differ. I don't think my comments or any other like the ones before where LOST members explained about the lack of a SFA, will influence any companies desire to make money. QUITE the opposite. Companies are going to produce parts for our KJ's on the basis of potential sales. And with Chrysler discontinuing the KJ body style and line up they way they have, is only going to make things tougher to get designed and made and tested and put on the market.

I drove XJ's for years and was asking about aftermarket parts long ago and found this out. then as XJ's became greater in numbers and they stopped looking at the cherokee as the red headed step child of the cj and the wrangler, more comapnies began to take notice. now they have parts all over the place. That may never happen for the KJ because:

A. they don't understand the capabilities of the vehicle. (demanding the 33" tires is a classic point)
B. Not as many of them on the road as the CJ, XJ and the wranlers. Simple math. 8 million or so (what ever the actual number is doesn't matter) on the road versus 20 or more million of the thers. Guess where they are going to spend their money in R&D?

Now with Chrysler's decision to end the KJ, what is on the road is only going to decline in numbers.

I just don't apprieciate a big company comming and offering a shot in a magazine as the opportunity to show off something they could care less about. And then tell us that it is all about Chrysler and not Detroit Locker, which begs my last question, why limit it to just Detroit locker? why not any company willing to help showcase the capabilities of the Chrysler/Jeep line?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

Guys like you and Marty are our only hope. The passion for the KJ will be carried on by the one man shop that wants what we can't get from the big companies. That is way cool.

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'07 Ltd 3.7L, Black, OME HD's, OME shocks, Mopar Skids, AEV Bridgers w/ TPMS, Kumho KL78's, ARB Bumper, KC 130 Watters, Warn M8000 Winch, Rock Lizard Gecko Roof Basket KC 150 watters, Cobra 75WSX, 3 ft FireFly, RL Super Step Skinks

If any company is basing entire product lines based on "remarks like that" they would be foolish.



Nobody disputes that you want to go. I want to go. But then, look at the "minimum requirement". To me it just isn't reasonable to expect 33" on KJ's without serious mod (which, by the way, aren't widely or easily available. Gee. Surprise).

So, to be making demands with respect to minimum requirements and dangling no carrots ... that is just plain silly.



There are good trails everywhere ... good people everywhere.



So ... you're looking for the dangling carrot, too?

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DIRTY KJ :: flickr photostream
"Primitive life is very common and intelligent life is fairly rare ... some would say it has yet to occur on Earth" --- Stephen Hawking

You must like carrots ,I don't that's why I'm wearing glasses .

I was just stating that going wheeling with these bigger companies can be good,and as far as needing 33" tires most poeple that never seen a KJ wheel wouldn't know that you can't fit one on a KJ without doing a SFA swap,but requiring something from there company on your vehicle I can understand.

i could if the trail ride was for their company. but they already stated its for chrysler and not detroit locker. So if its not for detroit then why does it have to be made by them?

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2004 Liberty Renegade
Silver, loaded
Full skid plates
255/65/16 yokohama Geolander A/T-S
Tow hooks
Flowmaster super 44

Detriot/Eaton is setting up the event,as stated Chysler will be there with a built Commander it did for the SEMA show.

Now where did I put that dead horse? I know it's around here somewhere...

I think he understands by know this is a sore subject. Why are we beating each other up over it?

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-Gavin
2006 4x4 Sport ~ Dark Khaki
2.5" Rockfather II
Tow Hooks ~ HH Rear Hitch
Hella 500's

gwip Design

I'd love to come out to WA. I'll even install that new eLocker for the d30 and 8.25 diffs, Just let me know where I can buy them.

Eaton, Thanks for asking, you've come to the right place and I hope someone takes you up on your offer.

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2005 CRD "Ol' Blue"
Red Ryder carbine-action, two hundred shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time.
My build page- RL Komodo Rear and TJM Front Bumper, armored, lifted, JBA Steel D30, 4.10s and ARB air lockers.

The only way to get 33's on a libby is if it has done a SFA conversion.....

My libby is running on 30's, so I'm out.

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Neo Film + Video
http://www.neofilm.tv

2004 3.7L KJ
BFG AT's
ARB Bull Bar
Frankenlifted
Hella 500's
Mopar Skids

holy cow!!! i've never seen so much complaining about the kj actually getting off-road related attention! Everyone here is always looking for an oportunity for a magazine or aftermarket manuf. to see what the kj can do. Now that a high-profile event with manufacturers, sposored by chrysler, and guaranteed to be in magazines comes along, people complain about not getting compensated for it? how about supporting the kj community and doing your part to help the kj platform grow as a respected vehicle? hope i didnt offend anyone...

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02 Jeep Liberty - LOST Trail Tested Edition - sold
09 VW Tiguan 4motion - current

They are probably sponsoring it is why.

The guys running the Liberty platform at Chrysler know who we are and what we are doing, at least here in the Rockies. I have sent pictures upon their requests, and continue to e-mail a few individuals within the group.

I do not think Eato/Detroit wanted a fight. Hey, they came to us... And as Troy said, those not familiar with the KJ do not know that 32" is our max for tires. But, with creative lines, I know our group has tackled terrain on 31's and 32's that require minimum 33's and higher. I know Spring Creek here in Colorado is recomended 33's as minimum, bit I did it with 31's because of my approach and departure with marty's bumpers, but I am also locked in front and back as well, and one point I needed to be rocked off of a rock as I slid off my line, but no strap

Long and short, this was an offer, whether researched or not, it was an offer, not anvitation to a brawl.

Thanks for the offer Eaton, and I would go (got leave I need to burn), but I only have 31's and ARB's front and back, that and I can't afford to go home right now.

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I'm baaaaccckkk...
LOST Member 10
If you can read this you don't need glasses, go Wheel your Jeep!

well said.

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http://www.neofilm.tv

2004 3.7L KJ
BFG AT's
ARB Bull Bar
Frankenlifted
Hella 500's
Mopar Skids

Same here. But I would love to come and ride shotgun if possible. I could even be a designated photographer to make myself useful!

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2006 Limited 3.7L
OME Everything
245/75R16 Toyo ATs on Ultra type 51s
Mopar skids, Flowmaster 50 delta

Let's just end the back and forth stuff.


Mr. Eaton/Detroit Locker (How about a first name?),

FACT:

No company makes a commercial "off-road capable" lift for a KJ that allows 33" tires or bigger.

We have two SFA-converted KJ owners on here but they spent well over $10k for their conversions. One of the owners works for ARB.

You touched a sore spot for many because companies are not giving the KJ any respect as an off-road capable SUV so they don't make products for us.

Short notice event for many far away. That takes a lot of planning to take the time off so soon.

Only one LOST member had a lift big enough on his KJ to handle 33's. He designed and created it himself and then sold it. I believe it is around the East Coast states. His lift design is currently being reworked and tested.

Where is the former SEMA KJ and why not ask them to do the event? It was built up really nice but the lift was never introduced commercially.

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As I said in my previous post, bring an event to Colorado or to Moab and we will show you what the KJ can do, for JEEP...and/or for Eaton.

Come to our LOST Jeep Safari 2008 event held annually in Moab.

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2004 Renegade Light Khaki - 4" JBA Lift - Rock Lizard Products: Komodo Dragon Rear Bumper, Prototype Winch-mount Front Bumper, Super Skink Sliders - All J's Super Tranny Skid II - 31" Firestone Destination AT's on Moab wheels - Cobra 75W CB w/ stock Antenna mod

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