The good part about all the gearheads at this forum...when you DO run into a problem, you might get a better answer here than with your Service Advisor. It is not a bad thing to just turn the key and drive...as it is also not a bad thing to make your Jeep better than it was originally. Better can be anything from better speakers to a SunCoast TC ect. There are a lucky few that have had no problems yet and that is a good thing ...but there are many here that have had major problems, Lemon Lawed thier rides, Blown Engine (raises hand) ect. The forum is here for both...the Haves and the Have Nots.

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2006 CRD Sport
Mods: GDE Hot Tune w/ 364#@2000rpm/Air Box /3" Str8 Exhaust/ASFIR Alum Skids/245-75R-16 Cooper STT PRO/OME LIFT w/Clevis & 4 Spring Isos/AirTabs/Rigid 10" S2 LED/4xGuard Ctr Matrix Bumper
Drag Strip:Reac=.1078_60ft=2.224_1/8=10.39@64.8mph_1/4+16.46@80.8mph

I am of the opinion that it is NOT the lucky few who have had no problems, but rather the unlucky few who have had issues. If things are going well, I suspect, you don't hear about it. So that is why the list people with woes seems so long here. Who complains about good service?

Other than an EGR change (with CEL) at 10k, I have had no repairs beyond normal maint and recalls. I have about 56k and 2 1/2 years as both a daily driver and use for pleasure. I drive on dirt trails/logging roads for both my work and fly fishing and have found the Jeep to be up to the task. I do not rock climb, but have been on some deeply rutted and stair stepped tracks. I have driven the crd in deep snow and heavy rain and crossed small streams with about 12" of water. The key to this was the change out of the oem tires to Michelin LXT (the Jeep buyer who made the deal for the goodyears should be arrested for terminal stupidity) Last summer I took the car to northern quebec for a 1200 mile trip into the "wild" for a fly fishing expedition. I was the only one who did not have to purchase fuel from the outfitter in order to be able to make it out to the paved road (about 140 miles). In fact, one of the guys with an explorer had to buy gas twice.

I have also started the thing in -12F weather without the use of the plug in heater. I have seen the air filter issue, but I "fixed" the problem by just changing out the air filter if it seems real bad and am on a 12k change schedule, if not. I buy the air filters at a local chain on sale for about $ 12 and travel with a spare set of all 3 filters whenever I plan on extended trips off pavement.

I have, what I believe is a "good" dealer which also services alot of Dodge diesel trucks (that is one reason I bought it there). They have a few diesel mechanics who work on the crd and I have found them to be at at least competant. But, as I said I have not had any of the "goofy" issues noted by some so I don't know how they would be with a real problem. The service writers are less than stellar, but will try to assist, if possible.

However, I am a realist and understand that the Liberty is just a Jeep afterall. I do not expect it to go hundreds of thousands of miles, but (so far) it has given me good service and I will keep it beyond the 7/70 and see what happens. I normally keep my cars a long time and hope to be able to do that with the CRD as there is simply nothing to replace it with. I traded my XTERRA on the Jeep because I never got better than 17.5 mpg, so I regularly get 40% better mileage with the Jeep. However, I had a really good experience with the Nissan (75k only 1 repair beyond maint) and would certainly consider a change out if they make a diesel for USA use in the future.

Coming from the XJ world I fully expect, nay even demand, to get a 200-300k vehicle out of the CRD before needing major work(read drivetrain work). Anything less is completely unacceptable.

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"Its not about what you can DO with your Jeep, its about where you can GO with your Jeep."
Knowledgeable - But Caustic

You've seen those bumper stickers which read: "Ask me about my ___________", ?

Ask me about million mile Diesel engine service?

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'05 CRD Limited
Pricol EGT, Boost
GDE Hot '11; EDGE Trail switched
SEGR; Provent; Magnaflow;
Suncoast T\C, Transgo Tow'n'Go switch;
Cummins LP module, Fleetguard filter, Filterminder
2.5" Daystar f, OME r; Ranchos; K80767's, Al's lifted uppers
Rubicons, 2.55 Goodyears
Four in a row really makes it go

I also expect a few hundred thousand miles out of mine. But I'm not much of an off-roader, so I'm not terribly hard on it.

All that said, I agree with vtdog's sentiment. More telling is the satisfaction polls on this forum, for all the angst most of the people here really haven't had any serious problems, its just a few people who have either gotten a lemon, or who inflate minor problems into major ones.

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2006 Jeep Liberty Sport CRD

I agree.. Here here... A properly configured diesel ought to go a long, long way. My '93 4.0L Ranger has got 200k on it and it still runs like a top. It's not needed any real work done to it during its lifetime. If a '93 gas Ranger is going to get somewhere between 200 to 300k before major work, then that CRD should easily get that and more (contingent on being properly maintained and cared for). However, it is a DCX product...

Unfortunately, my 2005 CRD's ratio of in the shop vs. years of service (or mileage - take your pick) is making that Ranger look really good, even at it's old age. This freaking vehicle has to go see the doctor way WAY too often for a new vehicle. Recalls, TSB's, CSN's, Fuel filter heads, EGR's, EGR/FCV's, etc. etc. etc... Man the dealer ought to be paying me rent...

For those of you that haven't had problems... Well bully for you... You deserve a bozo-button. However, to suggest that problem CRD's are very rare is a little disingenuous. The tech's I've talked to suggest that the Laundry List is pretty common. They tend to shake their heads when I bring up this topic and say "It's too bad that DCX treated this vehicle as an experiment..."

The CRD has become a standing joke in my office. I frequently get ribbed and endure comment like “Man…, that jeep is in the shop again? When you going to get rid of that P.O.S.?” Not good for a new vehicle. Especially a diesel - which should be bullet proof.

I think some are confusing "expressed woes" with "the sky is falling comments". For the most part, owners are taking a calm approach to issues they are having and discussing the possible remedies. I do not think that the majority of CRD woners are ready to "get rid of" their CRDs and are instead trying to keep on top of things. For instance when it comes to oils, some take the approach that the suggested oil is the oil to go with...and that oil will most likely work fine. Is it the best oil choice? That is when the crowd splits into different camps and that is all good. I am a firm believer in Amsoil Products...there I said it. It comes from years of experience with VTS (Vehicle Testing Services), over 22 years of Diesel Truck experience (www,TexasDiscountMovers.com) and many years of racing experience in Go-Karts (piston port, rotary valve, reed valve and a little direct drive) and then with Mazda (sprints, 4 hour, 6 hour 12 hour and 24 hour races). I have seen what certain synthetics do on the track and on the dyno. Will I convince someone that the oil is better for street vehciles...maybe not but I believe that some are better than others.

The point is to respect everyones choices, understand some owners frustrations and expect the same in return. The big advantage of reading all the posts is that when the day comes that something happens to your CRD...you might already know the culprit

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2006 CRD Sport
Mods: GDE Hot Tune w/ 364#@2000rpm/Air Box /3" Str8 Exhaust/ASFIR Alum Skids/245-75R-16 Cooper STT PRO/OME LIFT w/Clevis & 4 Spring Isos/AirTabs/Rigid 10" S2 LED/4xGuard Ctr Matrix Bumper
Drag Strip:Reac=.1078_60ft=2.224_1/8=10.39@64.8mph_1/4+16.46@80.8mph

Since I got rid of the air in fuel bug in mine, it a keeper for sure. Instead of complaining that you have a P.O.S. try doing some of the fixes we have here on this fourm. I had the air in the fuel and trans shuttle from it since new. I fixed it with a lift pump. Jeep or the dealer not going to give us a lift pump so we have to fix it ourself. I'm not mad about it but very happy that my CRD runs better than it ever did from day one.

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2006 Black Jeep Liberty CRD Limited
K&N, Samco Hoses, Michelin 245/70-16 LTX A/T2, Fumoto F-102, V-Force Muffler, Mopar, Hitch, Trailer Wiring, Skid Plates, Slush Mats, Rear Shelf, Predator Stage 1, Transgo, ORM & CodeReader, Facet 40109 Pump
"IT'S A DIESEL THING, YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND"
Certified Services Auto & Truck Repair

No, its a statement of fact. It is true that some users have had issues, what is not proven is that any larger percentage of users have issues than is typical for a vehicle of this production run. Anecdotes do not make hard data, and thats all we have in a forum. Your anecdote is just as easily countered by people like myself who have had zero issues and who's dealerships not only know how to take care of it, but ordered and sold dozens of these things without any pattern of problems showing up. That said, my anecdote is no more 'definitive' than yours is. Personally I'll take the word of my friend at Chrysler, who happens to be in Consumer Quality(ie: the guys who buy back and figure out what the failures were in damaged vehicles). As he told me, its been the most reliable product Jeep has sold in years. But once again, thats just an anecdote, and obviously those who have had issues will choose to reduce the value of that statement to fit their own experience.

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2006 Jeep Liberty Sport CRD

I'm not calling it a P.O.S.. My friends are calling it a P.O.S..

However, I'm not going to pretend that I'm happy about the Laundry List of crap that needs to be done to make this vehicle the way it should be. This is not what one would normally expect from a new vehicle.

A couple of possible items that may need to be done are not cheap (i.e. the TC upgrade). That one issue alone pretty much kills any monetary advantage of going with the diesel. It would take several years to make up the premium spent on the engine via fuel savings. Add the cost of correcting DCX screw-ups and you might as well forget it - at least from this aspect.

The question is – is it worth going through the monetary expense and hassle to correct the problems with the vehicle to make it right? Or, is it better to off load it and move on? How many trips back a forth to the dealer does it take to reach the center of a tootsie roll tootsie pop? Yes, I’m willing to correct some issues, but there comes a point (which differs for each individual) when you got to say enough is enough.

I’ll probably install the SEGR. Hopefully this will solve the most problematic offender (the EGR and EGR/FCV failures). I almost never have the shudder problem (only has occurred on a couple of occasions). However, I’ve experienced the fuel spewing out of the heater connector, which stranded me in the middle of a very busy intersection. This is not the kind of thing that any reasonable person would find tolerable out of a not so cheap new vehicle. The TC going TU is always on my mind, but doing anything about it (Suncoast upgrade) will have to wait until more funds are available. Even when those funds become available, I’m going to have some heartburn forking it (a considerable sum) over for something that shouldn’t have to be done. Who knows, maybe that will become my breaking point…

The point of this thread though, was to put together a list of all known/common problems with the vehicle (IOW a checklist of sorts that can be referred back to at a latter date.) The other point was to gin up some discussion on some the proposed fixes to ascertain which are really necessary – and if necessary what solution has the consensus as being the best if there is more than one solution for a particular problem.

I can't believe I am replying in support of Reflex.

While the CRD may have been a market test in North America it certainly was not a test product nor an unproven product given that it had been sold throughout the rest of the world and performed admirably for two years before we had it available here. As with gas Liberty's there were changes between models and sometimes changes bring unexpected results but the basic platform is a good one and still is available and sought after in the rest of the world.

Thanks to all who offer solutions to the problems we have experienced.

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'06 CRD Limited, Lt. Khaki, MOPAR Slush Mats/Skids, DrawTite Front Hitch, Mag Lite, Yakima Bars, Thule Bike Rack, Fumoto, ORM, 245/70 Revo 2

Wish list: Lift, Boulder Bars, Something Bigger in the Front and Back, More Lights

Fuel was actually spewing out of the fuel heater connector, T^2? - that would indicate pressure there, rather than the expected vacuum

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'05 CRD Limited
Pricol EGT, Boost
GDE Hot '11; EDGE Trail switched
SEGR; Provent; Magnaflow;
Suncoast T\C, Transgo Tow'n'Go switch;
Cummins LP module, Fleetguard filter, Filterminder
2.5" Daystar f, OME r; Ranchos; K80767's, Al's lifted uppers
Rubicons, 2.55 Goodyears
Four in a row really makes it go

This first thought that is provoked by that statement: "If that's that case, then it doesn't say much for Jeep."

I don't know, but just the very nature of the common problems that have been discussed (since the beginning) on this board, seem to me to belie the possibility that they occur rarely.

No it only dribbled... Until an attempt was made to reprime it. Then it spewed.

Later on - as I was waiting for a tow truck (for my relatively brand new vehicle) - I unwittingly left the key on so that I could listen to the radio. That's when the thing about caught on fire...

Ok - neb' mind..............

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'05 CRD Limited
Pricol EGT, Boost
GDE Hot '11; EDGE Trail switched
SEGR; Provent; Magnaflow;
Suncoast T\C, Transgo Tow'n'Go switch;
Cummins LP module, Fleetguard filter, Filterminder
2.5" Daystar f, OME r; Ranchos; K80767's, Al's lifted uppers
Rubicons, 2.55 Goodyears
Four in a row really makes it go

My CRD was built in December 2005 and the only real problem I had is the air in the fuel. I don't have the EGR TC or other problems for that matter. There is others that have no problems at all. All I saying is if you are having problems as SOME MEMBERS it would benefit you to try the fix others had found that works. For me the only mod that my CRD needed is the lift pump and bleeder mod. I not telling anyone to do the mods here but don't expect the dealer or Chrysler to do anything beyond stock.

Lots of new vehicles have bugs in them, sometimes the dealer can not fix them. We should be here to learn from others experiences. I can one say this CRD sure beats my Durango for fuel mileage of 16 max on the highway. I using this CRD a lot harder towing across the country three times and know that the list is short for many members here, if any at all.

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2006 Black Jeep Liberty CRD Limited
K&N, Samco Hoses, Michelin 245/70-16 LTX A/T2, Fumoto F-102, V-Force Muffler, Mopar, Hitch, Trailer Wiring, Skid Plates, Slush Mats, Rear Shelf, Predator Stage 1, Transgo, ORM & CodeReader, Facet 40109 Pump
"IT'S A DIESEL THING, YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND"
Certified Services Auto & Truck Repair

The heater is over heating because of air also So therefore #2 is solved along with #1 unless if it's already melted

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Joined by a 2000 XJ Classic (hers)

Where did you get that 40109, Blacklib?

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'05 CRD Limited
Pricol EGT, Boost
GDE Hot '11; EDGE Trail switched
SEGR; Provent; Magnaflow;
Suncoast T\C, Transgo Tow'n'Go switch;
Cummins LP module, Fleetguard filter, Filterminder
2.5" Daystar f, OME r; Ranchos; K80767's, Al's lifted uppers
Rubicons, 2.55 Goodyears
Four in a row really makes it go

Well you're sort of getting close to the reason why I started this thread in the first place. That being:

1) To get a list of the common problems and related possible fixes
2) From that list have a discussion as to what fixes are really necessary
3) For issues that have multiple solutions, determine which solution - via discussion - might be the best approach

My point here was not to attack anyone’s perception of their vehicle. If you want to think that this thing is the cat's meow... Then knock yourself out...

For me I'm trying to ascertain what I may be looking at to get some reliable service out of this vehicle and to determine to what extent I may be willing to go to get to some satisfactory point with this thing...

Just going to point out that using the simple calculator on the EPA website(fueleconomy.gov) driving the diesel vs. the gas version of the Liberty saves approximatly $400/year if around 15k miles are driven. Between that and the savings on oil changes(roughly $100/year saved) I figure the average Liberty CRD will have paid for the diesel upgrade in four years.

I know some of those mods are expensive, however I'd be suprised if they added more than another four years to the break even point, and in the meantime you get to enjoy a superior driving experience. In my own situation I have estimated that my own 'payoff point' is about 2.5 years due to my driving, keeping track of the cost of diesel(it was significantly cheaper than gas for much of the past year until recently), and lower prices for renewing my tabs(I don't have to do emission testing, for instance). Definatly a worthwhile investment for me, although that calculation could change for many depending on their driving pattern and local laws.

All this is before we get into the depreciation game. Mine cost me about $24k with all the incentives applied(and my friend's employee discount). Right now they go with similiar options for $23k-28k in my region. In other words, it hasn't depreciated at all, and to the right buyer I could sell it for more than I paid(and make a nifty profit). By comparison, the gas version runs between $16 and 18k with similiar mileage. Thats one heck of a benefit for those of us used to the philosophy of "drive it off the lot and lose a third of its value".

All in all, its a darn good investment. And its rare you can say that about a vehicle.

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2006 Jeep Liberty Sport CRD