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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:07 am 
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I found this article attwo guys garage's website.
I was thinking that I might consider getting some sort of engine heater for this winter since I will be living in the snow belt, and I would like to make my libby last a while. If anyone has comments on any of the heaters, please, pipe up :)
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Anyone here getting ready for winter? Below are 5 different types of engine heaters.

The easiest and cheapest to install is probably the Dipstick Heater. You basically pull out your dipstick and put the dipstick heater in the tube. The dipstick heater will heat the oil and the air in the oil pan. Also dipstick heaters were outlawed in canada due to engine fires. But they are still sold in USA. Dipstick heaters are usually 20 inches to 24 inches long and before you drive the car you have to pull the heater out and replace the dipstick. Most dipstick heaters are to long and will hit the crank if the engine is running. Also dipstick heaters can not be use in plastic oil tubes. Plugs into a 110 volt outlet.

Another easy one to install is the Magnetic Heater these heaters have a magnet on the bottom and you crawl under your car and stick it to your oil pan. Some of the newer cars this will not work because the oil pan has design patterns or made of aluminium. Plugs into a 110 volt outlet.

Then next easiest and pretty cheap to buy, would be the [/b]Lower Radiator Hose Heater[/b]. Basically you drain the radiator and cut a section of the lower radiator hose out and install the heater. The trick to getting one of these to work is, because heat rises you want the heater vertical with the water pump. You want the heat to go up into the engine and not to the radiator, so having it mounted just beneath and going into the water pump is best. These are good heaters if install correctly and they will heat the same areas as a Frost Plug Heater would. Some people are afraid that the engine thermostat will close if they use one of these heaters. Well actually thermostats are closed until it reaches a certain engine running temperature then it opens. Most lower radiator hose heaters have a thermostat. And if the water does actually get hot enough, the engine thermostat will open and let some water out into the radiator. But this is rare. And usually lower hose heaters won't get hot enough for that to even happen. Plugs into a 110 volt outlet.

External Tank Engine Heater little more expensive but well worth the money. Basically one hose connects to a frost plug and another hose connects to a heater hose to the heater core. These heaters are nice. They heat the engine and keep the heater core warm. They also keep the water circulating. And harder to install because you need to get to a engine frost plug. But if you can install one of these do it. These are probably one of the best heaters. Because the engine is warm for starting and you have some instant heat out of the heater core, which will probably be warm enough to defrost your window. Plugs into a 110 volt outlet.

Frost Plug Heater cheap to buy, but hard to install. These are your typical heater that comes as a option on cars you buy from the dealership. Frost plug heaters are effective and keeps the water in the engine warm which the heat soothes down through the metal to the oil. These are tougher to install because you need to find a frost plug on the engine block to install it. (Having it in the center of the engine is best) Sometimes if you install a frost plug heater it will leak. And then you need either a new frost plug heater gasket or frost plug heater and replace it until you find a setup that doesn't leak anti-freeze. But once your past that they are very good heaters. These heat the engine similar to the Lower Radiator Hose Heater. Also if you install a frost plug heater you will need to drain the radiator. Plugs into a 110 volt outlet.

Also I've seen heaters like a heating pad which sticks to the oil pan and I don't know how good they work or if they are worth installing, I've seen them for diesel engine applications.

If anyone else knows of a heater or has tips. Add them to the list. This is the time of year where it's a good time to install a heater if you live in cold climate and you don't have a heated garage to store your vehicle. Also I've searched the internet and they don't have a lot of info on these heaters and how they are installed, So this will give some people a basic idea on what they want, And what to buy. And ease of installation.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:32 am 
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I think that the Frost Plug Heaters work pretty good. I installed one on my Montero when I moved to Minnesota; it never leaked. I’ve kept the Liberty in a heated garage for the last 6 years but no heated garage this winter and I’m thinking of installing one. It’s not difficult at all, maybe a 30-45min. job. Good luck with yours.

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If you go to do the install, can you document it with pics for our viewing pleasure?

I have only really started loking into the idea as I will be moving on the 15th of october, and winter doesn't really get going until maybe the middle of November :)

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Those frost plug heaters are usually all you'll need, lets the KJ start in even the coldest weather. That's all I've ever used. Those recirculating heaters are sure nice, though. Truck will warm up inside in minutes...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:24 am 
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But the first thing you need to do, if you haven't done it already, is get Amsoil or another good full synthetic in your KJ, front to back. Makes a world of difference for cold weather starting.


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I run Mobil 1 (have done since I got her with 10K miles on the ODO...

I'm not as concerned with her not starting, it doesn't get that cold around here, just easing the "pain" of the cold weather starts... I don't think that I willbe putting my libby in the garage, so I would like to plan on at least having a little heat in the engine to begin with...
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Yep, I know what you mean. A heater makes the whole procedure of starting less "wearing" on the moving parts, because it keeps the lube from freezing. The recirculating heaters are more costly to buy and install, but they sure are slick for keeping the front end ready to go. The coolant is kept warm, which in turn keeps the lube warm. But you probably won't need that type if the KJ isn't exposed to really harsh cold.


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Harsh cold? We usually have some weeks where it's between 10 and 15 degrees...
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I never had any problems with my KJ starting in cold weather,no garage,no block heater and it would get down to -30 degress(not including the windchill factor).Then again never had any problems with any of my vehicles in -30 degree weather or colder,maintaining your vehicle is key,the correct oil wieght,clean air filter,fuel filter,timed right,and tune properly will go along way.Okay I had some cold weather starting problems with my '75 Cutlass,but hey anything with a 1050cfm Holly Dominator on it with no choke is going to start hard in cold weather(not to mention the 13.5:1 compression ratio and AV gas).


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Donkeykong wrote:
Harsh cold? We usually have some weeks where it's between 10 and 15 degrees...
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That's tee shirt weather for people in Green Bay, Minneapolis, and Marquette.

You work at Rays? I've always wanted to get down there. I hear it's pretty cool. Believe it or not we've got a lot of mtb trails up here (and a ton of mountain bikers). I've got 17 different trails within 25 miles of my suburban detriot home. I know a lot of the MTBers around here head down to rays in the winter.


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Wow, 17 trails? I only wish that we were that lucky.... but we do have ray's :)

I don't work there, just ride... it's certainlly worth the 3 hour drive from detroit, heck, i met people who drove from as far away as new jersey, and illinois.

Let me know if you are going there, I would be all about arranging a LOST at RAY's meet ;)
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Donkeykong wrote:
Wow, 17 trails? I only wish that we were that lucky.... but we do have ray's :)


Yep 17 trails for a total of 170 miles of singletrack within 25 miles. I have something like 35 trails for a total of over 300 miles of single track within 75 miles. Plus we have the iceman race too :)

There is a very active mountain biking community here. The state is very open to allowing our organization (MMBA) to build and maintain trails in the state parks. A lot of the city parks have even let the MMBA come in and build trails. It's so popular at some state parks that the state has actually built paved trailhead parking lots equipped with bathroom facilities. It's not unusual to see 40 or 50 cars in those lots on the weekends.

Check out www.mmba.org.

I'm definately going to make it a point to get down to Rays. I'll let you know.


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