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$1260 for the struts alone? That seems awfully high for struts. The rest of the kit seems fair but, those struts...

Did anyone happen to notice these? I knew there was a 6" lift in the works but 8"?!?

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No mention of front spring rates for those using aftermarket bumpers and winch.

The recommended tire size for the 4" lift is only a LT 235/85/16 (32").
Am I missing something here, a $2,300.00 4" lift to run a 32" tire :?:


Coming from the TJ side I can see why you think that might be much to only fit a 32" tire. But the TJ guys often say the same thing when they first look into lifting. For example, in order to fit 33's (probably the most common size for TJs), there are two ways to get there. The way you go often depends on budget. The most popular lift that will fit 33's is the Rubicon Express 4.5" superflex kit. It runs almost $1500. It is a full suspension lift and includes all necessary parts. However a SYE and new driveshaft is recommended over a t-case drop. The cheaper way to fit 33's is with a budget boost spacer lift and a 1.25" body lift. Cost for that is around $500 total. Then all you need are a few washers from the hardware store to space down your transfer case. Now there are KJ guys who already run 32's with a Frankenlift. But they had to cut the crap out of their fenders to make it work. Same goes for some of the TJ guys. There are guys running 37" tires on a 3" lift. All they had to do was do highline fenders and cut away some of the body. It all depends on how you want to set up your Jeep. $2300 may be a little higher than what you all expected but it's not that overpriced. If it works well then it is definitely worth it. Most IFS lift kits are more expensive than comparable lifts for SFA trucks. It is the nature of the beast. All that being said though, if I were in the market for a lift like this, there are a few things I would also like to see addressed. Like why aren't the extended rear lower control arms included, do you need a SYE and drive shaft or t-case drop, and what exactly is modified on the cv joint and how will that affect it's lifespan in the long term. Now (besides Joe) who's going to be the first to test this thing out and report back on how it works.

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Have a good time payin for all that...I am runnin an almost 5" lift on my TJ (kinda custom) and it was WAY less than that, plus I can fit 33s, and could easily fit 35s no problems 8) Not worth all that for a 32" tire yall, dont get hung up on the whole 4" thing just cause nobody offers one for the KJ yet...

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$2300 isn't that bad, considering a Frankenlift is $1300-1400 after the upper arms that are supposedly required.


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If you click on the picture of the struts on the jeepingbyal website it says that with these struts you will have a measurement of 22" to 22.5" 's from the center of the wheel to the bottom of the "fender flare" or "fender well"! Iam almost certain my OME lift gives me that!
** So who is going to be the guinea pig and try out this lift!

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$2300 isn't that bad, considering a Frankenlift is $1300-1400 after the upper arms that are supposedly required.


if you include the A-arms you need in the price of a frankenlift, then you have to include the price of a longer driveshaft, adjustable/longer rear control arms, adjustable boomerang, etc etc in the Als 4"

so if a frankenlift is 1300 with arms..... als is 3000+ with everything else you need

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32's are recommended. I am sure you can go a little bigger. A company is not going to recommend a tire size where there might be some small issues. They will be a little conservative.

A 4" lift + .5-1" of tire lift will make a huge difference when it comes to my skids, silencer (muffler), and bumpers getting banged hard on those big rocks in the Rockies.

I will look into this lift down the road since I am putting the limited money that I do have into lockers and pwodercoating that RL front bumper when it comes out. No spare money right now.

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OK let me start by saying that this is AWESOME that someone is throwing down teh hours to get some new products out for our KJ's, but with this lift what is being done about the CV angles? As far as the longevity of the driveline is concerned, what separates this from stacking a spacer lift on you frankenlift?. Am I missing something?

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what separates this from stacking a spacer lift on you frankenlift?. Am I missing something?
It's like comparing apples to oranges when comparing spacer lifts to full coil lifts.You get alot more up/down travel with the coil lift.Putting spacers on a stock KJ will not gain anymore travel/articulation then before the spacers you just sit up higher is all,with the full lift coils you get the added lift and the added travel/articulation.


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what separates this from stacking a spacer lift on you frankenlift?. Am I missing something?
It's like comparing apples to oranges when comparing spacer lifts to full coil lifts.You get alot more up/down travel with the coil lift.Putting spacers on a stock KJ will not gain anymore travel/articulation then before the spacers you just sit up higher is all,with the full lift coils you get the added lift and the added travel/articulation.


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On the website, it says for the 3.7 engine...What about us Oil Burners ???????

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On the website, it says for the 3.7 engine...What about us Oil Burners ???????
Most likely for the same reason as the RK 3.5" lift is not for the CRD's.The front diff is mounted differently and to one side making one side CV real short and will have some contact with the clevis at full droop ruining the CV and boot.


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I just question whether it is a "true 4" lift all the way around...OR...do they get 4" out of the rear and a bit less up front...AND...still call it a 4"lift. Heck, they might be adding in the tire hiegth of a 235/85/16 to get a "total" of 4"...just need to see more :!:

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THEY LIST A 6" lift for the Liberty on there!!! Well, they are working on it. It isn't officially announced as being availble yet.

I want to know if those struts are heavy duty since I will have the RL front bumper on the KJ.

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All the struts and springs look like SkyJacker but maybe not...

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THEY LIST A 6" lift for the Liberty on there!!! Well, they are working on it. It isn't officially announced as being availble yet.

I want to know if those struts are heavy duty since I will have the RL front bumper on the KJ.


Now a 6" lift would be worth $2300!!

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From what I have read (I'm new to offroading so take what I say with a grain of salt, I'm going on other sources of info here) if you put a bigger tire than 31 or 32 you could very well end up over stressing the IFS and busting something, I've even read (and this all is in a book I just read, not stuff on the 'net) that the 8.25 corp rear axle can only safely handle a 31" tire. Sure you could go bigger, but heck, it's a liberty with IFS in the front, not a wrangler with solid axles front and rear.

I seriously think you would break something if you tried to put huge tires on the liberty without doing somthing to the drivetrain to beef it up.

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From what I have read (I'm new to offroading so take what I say with a grain of salt, I'm going on other sources of info here) if you put a bigger tire than 31 or 32 you could very well end up over stressing the IFS and busting something, I've even read (and this all is in a book I just read, not stuff on the 'net) that the 8.25 corp rear axle can only safely handle a 31" tire. Sure you could go bigger, but heck, it's a liberty with IFS in the front, not a wrangler with solid axles front and rear.

I seriously think you would break something if you tried to put huge tires on the liberty without doing somthing to the drivetrain to beef it up.


It's the front diff (d30a) you have to worry about. The 8.25 rear if i'm not mistaken can handle 35"s.

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Awhile back when I built my Rx-7, we were in search of a turbocharger. I decided on an HKS T04Z Turbo. The price was about $3000. I also found a Garret version of the turbo, same specs, but only $1100. Both Capable of the same power, both with the same specs.

But in accual use, they were completely different. The HKS turbo had far superior capability and longetivity. You could tell the difference in involved tuning between the two. That Garrett would have never put out the power the HKS had at the reliable rate it did.

Its not how much power you make, its how the power is made, and what the quality of parts are.

How does this relate to anything here?


I'd pay $2300 easily for a quality, researched lift kit. A cheap lift is just that. A Cheap lift. This kit is probably so expensive because its custom designed just for us. Not like they can open a cataloge and mix and match.

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The problem is the lift is not a proven commodity. They need to show a bit more than just pics of parts to get $$$ out of most of us. They need to show one built...pics of the suspension at rest...fully flexed...ect. They really need to do a write up to convince us that the CVJoints are not going to be sacrificed in a short period of time. Without more info...there is no reason to buy. I am sure they will get around to it and letting us know that it is at least "ready" is better than nothing...which is what we had before.

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