SC ROCKSTAR 05'-07'more pics added 12/14/07 website too.

durangotang · **Posted:** Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:16 pm

Did you find your guinea pig for the bumper? I'm over here in Durango but could be over there no problem....

(EDIT: finally read through some pages and answered my own question... need a CRD guinea pig? :lol:

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JHCRASH · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:26 pm

Sorry I have not chimed in for a few days but big problems over the weekend again not family this time though. And the CRD is dead at the dealer for now we will see.

WoodysKJ · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:37 pm

The Bumper Killed the KJ CRD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JHCRASH · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:23 pm

No the tranny took a crap. :-)r

the bumper thats funny.

WoodysKJ · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:42 pm

Obviously voids the tranny warantee by applying too much weight and good looks to the front of the KJ.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:45 pm

JHCRASH wrote:

No the tranny took a crap. :-)r

the bumper thats funny.

Unfortunately, that is not a surprise, the trany/TC is one of the reasons why I traded my CRD for a gasser. And let me tell you, Trading the CRD was very hard to do because I’m a diesel guru through and through!

JHCRASH · **Posted:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:32 pm

WoodysKJ wrote:

Obviously voids the tranny warantee by applying too much weight and good looks to the front of the KJ.

Well so far they have not said that I figured they would have voided it due to the tranny temp sender I installed though. So far they are being resonable although it will get the F37 now that sucks.

C co Crusader 2/127 · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:33 am

so whats the status on the 04 and earlier bumper?

JHCRASH · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:46 am

C co Crusader 2/127 wrote:

so whats the status on the 04 and earlier bumper?

I am shooting for saturday on the fitment to troysterrs kj so if that all works out than I will be able to start building to order a couple days after that after I get the finishes on his.

And currently there is no one in line after him(a couple guys thinking aboout it seriously) but no one commited yet so I will just be building a few that will be ready to finish to order when you guys want them

JHCRASH · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:53 am

"OH AND THE QUESTION YOU HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR THE ANSWER TO"
The weight is 120Lbs. the way it is in the pics.
Just remember that mine is all 3/16" (except the light mounts) and that it has a reciever tube.

C co Crusader 2/127 · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:43 pm

does anyone know how much the arb and rl bumpers weigh?

AbsoluteRenegade · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:53 pm

The ARB is right around 100, well, it was for my Nissan. Is this bumper safe airbag wise like the ARB. Not busting bubbles, as I plan on buying one soon, but just curious to see if anyone has looked into this.

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:28 pm

AbsoluteRenegade wrote:

The ARB is right around 100, well, it was for my Nissan. Is this bumper safe airbag wise like the ARB. Not busting bubbles, as I plan on buying one soon, but just curious to see if anyone has looked into this.

I doubt he has tested b/c it would cost alot of money, and the ARB bumper I thought ARBSeth said it only weighs ~85#

JHCRASH how much does the bull bar weigh?

man thats a heavy sucker :shock:

im glad mine doesnt weight that much, id be draging on the road lol

WoodysKJ · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:36 pm

AbsoluteRenegade wrote:

The ARB is right around 100, well, it was for my Nissan. Is this bumper safe airbag wise like the ARB. Not busting bubbles, as I plan on buying one soon, but just curious to see if anyone has looked into this.

This was the topic of a very heated series of posts a while back. People could not understand why it was important to have an "Air Bag Compliant" after market bumper.

Franckly I hope they never get the chance to find out why.

Simply put, having a NON-Airbag Compliant system puts your personal insurance coverage at risk in the event of a claim.

Not sure if there are safety issues at play here also, there may be, but it MIGHT give your insurance company grounds to deny coverage since it was not tested and not compliant.

The ARB bull bar is tested in order to be imported and it still may cause issues with SOME insurance companies. BUT if you have a rigid piece of steel on the front of your vehicle, then you have completley compormised or even eliminated the "Crumple Zones" the manufacturers have designed into the air bag deployment system.

The end result is that air bag deployment may happen at lower speeds and relitivily minor colisions. Then you get to try and have your insurance replace the airbag and they say "Sorry about your luck"

Air bags are expensive.

I love RL's bumper and this one here, but the fact is they are not air bag compliant like My arb is.

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:56 pm

WoodysKJ wrote:

AbsoluteRenegade wrote:

The ARB is right around 100, well, it was for my Nissan. Is this bumper safe airbag wise like the ARB. Not busting bubbles, as I plan on buying one soon, but just curious to see if anyone has looked into this.

This was the topic of a very heated series of posts a while back. People could not understand why it was important to have an "Air Bag Compliant" after market bumper.

Franckly I hope they never get the chance to find out why.

Simply put, having a NON-Airbag Compliant system puts your personal insurance coverage at risk in the event of a claim.

Not sure if there are safety issues at play here also, there may be, but it MIGHT give your insurance company grounds to deny coverage since it was not tested and not compliant.

The ARB bull bar is tested in order to be imported and it still may cause issues with SOME insurance companies. BUT if you have a rigid piece of steel on the front of your vehicle, then you have completley compormised or even eliminated the "Crumple Zones" the manufacturers have designed into the air bag deployment system.

The end result is that air bag deployment may happen at lower speeds and relitivily minor colisions. Then you get to try and have your insurance replace the airbag and they say "Sorry about your luck"

Air bags are expensive.

I love RL's bumper and this one here, but the fact is they are not air bag compliant like My arb is.

thats not completely true I hit a deer w/ mine going 45-50 and it did not set off my air bags, which is prolly why you said MAY but ill take my chances but i will say that had I of hit the deer w/ my stock bumper that I would be looking at alot of money to have the stupid plastic replaced and now days cars from the factory have weakers bumper than the used to and b/c of that when you do get in a wreck it will cost more money to have it repaired

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:05 pm

here go watch this video its only 3 min

http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&fg=copy ... from=06/64

WoodysKJ · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:09 pm

thats not completely true I hit a deer w/ mine going 45-50 and it did not set off my air bags, which is prolly why you said MAY but ill take my chances but i will say that had I of hit the deer w/ my stock bumper that I would be looking at alot of money to have the stupid plastic replaced and now days cars from the factory have weakers bumper than the used to and b/c of that when you do get in a wreck it will cost more money to have it repaired[/quote]

The difference is that deer tend to absorb alot of the impact, that explains the splatter of blood and the furr flying all over the place. IF that had been bigger like an elk or another vehicle, then the impact absorption would have been VERY different. But you are right it is only a possibility. One your Insurance company would love to exploit.

I have an ARB bumper and I expect to get into a pissing match if and or when I ever have a situation. BUT that is the choice I made.

I was in a Head on back in 1996. Some kid racing his cousin and passing him on a hill hit me in my lane (he was driving a Geo Metro, explains why I am not dead) My 96 cherokee was recalled for the airbags prior to this accident.

The combined speed of impact was OVER 130 mph. My air bag DID NOT DEPLOY!. My insurance company said it was IN PART due to the recall and ALSO the SMITTYBUILT BRUSH GUARD on the front of my XJ. Said it messed up the air bag crumple zones. BULL doo doo WE ALL KNOW. BUT they said sorry.

Thank god I was on the job and workers comp. Anyway my insurance covered my property damage and other stuff, but they would not work with me in persuing a claim against DC about the airbags.

Just be careful. The bumpers here are cool and will protect your KJ. BUT they can also, MAYBE, put your insurance claims at risk. They (the insurance companies) have the final word.

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:15 pm

im not rying to get into any pissin comtest here b/c if i had $800 to burn on a bumper yeah id be all over the ARB but i dont so i made mine for $60, and its way stronger than ARB, so i got my bumper cheap so im happy

WoodysKJ · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:26 pm

Thats all i said, you make your choice and be happy with it

BUT be prepared for when or if that day comes when you are in a collision with another vehicle and their insuance company says the damage and injuries were WORSE because of your home made all steel bumper. Or you company says sorry bout that, but your home made jobber bent the frame, if it wasn't there the crumple zones would have done their job.

I am not an automotive engineer. I have had experience in dealing with the insurance companies.

Like State farm denying inland wind damage after huricane katrina saying it was not covered under the home owners because it was flood related. when it was well inland from the storm surge and only water was rain.

They are @$#%s and WILL deny coverage if you give them the chance.

all I am saying. enjoy your bumpers, I do, just don't be suiprsed...

Troysterr · **Posted:** Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:36 pm

I think you're both right.

But any time you mod your Jeep, you're giving up something. I lost 3-4 mpg when I lifted my KJ, and then another 1 mpg when I put a rack on top. I also voided any warranty on suspension and steering parts, and altered the way it handles at highway speeds.

Replacing my stock tires with BFG MTs reduced my fuel economy even further, and now I have a rough, loud ride.

Now, I'm installing a heavy bumper, so I'll have to rebuild my front suspension (new Frankenlift--close to $1,200 installed), I'll probably lose even more fuel economy, and I don't expect that my airbags will behave exactly the same as they would with a stock bumper. But I imagine that in a low-speed collision, I'll drive away with less (or no) damage.

Isn't this all about making choices about the vehicle you want to drive? If my primary concerns were fuel economy, warranty, and safety, I'd be driving a Volvo! :lol:

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