2 cycle TC-W3 diesel fuel ratio?

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:53 am

Hey, is anyone adding Outboard 2-cycle TC-W3 non-synthetic/low ash engine oil to their diesel fuel? If so, what is your mixing ratio? Is there a fuel mileage increase? What 2 cycle brand are you running?

gmctd · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:25 am

Wallyworld TC-W3 syn is Valvoline syn - 1/2oz\gallon is fine - you use less of the syn - 'course, it's also more expensive, but in yer weedwacker it's way less likely to blow smoke at the reduced ratio - syn or dino is just fine in your engine

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:12 pm

On my dads ram, we are running a 128 to 1 ratio or oil, whichj works out to 1 gallon of diesel to 1 oz of two stroke. Just don't over mix the two stroke or you could hurt your mileage. Also a little power service wouldn't hurt...we by the stuff in the blue bottle at walmart that is like $8.88 a gallon

also i jumped about 2 mpg

gmctd · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:21 pm

A gallon of motor oil has much more BTU content than a gallon of Diesel fuel - decreased ratio will increase fuel viscosity past acceptable spec for the IP and injectors, but cannot lower fuel mileage - increased viscosity can be offset by increased additive, as they dilute the fuel, but economy goes way downscale due to increased cost of the additives and the oil.

fresh8fly · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:55 pm

i guess i don't understand...what is the benefit of doing this? :?:

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:59 pm

it adds the lubricity back to the fuel that was lost due to the reduction of sulfur. its not only good for the whole fuel system but it also adds more energy to the fuel

gmctd · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:28 am

Correct - your injection pump is still a mechanical device, and the pumped fuel is the only lubricant - while the CP3 is designed for ULSD, and distribution terminals are required to add lubricity components to the fuel at so many parts per gallon, it just seems safer to do it yourself, for reliability.

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

It would seem to be a heck of a lot simpler to locate a source for some bio-diesel and run B5 or better. Better overall performance as well.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:16 am

I’m on my second gallon of Wal-Mart’s Super TECH. I’ve been mixing 1 oz to 1 gallon and running Power Service. With all the mods, I’m getting 25 mpg running 70-75 mph which is pretty amazing. Sometimes I worry about my fuel rail pressure and injectors, but I have not had any problems since I installed the module 20,000 miles ago. I’m getting around 16 mpg pulling my 8,000 lb, 30’ travel trailer. Seems like the mileage increased by at least ½ mpg by adding the TC-w3 and I did notice that the engine idles a little quieter now. Either way, it seems to be a stronger fuel and hopefully better lubrication. Workhorse also makes a module for the Liberty CRD for those who might be interested.

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:39 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

I’m on my second gallon of Wal-Mart’s Super TECH. I’ve been mixing 1 oz to 1 gallon and running Power Service. With all the mods, I’m getting 25 mpg running 70-75 mph which is pretty amazing. Sometimes I worry about my fuel rail pressure and injectors, but I have not had any problems since I installed the module 20,000 miles ago. I’m getting around 16 mpg pulling my 8,000 lb, 30’ travel trailer. Seems like the mileage increased by at least ½ mpg by adding the TC-w3 and I did notice that the engine idles a little quieter now. Either way, it seems to be a stronger fuel and hopefully better lubrication. Workhorse also makes a module for the Liberty CRD for those who might be interested.

What ratio are you running of the ps? and second, the white one or the grey one?

chadhargis · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:00 am

I agree with the biodiesel.

I try to run B20 anytime I can find it. I recently bought a full tank of B99. Oh man, that stuff is awesome! No skunky diesel smell, better for the environment, better for my engine, and I paid less for it than nasty petro diesel.

Can't beat that!

It doesn't get very cold here in Tennessee. In fact, today is a bone chilling 37 degrees for the high. I put in some Power Service white bottle just in case we get a really cold snap before I burn out the tank.

chrispitude · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:27 am

I'd like to mix up fuel-up bottles of PowerService and 2-stroke juice for the CRD. Based on the article mentioned here, I was thinking of using 16oz plastic soda bottles, adding 6oz of PowerService fuel supplement and 6oz of 2-stroke oil, and calling it good. Any thoughts?

- Chris

P.S. If biodiesel were available where I live, I'd run it in an instant. We ran B20 in Denver pretty regularly and it was great stuff.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:15 pm

Diggerfreek wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

I’m on my second gallon of Wal-Mart’s Super TECH. I’ve been mixing 1 oz to 1 gallon and running Power Service. With all the mods, I’m getting 25 mpg running 70-75 mph which is pretty amazing. Sometimes I worry about my fuel rail pressure and injectors, but I have not had any problems since I installed the module 20,000 miles ago. I’m getting around 16 mpg pulling my 8,000 lb, 30’ travel trailer. Seems like the mileage increased by at least ½ mpg by adding the TC-w3 and I did notice that the engine idles a little quieter now. Either way, it seems to be a stronger fuel and hopefully better lubrication. Workhorse also makes a module for the Liberty CRD for those who might be interested.

What ratio are you running of the ps? and second, the white one or the grey one?

I’m using the Concentrated Ratio in the grey 1 gallon jug (with cetane boost). Currently I use the AMOSIL winter deicer additive instead of using the white Power Service bottle.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:24 pm

[quote="chrispitude"]I'd like to mix up fuel-up bottles of PowerService and 2-stroke juice for the CRD. Based on the article mentioned here, I was thinking of using 16oz plastic soda bottles, adding 6oz of PowerService fuel supplement and 6oz of 2-stroke oil, and calling it good. Any thoughts?

- Chris
Sounds like a great idea. I’ve known guys who kept their transmission quart bottles and filled them up. I went to wal-mart and bought quality drinking bottles made from Lexan (an extremely strong polycarbonate material similar to Plexiglass, but much stronger) with a tight screw-on cap with the oz measurement markings on the side so I know approximately how much I have. When I pull my travel trailer, I usually fill up when convenient, so the markings help me know how much I need to add. I have separate bottles for the Power Service and separate bottles for the 2 Stroke.

chrispitude · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:19 pm

dieselenthusiast wrote:

I’m using the Concentrated Ratio in the grey 1 gallon jug (with cetane boost). Currently I use the AMOSIL winter deicer additive instead of using the white Power Service bottle.

Just a minor clarification - is your jug of PowerService 96oz (3/4 gallon) or 128oz (1 gallon)? I ask because the one I picked up from WallyWorld is 96oz, and if there's a better deal to be had, I'm all ears!

- Chris

gmctd · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:59 pm

Powerservice switched to 96floz several years back to give the even 300gal ratio figure.............

tulsa · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:10 pm

chrispitude wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

I’m using the Concentrated Ratio in the grey 1 gallon jug (with cetane boost). Currently I use the AMOSIL winter deicer additive instead of using the white Power Service bottle.

Just a minor clarification - is your jug of PowerService 96oz (3/4 gallon) or 128oz (1 gallon)? I ask because the one I picked up from WallyWorld is 96oz, and if there's a better deal to be had, I'm all ears!

- Chris

Try Attwoods for all PS products.

Lewis

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:20 pm

chrispitude wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

I’m using the Concentrated Ratio in the grey 1 gallon jug (with cetane boost). Currently I use the AMOSIL winter deicer additive instead of using the white Power Service bottle.

Just a minor clarification - is your jug of PowerService 96oz (3/4 gallon) or 128oz (1 gallon)? I ask because the one I picked up from WallyWorld is 96oz, and if there's a better deal to be had, I'm all ears!

- Chris

Nope, just 96 ounces. I guess I was thinking of my TC-w3 which comes in 1 gallon size.

chrispitude · **Posted:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:10 pm

gmctd wrote:

Wallyworld TC-W3 syn is Valvoline syn - 1/2oz\gallon is fine - you use less of the syn - 'course, it's also more expensive, but in yer weedwacker it's way less likely to blow smoke at the reduced ratio - syn or dino is just fine in your engine

I swung by Wally and bought a gallon of Super Tech TC-W3 outboard oil for $8.34. I looked for the synthetic but didn't see it.

- Chris

retmil46 · **Posted:** Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:19 pm

After reading thru the Fleetguard ULSD pdf on another thread that gmctd posted, if Fleetguard feels that it would be a good move to CYA and add your own lubricity agents, enough said.

I've also heard that if the distributor forgets to mix in the required additives, the gel point of ULSD can be as much as 30 degrees F higher than the older LSD.

As far as running biodiesel, check the quality!!! This past weekend I visited a truck stop that I've bought a lot of B20 from in the past. I bought 10 gallons to make it worth the trip and - my real reason for going up there - pulled a sample in a glass jar.

Stuff was kinda cloudy looking in the jar. By the time I drove the 25 miles home, there was a nice layer of mung that had already settled out in the bottom of the jar. Next day, after sitting in the Jeep parked outside overnight, there was a 1/2" layer of whitish goo in the bottom of the jar, a couple of solid-looking white chunks floating around, and the rest of the fuel was bloody near opaque.

Oh well, another fuel station makes my do-not-buy list.

2 cycle TC-W3 diesel fuel ratio?

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