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Thats alittle crazy that you all are bottoming out with a lift. You ever see how much up travel must occur to bottom out with a lift?

Also, wouldnt a longer bumpstop make it bottom out sooner? Or does this bumpstop flex allowing it to absorb the impact and not just take the hit?

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Thats alittle crazy that you all are bottoming out with a lift. You ever see how much up travel must occur to bottom out with a lift?

Also, wouldnt a longer bumpstop make it bottom out sooner? Or does this bumpstop flex allowing it to absorb the impact and not just take the hit?


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This goes back to any time you lift a vehicle you also should install a bumpstop equal to the amount of the lift. Raise two inches, two inches of bumpstop. Yes it takes alot to get it there but you really do not want it to go all that way either. Thats how , (even though I know better) I blew one of my rear shocks, wont happen anymore but should of done it in the first place.


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What are being used for the rear? any pics? I am changing the rear from the spacer to springs and I dont have anything in the rear for bumpstop extension. I couls make something that would work but why reinvent the wheel. :D

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What are being used for the rear? any pics? I am changing the rear from the spacer to springs and I dont have anything in the rear for bumpstop extension. I couls make something that would work but why reinvent the wheel. :D


The ones we are talking about here are for the front, for the rear anything almost will work , best , cheapest thing...hockey pucks , get two drill a hole through them and bolt them on OR just epoxy them in place, cheap and simple :wink: Just like I like my women!

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WOW :shock:
You are one post away from 3000 tear it up tommud.
I know we are talking about the front I just wanted to ask about the rear. :D

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There ya go 3000 now I can retire from this place!

Hocky pucks for the rear do work good, thats what I used finally. No pics sorry :cry:

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Thats true tommud for the rear since the shocks extend more. If the shocks do not extend more then they can still compress just as much as the stock shocks. Thats the reason I dont have to use bumpstops on the rear with the OME 132 shocks.

On the front the shocks still have the same amount of travel. They dont droop anymore than the stock suspension unless you do a clevis lift, OTT spacer, or have a different upper plate. With any of those modifications you would then need extended bump-stops.

Ive never had any problems with bottoming out or blowing shocks on the front or the rear. Ive flexed both to the bumpstops.

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Jeepster, BUT it is still not a good idea to do that as you are compressing the coil springs WAY too much, its called coil bind or something like that. Flexing to that point binds up the coil and they will not last as long. Mark from ARB gave me some good tips on how to prevent and also what it does to the springs themselves when we were dicussing springs one day.
ALSO it makes no difference if you have Ranchos, OMEs, or Whoflicky shocks you still need extended bumpstops front and rear...period.
Actually if you get right down to it you should also have limiting straps of some sort to keep the shocks from extending all the way out.

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Bump stops arrived UPS, the total cost with shipping was $43.84, and they are 4" long. Now to find a warm place to install them.

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No heat in Grafton ? Let me know when you get them on and how they do. I am ordering this week sometime.

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maybe a stupid question...BUT

I understand why you'd need extended bumpstops for an OTT spacer (to keep from bottoming out the strut), or any solid axle front or rear, but if you DON'T have an OTT spacer, what's the advantage of extended bumpstops? Regardless of length, don't struts top out at the same spot? Or is this only to keep the tires from hitting the fenderwells at full stuff?

Just curious as to what good it REALLY does...because in my head, all it seems to do is limit flex


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goes back to whatever you lift it then you need to have about that same amount of bumpstop, its not about limiting the suspension but making it work correctly and not over extending it or compressing it too much. If you look at really high end suspension kits all include bumpstops.

In talking to Marc at ARB a while back he said that most coil springs are ruined by compressing them to the point that they are compressed against each other and will loose their effectiveness.

Actually I think that is one of the problems with Rustys springs, they are weaker to begn with and if you use them harder than street driving they loose their "spring" and start settling down.

Now for the arguments........... :wink:

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Bump stops arrived UPS, the total cost with shipping was $43.84, and they are 4" long. Now to find a warm place to install them.


I got no heat, but if you need an extra set of hands...let me know....

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I have heat but I know you dont want to drive this far just for 20 minutes work, it will warm up next week and youll be able to install then!

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Any updates on the install or is it too cold over there as well? Its finally up to 10 degrees here now! I still need to get mine ordered, how much was shipping?
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Any updates on the install or is it too cold over there as well? Its finally up to 10 degrees here now! I still need to get mine ordered, how much was shipping?
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Phone # 801-713-3314 for TeraFlex Plus.
Part # 0019301200 for TeraFlex bump stops.
$16.20 ea. and $11.44 shipping, total was $43.84.
And he11 yes, it's cold!

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Finally went out to install the extended bump stops today since it hit about 50 degrees. Went to jack it up and my floor jack wouldn't work! So I took it over my buddy's house to use his. With all the dried mud it took a little prying to pop out the old stops. Installing the new ones we used a pry bar stuck in the spring and under the new stop prying upwards and pounded the top inward with a small blunt pry bar and hammer. Hardest part was taking the tires off. :lol:

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Why install a bumpstop if your tire doesn't hit the fender to begin with?

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Why install a bumpstop if your tire doesn't hit the fender to begin with?
So you don't "bottom out" the front struts and damage them.


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