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jason thompson · **Posted:** Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:19 pm

tonycrd wrote:

I don't get it. People get a hard on over a VW Touareg or a Porsche Cayenne, both cannot do this.

I get what people see in the VW
it is the 33* approach and depart angles with the air rid spring ,28* with out
a 4.56 final drive with a 2.66 to 1 T-case and the smallest engine has 280 HP and the thing don't out weigh the KJ by more than 500#
oh and something about 0-60 in under 8 seconds @ 130 mph with the V8
and just for the record they both can do what the pat in the pics is doing only with much greater ease and in way more comfort

Albert · **Posted:** Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:48 pm

Jeep Jim.....do what makes you happy with your Patriot and have fun with it.

As to the Jeep/Cayenne comparison, my Son has both. I have driven both. The Cayenne has awesome power for a heavy vehicle and you really feel it when you get into the turbo, and then you know it is a Porsche that just happens to have 4wd. His JK Sahara is not even in the same ballpark. But his Cayenne cost 3x what the jeep did and would NEVER go off-road as long as he has it. But he drives the Jeep EVERY day and not the Cayenne, and the JK goes off-road so if you were to ask him, he would just say he drives the Jeep more.

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:41 pm

I think the Jeep will do just fine offroad with a lift kit and new tires. Ive seen pics of them(like above) and Ive heard they do pretty good offroad. Is that lift kit a full spring lift or a spacer lift(what kinda spacer)?

Make sure you get some rocker protection and good skid plates if youre going to be in alot of rock. Skids are needed for any kind of offroad really.

sleeve84028 · **Posted:** Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:34 pm

Jeepjeepster wrote:

Make sure you get some rocker protection and good skid plates if youre going to be in alot of rock. Skids are needed for any kind of offroad really.

Some real solid advice right there...

501 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:26 am

It's your JEEP, Lift it, trick it, skid it, wheel it, mud it, just have fun with it!

Hope to run in to you some day on the trails with the first, super lifted Patriot!

1300ZUK · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:34 am

you're in Deutschland.

get a Suzuki Jimny or 2dr Grand vitara

then float it back over when you come back

Jeep Jim · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:38 am

Jeepjeepster, the lift RRO makes is a spacer that goes above the shocks/struts and replaces the rear upper control arm in the rear to fix the camber.

Most of the Patriot guys are thinking that 2.25" is the limit, but I have a feeling you can go higher. I have seen plenty of Liberty's Higher than 2.25" and they have IFS How high can a liberty's go with spacers and springs alone before it starts having issues?

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:54 am

If it's a spacer on the top don't forget to extend the bumpstops or you'll kill the struts.
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=28552&highlight=bumpstop+extension

501 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:48 am

Something to look in to is doing a clevis lift for the front and spacers or isolators in the rear.

I'm no mechanic so I don't know if it's possible, but we can do it with the Libby so maybe you can do it with the Patriot too. Maybe one of the mechanics here can chime in and let you know if this is possible.

jason thompson · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:05 pm

501 wrote:

Something to look in to is doing a clevis lift for the front and spacers or isolators in the rear.

I'm no mechanic so I don't know if it's possible, but we can do it with the Libby so maybe you can do it with the Patriot too. Maybe one of the mechanics here can chime in and let you know if this is possible.

this may not be a bad idea
Post up a pic of the front and rear strut/spring assembly and let us see if we can come up with some thing
maybe a front and rear clevis lift?

Jeep Jim · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:37 pm

I have never seen a clevis lift but isn't it just moving the spring mount on the shock/strut so the truck sits higher?

Do you happen to have a link to a how to?

As for photos its dark here already, I'll have to see what I can do tomorrow. If I dont get it done tomorrow it may be a week or so to get photos of mine... I'll check to see whats online already.

Jeep Jim · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:41 pm

best shots I can find right now are at the bottom of this page:

http://www.rockcrawler.com/reviews/jeep ... /index.asp

And yes I know those suck!

tonycrd · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:28 pm

jason thompson wrote:

tonycrd wrote:

I don't get it. People get a hard on over a VW Touareg or a Porsche Cayenne, both cannot do this.

I get what people see in the VW
it is the 33* approach and depart angles with the air rid spring ,28* with out
a 4.56 final drive with a 2.66 to 1 T-case and the smallest engine has 280 HP and the thing don't out weigh the KJ by more than 500#
oh and something about 0-60 in under 8 seconds @ 130 mph with the V8
and just for the record they both can do what the pat in the pics is doing only with much greater ease and in way more comfort

You forgot to mention they both come with 'Z' rated tires, you couldn't even get of a wet golfcourse with those. And that the Porsche has all the driveline stuff from VW. And its as low to the ground as a VW Golf. Forget about any ground clearance. Who needs a 0-60 in 8 secs in a 4x4? IMO those things are all show no go. I mean no disrespect, I just think they are not ofroad vehicles and they are not supersportscars. They are something inbetween.

Back on topic, Jim what I can see from those pics is that your front suspension has Mac Pherson shocks/spring combo. not like the KJ's double whishbone system. That's great, just fit an OTT spacer and your good to go, the bumpstop is inside the combo, in the top plate. So no problems there. Cannot make out the rear, will see if I can find a better pick.

Front:

The rear seems to be a coil over.

The RRO kit looks fine by me. You can fit 225/75/16 tires...nice!

Jeep Jim · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:34 pm

I found some better shots... here

Look about half way down at a post by Gramps. He shows detailed shots of both the front and back.

From the looks of it How high do you think I can lift the 'Riot?

SoDakJeep · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:21 pm

just a ? does the patriot have a frame or is it a unibody as well

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:51 pm

SoDakJeep wrote:

just a ? does the patriot have a frame or is it a unibody as well

Unibody,when I measured the ground clearence from one yesterday I wouldn't want to take those on a gravel road,man what a hack job with the unibody(okay for the street only) and what a mess of junk all over the under side,no way to protect all that junk.By the way a limited Patriot with the 17" rims has a measured 6 5/8" ground clearance.

renegadekj · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:01 pm

I think my old civic use to to have that! :lol:

...JK..(but honestly you can't say a jeep is a jeep anymore) My opinion anyway!

*PS civic only lasted 7months before i needed another jeep!

josh

LostEddie · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:07 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

SoDakJeep wrote:

just a ? does the patriot have a frame or is it a unibody as well

Unibody,when I measured the ground clearence from one yesterday I wouldn't want to take those on a gravel road,man what a hack job with the unibody(okay for the street only) and what a mess of junk all over the under side,no way to protect all that junk.By the way a limited Patriot with the 17" rims has a measured 6 5/8" ground clearance.

tjkj2002 as admin said in recent post, we need to be nice to others. I have read enough of your posts (and appreciate them and I also respect you

) to know that you can articulate very well without using words like -- gravel road, hack job, junk, etc. to describe another vehicle.

Jim, hang in there and have fun.

tommudd · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:30 pm

what did I miss, whats wrong with gravel road, hack job, junk if its true? Lots of vehicles follow under that description, not for gravel roads etc.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:37 pm

LostEddie wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

SoDakJeep wrote:

just a ? does the patriot have a frame or is it a unibody as well

Unibody,when I measured the ground clearence from one yesterday I wouldn't want to take those on a gravel road,man what a hack job with the unibody(okay for the street only) and what a mess of junk all over the under side,no way to protect all that junk.By the way a limited Patriot with the 17" rims has a measured 6 5/8" ground clearance.

tjkj2002 as admin said in recent post, we need to be nice to others. I have read enough of your posts (and appreciate them and I also respect you

) to know that you can articulate very well without using words like -- gravel road, hack job, junk, etc. to describe another vehicle.

Jim, hang in there and have fun.

Sorry,there alot of stuff under there,more then ours,that can get hung up on stuff when taken off the pavement.

The Patriot and Compass are nice vehicle for there intended purpose,offroad is just not one of them.They are marketed for the "mall crawling" crowd,just like the Grand and Commander,and since about '04 the KJ and KK.

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