I have been driving our car and don't drive the Jeep unless I need to haul something or I am going fishing. Is there that much difference everywhere?

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Sold 05 CRD Patriot Blue, hole in the roof, Trailer tow, factory skids, LSD, Saris load bars, Michelin LTX M/S
Current Bright white 2010 Dakota Quad Cab 4x4 V8

gas 3.19, diesel 3:76 ( one place still down at 3.29) north central IL

http://autos.msn.com/everyday/GasStatio ... &x=14&y=10

Down here Reg 3.16
Diesel 3.60

Check out the above site, put in your zip, good to go.
Steve

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06 Silver Liberty
EHM/SEGR
Fumoto Oil Drain
No rock climbing
No mudding
Hangs behind my
motorhome on tow bars. Semi-retired and still learning.

I compare to mid-grade which my GC likes, so the delta is closer to $0.30/gal. Figured out that driving our CRD makes us money each month and the diesel premium was long ago paid off. I'm a happy camper.

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2006 Libery Sport CRD, Lt Kakhi, nicely equipped
*****GDE Hot Tune at 38,879 miles
*****Stock TC.....for the time being!!

Well now, let's just do the math here and not merely go into hysteria, ok?

So, 62 cents is 19% of the RUG price of $3.20 here . . . so what's the problem? You get 30% better mileage than the same vehicle on gas, but you pay 19% more per gallon, leaving you with a net savings of about 11%.

All bets are off, of course, if your alternative transportation is a gasser that gets better than 28 mpg.

RUG $2.97-$3.05

DIESEL $3.29-$3.45

But I just bought a Lambretta DUE 50 2 Stroke Scooter and got 114.4 MPG

Figure it bumps my overall average to 65 MPG or better average w/the 2

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Founder of L.O.S.T.
2006 CRD Sport
Mods: GDE Hot Tune w/ 364#@2000rpm/Air Box /3" Str8 Exhaust/ASFIR Alum Skids/245-75R-16 Cooper STT PRO/OME LIFT w/Clevis & 4 Spring Isos/AirTabs/Rigid 10" S2 LED/4xGuard Ctr Matrix Bumper
Drag Strip:Reac=.1078_60ft=2.224_1/8=10.39@64.8mph_1/4+16.46@80.8mph

In Iowa it was $2.95 reg and $3.52 for diesel.
Here in western suburbs of Chicago area $3.09 Reg $3.75 Diesel.

If you go factor in higher efficiency of our diesels using a very conservative 30% figure, $3.00 reg would equal $3.90 diesel.

Part of the market excuse for higher than gasoline prices on diesel is the competition from home heating oil.
Come spring it will be the farmers using diesel in their tractors.
Other factors are the amount of what would naturally become diesel gets turned into gasoline by catalytic cracking. Gassers should pay extra for this.
Another market excuse is that the refiners want to recover the cost of the equipment used to bubble hydrogen through the LSD and convert it into ULSD by stripping off the sulfur and forming H2S.
The last market excuse I can think of is the cost of the Hydrogen made mostly from methane, that is used to strip out the sulfur.

Of course we all know that when oil hits $150.00 a 44 gallon barrel there will be an abundant supply that will last for a long time. To make things even better, all the urea added into the exhaust along with compact florescent light bulbs will fix Global Warming in the nick of time


Steve

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2006 Pearl Green CRD
Magnaflow 2 1/2" Cat Back
KJ Extra Leg Room Brackets, Carter Lift Pump, V6 Airbox, ORM
Fuel cooler, Oil Separator, Progard 7
Gauges EGT Boost Trans Temp Oil Pres, Michelin LXT AT2 245 70 R16
7,000# Draw Tight hitch, PML EX Deep Trans Pan
Centrifuge, SunCoast, Transgo, RAM TCM, InMotion Stage 2
Wife's 99 TDI VW Beetle

Yep, oil hit over $103 a barrel today.

That's after US crude inventories went up for the 7th straight week, and gasoline inventories hit a FOURTEEN YEAR HIGH!!!

OPEC said there's no need to raise production because there's a supply glut on the global market. They said the prices were due to nothing other than big money hedge funds trying to make a killing in oil futures.

Even Goldman Sachs, the people that wrote "Shorting Stocks 101", say there's no reason for oil to be higher than $80/barrel at most.

"Free market economy" my stupid - this is nothing more than robbery.

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Mitchell Oates
'87 MB 300D Diamond Blue Metallic
'87 MB 300D - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Sport CRD Stone White
Provent CCV Filter/AT2525 Muffler
Stanadyne 30 u/Cat 2 u Fuel Filters
Fumoto Drain/Fleetguard LF3487 Oil filter
V6 Airbox/Amsoil EAA Air Filter
Suncoast TC/Shift Kit/Aux Cooler
Kennedy Lift Pump/Return Fuel Cooler

3.999 = 4 bucks (@$#%s) at my local station

aww ! my cursing is censored

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Liberty CRD 2005
50K miles
ORM / EHM /facet lift pump
Suncoast TC and still shudders...
straight pipe.

Yes the 99 Infinity I30 gets 28 to 30 if you keep your foot out of it. I have to use cruise control to contain my desire to go fast.

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Sold 05 CRD Patriot Blue, hole in the roof, Trailer tow, factory skids, LSD, Saris load bars, Michelin LTX M/S
Current Bright white 2010 Dakota Quad Cab 4x4 V8

Bragging gassers and Hybrid owners measure their fuel economy under ideal conditions and ignore the lousy fuel economy they get under urban conditions. Since us diesel owners have good fuel economy in our blood, we tend to be more honest in what we get and report our figures under reasonable conditions that we truthfully detail, like towing a 5,000 lb trailer going east on I80 at 60mph.
Bragging Hybrid owners and gassers on the other hand will report what they got driving from Love Land Pass, CO to Denver International Airport at 3:00 AM @ 60f with a 40 MPH tail wind as their typical over all mileage.



Steve

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2006 Pearl Green CRD
Magnaflow 2 1/2" Cat Back
KJ Extra Leg Room Brackets, Carter Lift Pump, V6 Airbox, ORM
Fuel cooler, Oil Separator, Progard 7
Gauges EGT Boost Trans Temp Oil Pres, Michelin LXT AT2 245 70 R16
7,000# Draw Tight hitch, PML EX Deep Trans Pan
Centrifuge, SunCoast, Transgo, RAM TCM, InMotion Stage 2
Wife's 99 TDI VW Beetle

I just picked up a libby yesterday, and FREAKED OUT when I saw the price for diesel at a sunoco station here $3.95
and gas is $3.19. I don't live in New York , I'm in NE PA. I guess I rationalize it by figuring a gas liberty would be getting 15-20 mpg. All in all over the long run I'm better off. I Hope!

darn shame they keep jacking up diesel over RUG, I guess the general consumer just does not get that almost everything they purchase is moved on diesel in some form, and that the price of their commodities will reflect the increases.

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2006 CRD Sport

Where are ya, Coal Cracker? We're in the Saylorsburg/Stroudsburg area.

- Chris

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Used to own:
2006 CRD Sport
Suncoast TC, Transgo shift kit, Inmotion, ORM, EHM, Magnaflow SS exhaust, Fumoto valve, EVIC added, Hensley TruControl brake controller, Pirelli Scorpion ATR LR-D in spring/summer/fall, FIA winter front and Blizzaks in winter

Coal Cracker- My wife wrecked a 2004 Liberty and that is how I got the CRD for her.

My best fuel mileage ever in the gasser was 18 mpg, only two times. It ran at 14-16 mpg most of its life.

I am happy at 23-27 mpg in the CRD until diesel is 150% mogas price.

I'm in Weatherly, between Jim Thorpe And Hazleton.

It takes about 25% more oil to make a gallon of diesel fuel than a gallon of gas. So, if you figure you pay ~15% premium... make some assumptions about light sweet crude oil (the commodity) as a $% of gross retail cost (i.e.; back out margin's, refining, tax, etc...). Bad news, since Diesel uses more crude, as crude $'s go up and become a larger % of gross retail cost, the delta between gas and diesel should theoretically increase. Personally, I believe, as the carbon market matures, we (diesel consumers) should be given a break since we produce comparatively less carbon (green house gas). Wouldn't it be great if we got a carbon credit at the pump to help offset the higher production cost (e.g.; refining and crude)...

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2005 Flame Red CRD Sport
ASFIR Skids
245/75-16 KL71's
Al's Gen4 A-arms
Rubicon MOABs
Frankenlift II
2 ring clevis w/ rear spacer
Super Nerfs

I would like to see more info backing this up, it was my understanding that diesel was a by product of refining crude, and most if not all refineries in this country focus their refineries to produce as much gasoline as possible, I will have to look this up another time because it's very late. I believe it is mentioned in my post from a Popular Mechanic's/Science article I posted mid Dec. '07...

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06 Jeep KJ CRD Sport full Mopar skids, front tow hooks, rear hitch shackle, Magnaflow muffler, Samco Sport CAC hoses, 02 Airbox mod, Unique series 42 steel wheels.

Sorry, but no.

I'm not sure where you got that information from, but it smacks of the anti-diesel lobby, as that is the exact kind of crap they spew.

Crude oil is refined by heating in a column and waiting for the separation of layers. Hence why diesel is referred to as a "middle distillate" b/c it comes out from the middle of the column, heavier oil is below it, Kerosene is above it, gasoline is above that. As for the amounts... Not so much. Diesel is EASIER to refine than gasoline, and maintains more of the source hydrocarbon chains (and more volume by extension) than gasoline does.

Granted this explanation is extremely simplified, but it gets the general point across: As diesel is closer to the source material, it is easier to manufacture, and retains more volume b/c less needs to be removed to reach that final product.

I have seen postings extremely similar to yours in the last few days on several different alternative fuel or diesel forums. I would think there is a concerted effort to defame diesel engines just as they are regaining popularity and the future of this country might be one with less fuel usage... But then that would make me a conspiracy theorist.

It does make one wonder however... How far would the oil industry go? Taking back all the EV-1 cars and destroying them b/c they could put a big dent in oil... Defaming diesel for similar reasons... Constantly talking about "gas to liquid" and "gassification" of everything under the sun... Except that none of these products will be commercially available anytime soon... Defaming biodiesel from waste sources along with any other alternative fuel option as "unable to replace ALL of our needs, so let's not do it at all" kind of talk...

It certainly makes you think.

Resistance is futile.

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