Diesel Jeep Swap Package!

InCommando · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:29 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

If I remember right the 2.8 CRD to TJ swap cost $24,000,but that included a new engine,new tranny(545RFE),and abunch of modified parts,oh and labor.I'm sure if Jeep comes out with the same set-up that Dan uses it'll be cheaper,maybe $10,000-$14,000 for a complete kit with a new engine,tranny,and the required parts,but then you got labor if you do not install yourself.

You can get a 4bt NOW with a th400 tranny & do the whole swap for about $2k-$3k depending on how blingy you want to get.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:35 am

InCommando wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

If I remember right the 2.8 CRD to TJ swap cost $24,000,but that included a new engine,new tranny(545RFE),and abunch of modified parts,oh and labor.I'm sure if Jeep comes out with the same set-up that Dan uses it'll be cheaper,maybe $10,000-$14,000 for a complete kit with a new engine,tranny,and the required parts,but then you got labor if you do not install yourself.

You can get a 4bt NOW with a th400 tranny & do the whole swap for about $2k-$3k depending on how blingy you want to get.

But with a engine/tranny wieght twice that of the 2.8 and tranny,way more then the 4.0 I-6 and tranny.

Then you got all the custom brackets(motor mounts and such),wiring(making the stock electronics still work),and the ultra HD front springs and suspension to handle that beast,not to mention a t-case upgrade will be needed(a 231 won't cut it behind the 4BT) and front/rear diff upgrade(again the D30/D44 or D44/D44 won't handle that much torque).With labor your over $15,000 with the 4BT also.

Pablo · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1201

tjkj2002 wrote:

InCommando wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

If I remember right the 2.8 CRD to TJ swap cost $24,000,but that included a new engine,new tranny(545RFE),and abunch of modified parts,oh and labor.I'm sure if Jeep comes out with the same set-up that Dan uses it'll be cheaper,maybe $10,000-$14,000 for a complete kit with a new engine,tranny,and the required parts,but then you got labor if you do not install yourself.

You can get a 4bt NOW with a th400 tranny & do the whole swap for about $2k-$3k depending on how blingy you want to get.

But with a engine/tranny wieght twice that of the 2.8 and tranny,way more then the 4.0 I-6 and tranny.

Then you got all the custom brackets(motor mounts and such),wiring(making the stock electronics still work),and the ultra HD front springs and suspension to handle that beast,not to mention a t-case upgrade will be needed(a 231 won't cut it behind the 4BT) and front/rear diff upgrade(again the D30/D44 or D44/D44 won't handle that much torque).With labor your over $15,000 with the 4BT also.

I would hate to get tipsy with something that front heavy.

dieseltoyz · **Joined:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:28 pm **Posts:** 64

This is great news! If I remember correctly, burnsville said they wouldnt do any more crd swaps and actually took the page regarding them off of their website. They said it was due to the install being rather complicated and expensive.

dieseltoyz · **Joined:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:28 pm **Posts:** 64

Diesel Power also said the new Tundras would be getting a CAT diesel. They had a huge article on it and that was quite a while ago

wolcott · **Joined:** Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:16 pm **Posts:** 108

I'm glad to hear this. If the 2.8 is the same as the Liberty CRD, it will mean more mechanics trained to work on it and better parts available. The only thing that has worried me about the Libby was having an engine that would be tough to get parts and service for in the USA. The 2.8 is basically a good engine, once the engineered in problems (fuel filter, EGR, oil vent system etc) are fixed and they put an upgraded 2.8 in Wrangler, it would be a good engine for it.

honey_don't · **Posted:** Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:28 pm

JJsKJ wrote:

Heck, an early Tj just might be in my future then. You just can't have too many Jeeps! (doubt it will be legal in Cali though

)

you might want to check into that- see this post: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php? ... stcount=13

Uffe · **Posted:** Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:27 am

wolcott wrote:

I'm glad to hear this. If the 2.8 is the same as the Liberty CRD, it will mean more mechanics trained to work on it and better parts available. The only thing that has worried me about the Libby was having an engine that would be tough to get parts and service for in the USA. The 2.8 is basically a good engine, once the engineered in problems (fuel filter, EGR, oil vent system etc) are fixed and they put an upgraded 2.8 in Wrangler, it would be a good engine for it.

Hehe, I test drove one of the CRD 2.8 wrangler manuals in august last year. It was brilliant!

Engine is much more smooth than the KJ (in terms of knocking and diesel-sound) and delivers more torque

In europe we got the 2.8 CRD wranglers and I've been fortunate enough to get a little ride offroad in one of them, an auto, and it was schweet. A little lift and it would have been perfect

I actually bought the KJ because I loved that JK engine so much. Then later I found out the KJ was not using piezo injectors but instead solonoid ones. Dang.

kj lad · **Posted:** Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:36 am

I know a guy in the UK who has a 2000 TJ powered by a 2.5 CRD diesel engine from a 2003 KJ. It is coupled to a 5 speed manual from the same 2003 kj.

Suspension springs are heavy duty OME on all 4 corners. It also has a 2 inch bodylift and sits on 33" muds.

It's a pretty interesting rig,

Ian

chrismc · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:05 pm

I found this story elsewhere, and it contains a key piece of information VERY important to us. Hopefully there will be some parts out of this kit that we can borrow to take care of some "issues".

From 4WD & Sport Utility Blogs:

Quote:

Many jeepers have been waiting anxiously to swap a diesel into their Jeep. Their low-end torque and trail driveability, not to mention their fuel economy, has put diesels at the top of many jeepers wish list.

The wait is almost over! Jeep Performance, a division of Mopar Performance, is working on a stand-alone diesel engine swap kit to drop the 2.8 diesel that first appeared in the Jeep Liberty into your TJ, YJ, CJ, or? While we'll have more details (and maybe a photo or two) after Jeep Safari in Moab, this is the real deal and is going to happen. Everything needed to install the diesel mill into a Jeep will come with the kit - including a stand-alone wiring harness and non-EGR motor! You may have heard that some Liberty diesels had problems that were caused by a malfunctioning Exhaust Gas Recirculation system. The Jeep Performance diesel swap kit's 2.8 diesel doesn't have the troublesome EGR, so expect it to be problem-free. We'll get you more information when we get it. Stay tuned...

dieseltoyz · **Joined:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:28 pm **Posts:** 64

I am unsure how the engine will pass emissions testing without an EGR system. From my understanding, the EGR clogging was attributed to the high levels of sulphur in our diesel fuel when this engine was release in the USA (2005-2006). With the adoption of ULSD, I believe this problem has been resolved. I am however, anxiously awaiting more news on these kits as they are much in line with what we are doing with Toyotas.

cerich · **Posted:** Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:27 pm

chrismc wrote:

I found this story elsewhere, and it contains a key piece of information VERY important to us. Hopefully there will be some parts out of this kit that we can borrow to take care of some "issues".

From 4WD & Sport Utility Blogs:

Quote:

Many jeepers have been waiting anxiously to swap a diesel into their Jeep. Their low-end torque and trail driveability, not to mention their fuel economy, has put diesels at the top of many jeepers wish list.

The wait is almost over! Jeep Performance, a division of Mopar Performance, is working on a stand-alone diesel engine swap kit to drop the 2.8 diesel that first appeared in the Jeep Liberty into your TJ, YJ, CJ, or? While we'll have more details (and maybe a photo or two) after Jeep Safari in Moab, this is the real deal and is going to happen. Everything needed to install the diesel mill into a Jeep will come with the kit - including a stand-alone wiring harness and non-EGR motor! You may have heard that some Liberty diesels had problems that were caused by a malfunctioning Exhaust Gas Recirculation system. The Jeep Performance diesel swap kit's 2.8 diesel doesn't have the troublesome EGR, so expect it to be problem-free. We'll get you more information when we get it. Stay tuned...

More importantly we can use MOPARs admission that the "Liberty diesels had problems that were caused by a malfunctioning Exhaust Gas Recirculation system" when you need to sue them for the cost of repairs on the EGR system out of warranty.

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

No, the most important question is whether the 545re tranny in this bundle will come pre-neutered with the F37 software, or if that tranny will come with software that could be applied to our CRD's.

bhysjulien · **Posted:** Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:16 pm

I was at the Dealership for an oilchange today and asked if they had any info on this package yet. I was told that Chrysler hasn't sent the dealerships any info on it yet. Hurry up and wait.

Uffe · **Posted:** Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:29 am

Threeweight wrote:

No, the most important question is whether the 545re tranny in this bundle will come pre-neutered with the F37 software, or if that tranny will come with software that could be applied to our CRD's.

It's been F37 neutered allright. The JKs we get has got 400Nm of torque as an auto box, but 410Nm as a manual. The 545RFE is still not up to snuff. I had a Wrangler catalogue once and saw that the auto ones were "detuned" because the engine was "too powerful" - heheh

Uffe · **Posted:** Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:45 am

cerich wrote:

chrismc wrote:

I found this story elsewhere, and it contains a key piece of information VERY important to us. Hopefully there will be some parts out of this kit that we can borrow to take care of some "issues".

From 4WD & Sport Utility Blogs:

Quote:

Many jeepers have been waiting anxiously to swap a diesel into their Jeep. Their low-end torque and trail driveability, not to mention their fuel economy, has put diesels at the top of many jeepers wish list.

The wait is almost over! Jeep Performance, a division of Mopar Performance, is working on a stand-alone diesel engine swap kit to drop the 2.8 diesel that first appeared in the Jeep Liberty into your TJ, YJ, CJ, or? While we'll have more details (and maybe a photo or two) after Jeep Safari in Moab, this is the real deal and is going to happen. Everything needed to install the diesel mill into a Jeep will come with the kit - including a stand-alone wiring harness and non-EGR motor! You may have heard that some Liberty diesels had problems that were caused by a malfunctioning Exhaust Gas Recirculation system. The Jeep Performance diesel swap kit's 2.8 diesel doesn't have the troublesome EGR, so expect it to be problem-free. We'll get you more information when we get it. Stay tuned...

More importantly we can use MOPARs admission that the "Liberty diesels had problems that were caused by a malfunctioning Exhaust Gas Recirculation system" when you need to sue them for the cost of repairs on the EGR system out of warranty.

I don't think you can get a VM motori without an EGR valve on it. It might be vacuum controlled instead of electrically controlled though. Have a look at their own website at www.vmmotori.it and go to the 4-banger section and look at R428 and RA428 - both are mentioned to have water-cooled EGR valves on them. So normally they have an EGR valve...

indianrefining · **Posted:** Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:48 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

"Rumor has it that mopar performance is working on a diesel engine swap kit for 1997 to 2006 Jeep Wranglers. If it's true, we expect the details to be released at this year's Moab Easter Jeep Safari. Our guess is that the kit will be based on the 2.8L VM Motori four-cylinder diesel that was offered in the Jeep Liberty. If successful, the 2.8L crate engine may lead mopar to offer other diesel engines (did somebody say Cummins?) for larger vehicles in the future."

Diesel Power Magazine, pg 34

Look for the new Cummins 5.6 V8, 4.2 V6 and 2.8 I4(?) in the 2010 model year offerings from Chrysler. :wink:

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:57 am

This news is almost too good to be true! But I saw something about it in Petersen's this month too. Wow!

Only problem is...we're looking at almost $10K for this kit, right? And that means most people would be foolish to install it into a YJ or TJ that's worth less than that as a whole. Still...the possibilities this opens up are endless!

retmil46 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:25 pm

Over on one of the JK boards, a gent associated with one conversion company(AEV I believe), said that from his info this kit is going to use the T1 military version of the engine and tranny - thus no EGR, no variable turbo, minimal electronics and wiring - as rock simple as they can make it.

Down side is, with the rock simple military version, there's a significant reduction in HP and torque compared to the version we have in the KJ - I think 120 HP and 200 ftlbs was quoted.

rpapkey · **Joined:** Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:48 pm **Posts:** 39

tjkj2002 wrote:

InCommando wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

If I remember right the 2.8 CRD to TJ swap cost $24,000,but that included a new engine,new tranny(545RFE),and abunch of modified parts,oh and labor.I'm sure if Jeep comes out with the same set-up that Dan uses it'll be cheaper,maybe $10,000-$14,000 for a complete kit with a new engine,tranny,and the required parts,but then you got labor if you do not install yourself.

You can get a 4bt NOW with a th400 tranny & do the whole swap for about $2k-$3k depending on how blingy you want to get.

But with a engine/tranny wieght twice that of the 2.8 and tranny,way more then the 4.0 I-6 and tranny.

Then you got all the custom brackets(motor mounts and such),wiring(making the stock electronics still work),and the ultra HD front springs and suspension to handle that beast,not to mention a t-case upgrade will be needed(a 231 won't cut it behind the 4BT) and front/rear diff upgrade(again the D30/D44 or D44/D44 won't handle that much torque).With labor your over $15,000 with the 4BT also.

The Highest torque you can get out a stock 4bta is 305. Dana 44s will easily handle that. The weight is an issue but not as bad as you seem to think. The weight of the engine and an NV4500 weigh approximatly 450lbs more than the stock 4.0-ax15. Think about it thats 2 fat buddies sitting in the back seat. If you've ever been in a REAL jeep you know thats actually the only way you get a semicomfortable ride anyway. A lifted yj should easily hold the weight with the use of helper springs on top of almost any lift springs. (I drive a YJ BTW so My thought process always involves leaf springs.)

Not to mention durability, Iron block, head there isn't anything more durable. It's also built in the US by an american company. Yes VM is a holding of Detroit diesel but it's still Italian built we all know manufacturing is the biggest cost in a company is manufacturing. Therefore the majority of your dollar goes to the Italian economy. Not so with a cummins the 4bta is built in Columbus Ohio. Not really a huge thing unless your friends, neighbors, and family live here in the USA and require the products they build/market/sell/maintain, in order to make their living.

As far as installing it's no different than any other engine swap. If anything it's easier in the way of wiring. There's no management computers or ignition boxes. You need 3 wires to make it start, One to keep it running. (Not counting the grounding braid.) To tell you the truth i have no idea how hard it'd be to make the VM run but considering throttle by wire, computer controlled injector timing, and electronic vv turbo i'm going to guess it's complicated.

I'm not trying to be an booty or anything, I'm just trying to encourage anyone that doesn't want to spend $10,00+ Just to get a diesel wrangler. You guys really seem very in love with this Pasta Mill.

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