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Uffe · **Posted:** Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:42 pm

rpapkey wrote:

I'm not trying to be an @$#% or anything, I'm just trying to encourage anyone that doesn't want to spend $10,00+ Just to get a diesel wrangler. You guys really seem very in love with this Pasta Mill.

Oh I don't mind you calling my cars engine a Pasta Mill. No no, not at all. I won't think you're an booty, or anything.

I just think you're a retarded strategist.

honey_don't · **Posted:** Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:52 pm

rpapkey wrote:

Yes VM is a holding of Detroit diesel

Two weeks ago the wikipedia entry for VM reflected the above, now it says different. Check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VM_Motori

You are right, the 4BT swap is a great option and very cost effective. There is a whole forum dedicated to it:
http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/index.php
search youtube for some videos of various rigs with the swap, keywords: 4bt cummins

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:00 pm

rpapkey wrote:

Not so with a cummins the 4bta is built in Columbus Ohio. Not really a huge thing unless your friends, neighbors, and family live here in the USA and require the products they build/market/sell/maintain, in order to make their living.

You guys really seem very in love with this Pasta Mill.

I live in Columbus Ohio

Where is there a Cummins plant here? There's Navistar in Springfield that's 50 miles west of here that builds power strokes and had a V6 diesel ready for ford that ford didn't want.

My Pasta Mill just happened to be the only player on the block when I got it in 06 and it's still the only player on the block :shock:

honey_don't · **Posted:** Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:42 pm

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/13/jeep ... -wrangler/

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:57 pm

...not Ohio. Columbus, IN is off I65 south of Indy, just in case you ever want to say you have been there.

I can't knock Cummins, but I like the superior projection and performance of my STRADAVARIOUS Pasta Mill

Steve

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:49 pm

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The Highest torque you can get out a stock 4bta is 305. Dana 44s will easily handle that. The weight is an issue but not as bad as you seem to think. The weight of the engine and an NV4500 weigh approximatly 450lbs more than the stock 4.0-ax15. Think about it thats 2 fat buddies sitting in the back seat. If you've ever been in a REAL jeep you know thats actually the only way you get a semicomfortable ride anyway. A lifted yj should easily hold the weight with the use of helper springs on top of almost any lift springs. (I drive a YJ BTW so My thought process always involves leaf springs.)

Who leaves anything stock? Not a true Jeeper :wink:

. Your 2 fat buddies are in the rear not sitting right on top of the front diff,a D44 will not like that wieght and will bend offroad,unless you get a HP44 from a older Ford pickup,they have 1/2" axle tubes.

Oh and yes I have owned/drove those so called "real Jeeps" and know how they ride,not any different then my KJ(untill you go back to the '70's and older).

And yes cast iron block/head will last longer,I strongly support American made stuff,but unless it's going to be a trail rig only type of thing a 4Bt/NV4500 is not the way to go in a newer Wrangler.Yes you only need 3 wires to make it run,now how you going to mate all the Wranglers basic electronics to those 3 wires?

rpapkey · **Joined:** Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:48 pm **Posts:** 39

I didn't mean that post to be as abrasive as it sounded. I really didn't.

If you go to http://jeep2diesel.org/ There are a few guys that have already accomplished the cummins swap. A couple have even kept the dana 30 Now don't get me wrong i don't think it'd hold up in any hardcore rockcrawling but for the pavement pounders that lets be honest 80-90%of the jeeps out there are i think it'd hold up fine.

I honestly have nothing against the pasta mill but to me your wasting your money and an awful lot of adaptation time. Hell chrysler has teams of experianced engineers and they still couldn't get it right. I have no plans in the near future to get rid of my little liberty. It's great for getting my wife back and forth to work. Heck who knows if i put a couple grand into it it MIGHT live up to it's trail rated badge. In the mean time it does a great job of pulling my little camper, and handling the on-road nasty conditions we get in the near arctic northern michigan winter.

And whats wrong with the term "pasta mill" I don't have any negative feelings when i say it. I think it's kindof a good description.

BTW check this out
http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/showthread.php?t=112807
If the 4BTA is too heavy here's a pretty cool alternative to all the electronic headaches the VM poses.

My mistake about the columbus OH, I knew i read columbus somewhere I just always think OH when i think columbus. Same difference though they are still your neighbors, friends, family, etc.

Sorry about the HIJACK, I won't post in this thread again if anyone wants to turn this friendly conversation into an argument we'll take it elsewhere.

(EDIT) and just to clarify I have absolutely nothing against the VM it's a great little engine. I just don't think it's the best swap option.

rpapkey · **Joined:** Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:48 pm **Posts:** 39

And yes, this swap kit news is great. Just think of what the wrangler guys are gonna stir up in the aftermarket for this little chugger. Not to mention if chrysler gets a deal on a better EGR system, or even the Crank breather system. This may fix all but the air in fuel issue. This is great news.

Uffe · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:23 am

By your own definition, is the cummins engines then burger factories?

indianrefining · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:40 am

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indianrefining · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:46 am

rpapkey wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

InCommando wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

Not so with a cummins the 4bta is built in Columbus Ohio.

FYI, Cummins Inc. (formerly Cummins Engine Company) is headquartered in Columbus, INDIANA not Columbus, Ohio. Plant 1 in Columbus is currently gearing up for production of the new 5.6 V8 and 4.2 V6 which are earmarked for 2010 model year Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge vehicles. :wink:

tonycrd · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:04 am

Rpapkey you made the worst mistake ever. Calling the KJ not a REAL Jeep. ( most of us have heard that to much )

Now don't do that again or we'll all spank ya and send you to your room.

For a modern car like the JK or KJ fitting an engine with a 1980´s design is a waste of time and money. So for me that 4bta is out. I would find it a challange to get a VM in there and wired up and running!

I hear nobody about what comes out of the tailpipe in the end? If we all want to keep enjoying forrest trails we need to think about the enviroment too ( just a little now don't get al tree hugging hippie on me ).

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:17 pm

..is a lot cleaner than what comes out of the older 4.0L engines. Besides, try to find a VM 2.8L in the salvage yard, all of the Libertys even the gassers I have found are already stripped.
But, you may need to stretch the box add a set Dana rear axle with duals to get the GVW rating up to the engine class so you can comply with the emissions.
Or you may need to do that just to handle the extra torque and weight.

Steve

indianrefining · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:37 pm

tonycrd wrote:

Rpapkey you made the worst mistake ever. Calling the KJ not a REAL Jeep.

I'm not so sure that that was the worst mistake. Intimating that Cummins is based in Ohio, for God's sake, would be an awfully close second! :roll:

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

indianrefining wrote:

FYI, Cummins Inc. (formerly Cummins Engine Company) is headquartered in Columbus, INDIANA not Columbus, Ohio.

With manufacturing facilities in Mexico, China, etc... now. Ain't globalization fun?

indianrefining · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:15 pm

Threeweight wrote:

indianrefining wrote:

FYI, Cummins Inc. (formerly Cummins Engine Company) is headquartered in Columbus, INDIANA not Columbus, Ohio.

With manufacturing facilities in Mexico, China, etc... now. Ain't globalization fun?

And New York, and North Carolina, and Tennessee, and England, and Scotland, etc. But not Ohio. And the head-shed is still in Columbus, INDIANA! :mrgreen:

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:36 pm

Komatsu uses Cummins engines.

Steve

indianrefining · **Posted:** Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:40 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

Komatsu uses Cummins engines.

Steve

Yup. Have for a long time. And the Kirloskar JV in India. Smart people all over the world! :lol:

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

indianrefining wrote:

Smart people all over the world! :lol:

Absolutely, and Cummins builds great stuff. But criticizing the VM motor swap for the Wranglers based on it not being made by an American company is a little silly when the General Motors/VM arrangement is no different that the arrangement Cummins has with suppliers all over the world.

indianrefining · **Posted:** Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:39 am

Threeweight wrote:

indianrefining wrote:

Smart people all over the world! :lol:

Absolutely, and Cummins builds great stuff. But criticizing the VM motor swap for the Wranglers based on it not being made by an American company is a little silly when the General Motors/VM arrangement is no different that the arrangement Cummins has with suppliers all over the world.

Hey - I wasn't arguing that point. My only gripe was saying that Cummins' home was Columbus, Ohio, rather than Columbus, Indiana. (Columbus, Ohio is the home of The (whoop-de-do) Ohio State University, the very thought of which gives me gas with oily discharge.) :mrgreen:

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