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We could have a wide selection of fuel-efficient, relatively low-emission diesel vehicles in the US if both the Feds and California would simply amend the clean air laws to the European standard for diesel engines smaller than 3.0 liters. I seriously doubt that this would cause a net increase in emissions because many vehicle owners would likely "trade down" from much less efficient gasoline or diesel vehicles. Also, I've always thought emissions regulations that concentrated solely on the tailpipe without considering what happens to fuel economy to be pretty silly. Why? Because they don't account for all of the additional emissions that occur upstream in everything from the crude production, to refining, to fuel distribution systems to get more fuel to the vehicle fuel tank made necessary by emission regulation compromised fuel economy. Dumb. At least Europe seems to have figured that out. 4WD's there with fuel economy figures over 30 mpg (US) highway for mid-sized SUV's and pickups. Cars? I just looked at the specs on the Nissan Micra diesel--fuel economy (converted to US) of 43 mpg city and 55 mpg highway--in a vehicle that comparatively would cost about 2/3's of what a Toyota Prius would cost to buy, and with much simpler technology.

It's pretty sad when third-world countries can get vehicles with fuel economy much better than what is available in the US (there are even some much more fuel-efficient 4WD's than what we can get being sold just south of us in Mexico). Given the US's rapidly diminishing oil reserves and growing dependence on ever-more insecure and depleting worldwide oil reserves, we had better be doing something about fuel economy or WE will be a third world country.


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We could have a wide selection of fuel-efficient, relatively low-emission diesel vehicles in the US if both the Feds and California would simply amend the clean air laws to the European standard for diesel engines smaller than 3.0 liters. I seriously doubt that this would cause a net increase in emissions because many vehicle owners would likely "trade down" from much less efficient gasoline or diesel vehicles. Also, I've always thought emissions regulations that concentrated solely on the tailpipe without considering what happens to fuel economy to be pretty silly. Why? Because they don't account for all of the additional emissions that occur upstream in everything from the crude production, to refining, to fuel distribution systems to get more fuel to the vehicle fuel tank made necessary by emission regulation compromised fuel economy. Dumb. At least Europe seems to have figured that out. 4WD's there with fuel economy figures over 30 mpg (US) highway for mid-sized SUV's and pickups. Cars? I just looked at the specs on the Nissan Micra diesel--fuel economy (converted to US) of 43 mpg city and 55 mpg highway--in a vehicle that comparatively would cost about 2/3's of what a Toyota Prius would cost to buy, and with much simpler technology.

It's pretty sad when third-world countries can get vehicles with fuel economy much better than what is available in the US (there are even some much more fuel-efficient 4WD's than what we can get being sold just south of us in Mexico). Given the US's rapidly diminishing oil reserves and growing dependence on ever-more insecure and depleting worldwide oil reserves, we had better be doing something about fuel economy or WE will be a third world country.


I agree with you 100%. However, according to many oil experts, we have some of the largest oil fields known in the world. There is the oil field that ranges from Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, and into Canada that is suppose to be bigger than the Alaska reserve. According to reports, our country would be set for the next 50 plus years just on that oil field alone, especially with new oil drilling technology. Here in Western Kansas, there has been numerous reports (within the past year) that we have massive oil fields setting here. Of course, we also set on top of the Ogallala aquifer, which is the main water source for much of Western Kansas, Nebraska, Eastern Colorado and parts of Texas, New Mexico, and Oklahoma. There are several Canadian oil companies (with Canadian tags) driving around and taking data. They are all driving brand new Dodge Cummins pickup trucks and servicing them at the local Dealership. The Service Guy told me that they are here gathering data on oil fields that are suppose to be pretty massive.

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Indeed. Take a gander at the latest issue of Popular Mechanics (the one with the oil barrel on the cover). One article details recent oil and natural gas field discoveries. One natural gas field discovered this year lies under NY, PA, and Ohio, estimated to hold over 500 trillion (yes, trillion with a "t") cubic feet of natural gas.

As far as California and the CARB states - it's not the hippies and yuppies that are the problem, it's the professional appointed bureaucrats that get off on playing god - that single-mindedly push their own agenda to justify their jobs, losing sight of what the consequences and blowback will be in other areas, and what effect these unintended consequences will have on the people they're supposedly protecting and serving with these regulations.

Latest nonsense I've heard is that they want to impose CARB regulations on cruise and merchant ships, not only while in port or inside U.S. territorial waters, BUT UP TO 200 MILES OFF THEIR COAST!!! WTF?? Last I checked anything past 12 miles was international waters - good friggin luck imposing even a federal mandate, much less a state one. Someone in CARB must be suffering from a severe case of megalomania if they think they can suddenly grant themselves powers that not even the U.S. government or the U.N. have. What are they gonna do, buy some mothballed frigates from the USN, form their own navy, and go running around on the high seas boarding merchant ships to enforce a sate regulation? GMAFB.

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Indeed. Take a gander at the latest issue of Popular Mechanics (the one with the oil barrel on the cover). One article details recent oil and natural gas field discoveries. One natural gas field discovered this year lies under NY, PA, and Ohio, estimated to hold over 500 trillion (yes, trillion with a "t") cubic feet of natural gas.


http://houston.craigslist.org/pol/600023759.html
"America is sitting on top of a super massive 200 billion barrel Oil Field that could potentially make America Energy Independent and until now has largely gone unnoticed. Thanks to new technology the Bakken Formation in North Dakota could boost America’s Oil reserves by an incredible 10 times, giving western economies the trump card against OPEC’s short squeeze on oil supply and making Iranian and Venezuelan threats of disrupted supply irrelevant."

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Seems to me that this maybe an opportunity for someone to share their experiences on this topic. What can be done to the CRD to increase MPG?

Thanks for the suggestions.


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Seems to me that this maybe an opportunity for someone to share their experiences on this topic. What can be done to the CRD to increase MPG?

Thanks for the suggestions.


If I want increased mpg I leave the kj at home and take the Patriot. :lol:

Seriously it seems no matter how I drive the kj CRD the mpg only differs by a few mpg when using the same roads.

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Remove things that increase wind drag (cargo boxes, bike racks, etc...) if you don't need them regularly
Inflate tires to max pressure listed on sidewall.
Check air filter, install new if dirty (or do the V6 air box mod if you live in a wet climate)
Replace fuel filter every 20k
Check and clean MAP filter
Do ORM mod or SEGR (in part for greater mpgs, but more so to avoid repeated EGR failures due to the poor design)
Replace muffler with a hi-flow of some sort
Drive conservatively (no jackrabbit starts in the city, anticipate red lights and stop signs so that you coast as much as practical)
Highway driving, keep your speed down (around 64 mph is the sweet spot, the Liberty has the aerodynamics of a brick and wind resistance increases exponentially with higher speeds)
Most importantly, combine trips and avoid driving when it isn't necessary

Long term, if you want a spend less $$ on fuel ignore the ads on TV touting how sexy it is to drive a Hummer or Escalade that gets 12 mpg and buy the most efficient vehicle that suits your needs (it is why I ended up buying the CRD). Consumer demand drives the market (and advertising drives consumer demand), and until automakers see there is a clear demand for more efficient vehicles, they have no reason to invest in more efficient technology and the infrastructure needed to support it.

That, or you can invest in a tin foil hat and blame the government for lack of diesel options, your dog being hit by a car, and for Britney Spears not wearing underpants.

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