Can I use Off Road Diesel?

dieseltoyz · **Joined:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:28 pm **Posts:** 64

In Texas it is now illegal to retail biodiesel without a proprietary additive added to every gallon sold. The additive is a BP petroleum product that they lobbied to get passed. Today, truckers are parking their rigs along IH-35 in protest of the surge in diesel prices. The oil companies today have also come under scrutiny by congress over their record high $181 Billion in profits last year. Over the last 10 years in San Antonio, we have paid for new roads to be build along 281, IH-10, and 151. You wanna know how many we have now? Zero! Instead, TX-DOT is adding another tax to every gallon of fuel sold and is building toll roads with the money! Roads that have already been paid for and then some. This has caused an uproar in San Antonio as TX-DOT last year reported to have a budget surplus. Now they say they're broke. I say if you want to fill up with off-road diesel when nobody's looking, go for it. Especially since my tax dollars are used to subsidize the oil companies $billions annually to keep fuel cheap. But currently, oil is set by it's world market value. So our subsidies are having little-to-no effect on our price for oil. So I say that if you filled up all year long with off-road diesel, you're getting a small return on your investment in the taxes you paid for the subsidies that are not being applied.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:48 pm

As for internet sales taxes, the only way you are legally liable for sales taxes on internet purchases is if you buy from a company with a physical presence in your state. US Congress put a moratorium on state taxes on internet commerce back in 2000 and its gotten renewed twice now. Nice try though.

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This does not stop states from trying to sucker in stupid people who will pay the tax on out of state internet purchases, implying that some one mentioned would is directed as intended

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:15 pm

crd liberty wrote:

Turbo Tim wrote:

OOh No! I guess this means when I make up the next veggie oil batch I'm going to jail cause I didn't pay someone off......
Wait a minute, I paid tax on those French fries..

Home brewed at the moment doesn't apply.
However , get it to the point where you can resell it, the Gov. will give you
millions in tax rebates whether you sell it or not.

Just my thought is all
Steve

Oh yes it does, and don't let the state of California know your are running homebrew without paying taxes.

Did you read the article about the person in south carolina who was fined $2000 for running SVO?

kccrd · **Joined:** Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:35 pm **Posts:** 267

The federal government makes more money from a gallon of gas or diesel than the oil companies about 45 cents per gallon a lot more than the oil companies make. They make around 6 to 10 cent per gallon sold and they have to drill for it refine it transport it and sell it all the government does is collect the taxes wow that's hard to do. Oh and buy the way Exxon Mobil only gets 24 to 25 percent of there profits from the United States according to there 2006 annual report. Think about that for a bit. Our crds run just fine on dyed fuel the only difference is there is red dye in the off road fuel.

Turbo Tim · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:30 pm

Just thinkin', I wonder what color dye one would have to add to change from red to say, yellow? (or any other color but red).

06LIB · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:38 pm

As much as oil companies rip us ALL off, you wont hurt my feelings if you get one over on them !!! As a mater of fact Im going to fill my gasser up with some off road diesel right now just to p%ss them off!!! :wink:

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:38 pm

just my two cents, I would be surprised if any liberty crd owner has ever been dipped. Most of the time, it is done to trucks at a port of entry or mobile weight scale.... oh and if one were wishing to change that color, there are dyes that are made for oil. people use these dyes to find out where a machine is leaking and what compartment is leaking. Caterpillar sells a blue and red dye. But the factory uses, green, orange, purple, blue, red, and a light green....

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:39 pm

Turbo Tim wrote:

Just thinkin', I wonder what color dye one would have to add to change from red to say, yellow? (or any other color but red).

They can still trace the red dye,it can be still traced after about 10 tanks of non-dyed fuel,my father gets tested by the sherrif about once a month,along with just about every deisel owner.

geordi · **Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:50 pm

Well, that sucks for you. Florida only dips the trucks, and usually only in West Miami b/c that is where all the illegals are driving the dump trucks (rock quarries) and using red fuel. Being familiar with the South Florida area, I can answer this quite readily:

The red fuel is THE EXACT SAME fuel as the non-dyed taxed fuel. South Florida has NO pipelines, every drop comes in from the port in Ft Lauderdale. As such, it is far too inefficient to have 2 grades of diesel come in on those ships. Go to the port, and look at the tank farm. Count how many you see. 3 per company, right? RUG, PUG, #2. The Avgas and Jet-A are not stored locally at the port.

Now... As for filling up. Don't put it directly into your tank, thats stupid and you are asking for some arsehat to report you because they want to be a Richard about it. I agree that the taxes have already been paid for our roads, especially since the state has been raping those accounts and making noises about setting up special toll-lanes on I-95 and 595... AND possibly selling the roads wholesale to foreign businesses. Gotta love the Elephant Dung party, pissing away what is owned by the PUBLIC to line their own pockets.

Go to your local car wash. You might need to visit several. Ask them if you can have their left-over poly drums, intact, with the caps. Use a trailer and fill the drum on that, so it is obvious that it is NOT going in your "car" and take it away.

Don't fill your vehicle anywhere near that station, ever.

I'm not saying anything like I've ever done this, but I have considered all the options and ramifications of doing it. Also, Florida does not require any registration to buy the fuel, its sold just like any other fuel. Personally, I would pay cash. Many do, and they are using it to fill bulldozers. They pay cash b/c they are illegals and don't have credit cards.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:35 am

It is the same way here, you can buy at the pump like any other diesel.

I personally wouldn't risk it for just driving around, that and I have some reservations about circumventing "the law" in this case.

However I would not feel bad at all in running when offroading, or for a generator, etc.

I look forward to the day I can buy some dyed diesel for testing purposes.

However, it is somewhat disconcerting that you could be caught up and fined, if you actually used it off road, but mixed it in with other gas in your tank.

I suppose you could have two seperate tanks, but then if someone actually checked your tank(s) they probably wouldn't care that you only used one tank for off road driving.

Plus, what counts as "off-road"? most of the trails I drive on are still counted as county roads and maintained by the county, so I suppose that doesn't really count either.

Reflex · **Joined:** Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:48 pm **Posts:** 567

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fastRob · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:44 am

I bought the Libby as an alternative fuel vehicle.
I see terrible times ahead and am getting ready for it.
Yes, I bought a generator and food for Y2K. My wife made fun of me at first, now, after so many power outages she says it was one of our smartest purchases.
This is not an endorsement to break any laws. I follow the speed limits and pay all taxes.
When the poop hits the rotating blades, like the govinmint says, 'Do not worry there is no inflation,' we will be ready or as ready as we can be.
How ready will you be?

MRausch82 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:38 am

I know you can buy off-road here. I have purchased it for tractors (and other uses :wink:

) with no issues. Last time I checked, it was not *that* much cheaper than regular diesel.

greggmig · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:53 am

I just want to voice my opinion on who is actually stealing! The government is stealing from the tax payers!! Everyone who collects wellfare is stealing from every tax payer! And every politician who passes laws to give our hard eaned money away to lazy, law breaking, unappreciative, self entitled scum

I have to work two jobs to have what I want for me and my family,and I'll be hard pressed if Im going to piss it away to failed programs that keep us all enslaved for the common good! Wake up people don't let THEM control our lives. Is that not what our boys are fighting for! OUR FREEDOM!!

Relex Im all for our bridges and road to be maintained after all I ride Harleys, here in the peoples republic of Massachusetts the roads SUCK! they tax us the death with vehicle excise taxes $25 per thousand of valuation every year and 22 cents a gallon of gasoline! Where the frick is all that revenue going?? The roads could have gold plated curbing if it was souley spend where it was intended! Not paying road taxes when given the opportunity, if we put all things into perspective is not stealing! Thats if the government is not stealing from us!

crd liberty · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:56 am

Here is a crack down on stolen fuel and red diesel in Fort Myers area.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23745401/

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:12 am

... and own diesels, any diesel. Sounds petty, but there is no limit how low any unelected moron who works for the government will go to go after the EASY TARGET a law abiding U.S. Citizen. Second Amendment Advocates have put up with this for a very long time. As I type this the latest flash on the Radio is the State of Illinois will be going after the money strippers get stuffed into their G STRING Straps. Companies cut out waste as we all know, when Government pulls crap like harassing home owners who heat with oil and own diesels and send government officials to check out a strippers G STRING Strap for cash, there are too many on their payroll and they need to cut the size of the staff of those respective departments.

I ripped out the oil furnace converted it to burn waste oil and put it into my shop then I replaced it with natural gas, no more harassment. Since I am too old and have the wrong equipment no one will be shoving cash into any skimpy clothing I would wear, they should leave me alone on this issue.
I just hope there is no G String wearing Stripper with warp2 tattooed on their body, they may try coming after me instead :lol:

0311_DoC · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:22 am

guys, I am no diesel fuel genius. However we need to keep the bashing down to a minimum. if this continues admin will lock the thread and start banning people. we all have our views and opinions. Just accept it. And of course L.O.S.T. does not condone any breaking of the law.

bugnout · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:25 am

I filled up with off-road diesel once by accident one time. Didn't know the difference. My CRD ran fine on it. Clerk pointed it out after I had filled up, just warned me I could get stopped. CRD ran much better on the it probably due to there being no taxes applied

A little civil disobedience every once in a while goes a long way.

I understood that its only for vehicles designed primarily to be offroad, tractors, dozers etc. but some of these actually operate on the road sometime for exampte to get from one job site to another. Maybe 90%-10% offroad

Well my CRD operates about the opposite 10% 90% offroad. Seems reasonable that I could mix in a tank of offroad diesel every 10th tank. Probably not legal, but reasonable. Seems I can never find an off-road diesel pump anywhere near the places I go wheeling.

ccattie · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:50 am

Reflex - please explain what is illegal by asking if off road diesel would work in our CRDs? Please tell me. If I asked "would shooting a human in the head kill it?" did I do anything illegal? I did not say I was going to, I just asked. Go back to your reputable boards. You seem to criticize people a lot.
-c

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warp2diesel · **Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:07 am

.... or down state IL, I fill up and fill up my two 5 gal (20L) jugs and bring them home. This way I get out of paying the extra Rape and Flog Ya Local sales tax added on by the County.

To get back to the Topic: In areas where there is a high demand for LSD and you see signs with big arrows at the truck stops pointing to LSD and ULSD, the local OFF ROAD will be LSD because it is cheaper and not the higher priced ULSD. In areas where all the pumps are ULSD the off road will be ULSD since it costs too much to haul an extra truck load.

I will attempt my best to put Reflex's attitude into perspective. I have never heard reports of any pedophiles in or around the Seattle area. It is suspected by some that when BIG BROTHER catchs a pedophile, BIG BROTHER drags him off to a dark place and use hypnosis to redirect his rage away from young children and toward adults driving cars, then BIG BROTHER gives him a badge and a RADAR GUN. If you are going down a steep grade 1 MPH over, they get you. One time when I was north of Everett and I saw two of these suspect reprogramees on Motor Cycles and kept driving 54MPH in a 55 MPH zone, an old woman slowly passed me and they both nailed her for speeding. This form of mental reprogramming gets one class of criminal off the street, but distorts the sense of reality some people have. I hope this allows you to grasp that perspective as to why some have such a hard line view of some laws.

I hope BIG BROTHER never attempt this hypnosis mental reprogramming on mass murderers and redirects them to go after diesel owners with RED DYE in their fuel tanks :lol:

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