Superlift Liberty Lift

krazz1e · **Posted:** Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:57 pm

Just to point out, I think the WK & XK run a steel front dana 30, where ours is a 30a aluminum.

From what I understand it's not the diff that explodes internally, it's the housing that cracks, therefore causing the failure. Perhaps when some WK & XK start hitting the junkyard it may be a simple bolt on.

ARBSeth · **Posted:** Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:20 pm

I think you guys missed the point. Not to be condescending (You've all seen pics of my 02, I wheel the hell out of it and it breaks all the time, that's half the problem) but the fact that the words explode or grenade come up when talking about a rig makes things tough for us lift companies. I've worked inside the system for us since I bought mine, so know that I feel your frustrations.

If it's weak when you put the lift on, your lift will make it worse. If it breaks when you put the lift on, naturally you the consumer will blame the lift and the lift company. So, to prevent headaches and lawsuits, you have to make it strong enough so it won't break (Ask RK about that). To do that with a Liberty is a heavy undertaking. I don't mean to debate the KJ's body over an XJ or any other part for that matter, but if you want, drop me a pm and I can give you the reason's why an XJ is easy to do and a KJ isn't.

The bottom line is DC didn't have a clue that we would take a Jeep with IFS that was designed with a Soccer Mom in mind and wheel it. They sell a ton of em to them and we wheelers are the minority. The platform isn't rugged enough for a larger lift without signifigant reenforcement on multiple levels and that costs money. I read the Superlift post, and alomst everyone us said get it in under $2000. They can't build it for the price point we're willing to pay. Doesn't mean the KJ is a heap, it just means we're cheap.

Cacher123 · **Posted:** Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:52 pm

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Its as if my girlfriend tried on a beautiful dress, right after getting out of bed, and asked me if it looked good on her, while her hair was pointed in all directions and she had poofy sleepy eyes...

That's a minefield! :shock:

Remember, the answer is not "That doesn't look good on you"...... but "You have clothes that look better on you"!! :wink:

USAFCOP · **Posted:** Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:55 pm

gang, you all remember, I wasall giddy about it after I talked to a superlift rep at a car show in KC a few years back, and he told me about the plans in their company for a liberty 4" lift, and even said they were almost ready ro test it... Then we heard nothing from them at all.

This shows that they are taking their time and actually testing it off road before release unlike some have... Could be as Seth said, the fiscal elements are not their. Now I am all for a 4-5" kit to lift us just a little more, but really, if it costs them 1200 to make it and get the tooling done, and ensure it works, they are not going to sell enough of them to justify it or sell it for 2000 or less... And really to me, 1.5" more is not worth $2000.

remember, as seth put it, we are unfortunately, the minority in the liberty world and superlift has to look at how to keep their business profitable.

I am not trying to convince anyone not to build it, but I do say again, just like I did for the bumpers, if you will buy it, tell the manufacturer. Ifyou want, but can't be forth coming and at least tell them you want it but can't afford it now (could always win the lottery :wink:

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If you want but do not ever plan to buy it, then just leave them alone.

Hate to sound so negative on this, but c'mon guys we had a deal for a great front bumper and when it was money time was here, no one would pony up. So AllJ did the right thing (though I hate it myself) and told us no.

lilmatty · **Posted:** Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:11 pm

Let's all cool off bit and let Mike do his bit from his end. We've ended up representing what they are thinking when, in fact, we don't know. Let's let him get back to us.

I think AllJ had other prioriities, BTW, and decided to not go with the bumper at this time. Perhaps if they weren't so backlogged with orders for current product they would again make a run at those bumpers. Good news is that Quinn and Steve are busy as heck, bad news is that they don't have the time to do a run of KJ bumpers.

warblade666 · **Posted:** Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:00 am

I understand that nobody wants to make something that won't sell. But how do they know that the GC & Commander lifts will sell? If I just spent $30,000 - $40,000 for a new Grand or Commander, the last thing I would want to do is lift it - wheel it - trash it. That's why I think poeple that buy a new Rubicon for $30,000+ just to go out and trash it are nuts.

Go buy something thats cheaper (liberty) 2-3 years old, used, for 1/3 the price them throw in a lift & tires. If you break it you still are only out 1/3 the price.

As far as the AllJ bumper... they were asked to build a bumper that was lighter AND CHEAPER than the ARB. When they said it would cost $700 -$800, they failed. Yes it was lighter, but not cheaper!

That's just what I think!

auggy · **Posted:** Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:32 pm

Of course the people who go offroading are the minority. Heck, even those people with wranglers who take them offroad are part of a minority. Everyone can kid themselves thinking that the majority of people who own wranglers wheel them, but that's all you'd be doing, kidding yourself.

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:52 pm

Come to Colorado and you will sing a different tune about Wranglers and whether they are mostly off-roaded or mall roaded.

Skyjump136 · **Joined:** Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:50 pm **Posts:** 1633

Couple things I wanted to bring up...

First, Superlift makes lifts for Fords, Chevys, Dodges...not exactly the "high disposable income" crowd. So I don't see that as much of an argument against a KJ lift.

Second, the KJ unibody is very rigid. MUCH more so than an XJ for instance. All the folks that own both tell me so anyway. Again, not a good argument against lifting a KJ.

Finally, all makes and models have their weak points. Diffs on TJs "explode" and "grenade" all the time. That's why they're always getting replaced with 44s.

Unfortunately, IFS is the future of Jeep. Superlift has the knowledge and experience lifting IFS vehicles. This seems like a win, win for everybody. Especially since a lot of the KJs out there are starting to come out of warranty and Jeepers are known for spending big $$$ on modifications. XJs will be hitting the scrap heap in increasing numbers and somebody needs to jump on this market. If not Superlift, then somebody else will...and they'll be bringing in all that big $$$ that nobody else wanted.

NU ARTY BOY · **Posted:** Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:57 pm

auggy · **Posted:** Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:31 pm

Tokyojoe wrote:

Come to Colorado and you will sing a different tune about Wranglers and whether they are mostly off-roaded or mall roaded.

Maybe the case in one small area but the majority of wranglers in the country are not taken offroad.

krazz1e · **Posted:** Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:59 pm

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Maybe the case in one small area but the majority of wranglers in the country are not taken offroad.

True but there are still posers, more market there for wranglers and easier to put upgrades on.

Seth puts out a good point about our steering able to handle larger tires. 33's I would think it would be ok, or at least a true 32. but who knows.

Guest · **Posted:** Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:02 am

krazz1e wrote:

Seth puts out a good point about our steering able to handle larger tires. 33's I would think it would be ok, or at least a true 32. but who knows.

Seriously, what's stopping anybody from swapping in an old-school fullsize pickup style steering box?

RespectMyLibertay · **Posted:** Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:51 am

ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:

krazz1e wrote:

Seth puts out a good point about our steering able to handle larger tires. 33's I would think it would be ok, or at least a true 32. but who knows.

Seriously, what's stopping anybody from swapping in an old-school fullsize pickup style steering box?

Yeh, what is stopping you...?

Guest · **Posted:** Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:14 am

the fact that I haven't had any concerns about the steering rack:)

maybe when I lift, I'll do it, but why bother until then?

kj in a tight spot · **Posted:** Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:55 am

Good call. Especially needed if we want to run 37s like JediJeeper or Fireblad1. That's my goal someday, as long as the pocketbook cooperates and I have a chat with my girlfriend about my KJ fitted for some rok krawlin!

rosekj · **Joined:** Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:41 pm **Posts:** 3

I READ IN SOME MAG THAT THE WJ AND THE KJ SHARE THE SAME SUSPENSION.

benmar2000 · **Posted:** Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:17 pm

I was wondering why couldn't someone just take the front IFS out of a wrecked WJ and see if it would fit.. Oh no.. "Honey!! I am off to the junk yard again.." LOL

But seriously.. I think the WJ has an IFS Dana 30... Wouldn't that fit on a KJ to get more lift? Just an idea...

Ben

NU ARTY BOY · **Posted:** Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:04 pm

WJ Grand Cherokee, made from 99 to 2004, is SFA. The new model you are thinking of is the WK (2005+).

RespectMyLibertay · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:01 am

The WJ is an SFA, but then why is only possible to lift it 2.5" like the Liberty? I know you can get huge lifts on a ZJ...

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