Poll-Would you have bought a Lib. if no CRD was Avail.

honey_don't · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:15 pm

Our criteria were: Diesel, Auto tranny for wife, not a fullsize pickup, small whaler towing ability.

Only other option was another VW TDI, went with Jeep because of non-marginal towing (the stopping part), better tranny than pre-04 TDI auto (!!!!), avoiding wrong oil and oil pump issues with 04+ tdi, and wife's love of riding high.

crd liberty · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:33 pm

I have to get my word in here as everyone has.
I had to have a vehicle that could be flat towed behind me(toad)
I also still work part time and haul my own tools( scooter don't make it)
My choices were Liberty, Honda CRV, and Saturn.
Saturn is a station wagon, hated it.
Honda CRV, nice vehicle but had some drawbacks to it.(Can't reach
my beer cooler with the seats in closed position.)
Liberty, see tons of them on the byways behind motor homes.
They had a Liberty with a diesel in it. I was impressed seeing as how
I like diesel to begin with. Nobody told me of the problems that you are going
to incure if you buy that thing.
All is fine, Libby is doing great, thanks to all of you.
Back on topic.
I probably would have bought the Libby gasser(pattoie) and I would probably be crying
now over 15MPG or so.

yes or no, see above.

Steve

DZL_LOU · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:38 pm

Nope.
I was looking for a Diesel, and was in the market for a used Mercedes 320D, 300D or 190D.

I was driving a Chevy K1500 and liked the 4WD so Jeep won.

If I had to do it now, the new Mercedes CDI would win over the GC CRD

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:40 pm

DZL_LOU wrote:

Nope.
I was looking for a Diesel, and was in the market for a used Mercedes 320D, 300D or 190D.

I was driving a Chevy K1500 and liked the 4WD so Jeep won.

If I had to do it now, the new Mercedes CDI would win over the GC CRD

Here is a hypothetical question for you, but what if the WK cost 20k less than the MB?

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

If a small diesel was an option in a Tacoma, Frontier, or similar pick up, I would have never even considered the CRD.

We had a 2004 4Runner that was a fantastic vehicle and did everything we asked it very well... except for absurdly low MPG (it never broke 20 mpg on the highway).

I need a rig with high clearance, a low range tranny, and some towing capacity. When we started shopping for the most fuel efficient vehicle that met all 3 of those needs while still getting decent MPG, the Liberty CRD was the only option. Ability to run biodiesel sealed the deal.

blake1827 · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:24 pm

Before I bought my KJ I owned a '98 Wrangler 4.0L for 5 yrs. and loved it, but the manual tranny was a chore in the city. My first car was a '95 VW Jetta ironically but is was a gasser too. I had heard a rumor about a Diesel TJ and was holding out for one but it never came arround (until reciently for the gov.)

I was very interested in Diesel tech ever since the Audi TDI won 24 hrs. of LeMans in '06. Looked around for a CRD once I learned about it and was probably one of the last people to buy one new (October '06.) I will ALWAYS own a Jeep and will stick with diesel over gas unless it becomes un-practical or cost prohibitive in the future. Hope to start making small batches of bio soon.

Reflex · **Joined:** Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:48 pm **Posts:** 567

cerich wrote:

litton wrote:

Interesting results so far. This is a question the Jeep never asked when I got the customer satifaction questionaire and they really need to. Granted our sampling size is minimal but just for giggles let's say this represents the 11,000 CRD owners....it suggests that Jeep pulled over 10.000 NEW customers they would not have had without the CRD.

It helps make the case for a wider range of diesel vehicles.

yeah, they pulled us...but they also mostly lost us for any future purchase from jeep, Dodge or Chrysler.

'Mostly' would seem to be inaccurate judging by the overwhelmingly positive results of every forum poll asking owners if they are satisfied. Yes some members have had problems, and others have had a pro-active attitude towards percieved problems. But overwhelmingly most owners either had no problems or did not get soured on the CRD based on the problems they had.

Reflex · **Joined:** Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:48 pm **Posts:** 567

Sir Sam wrote:

DZL_LOU wrote:

Nope.
I was looking for a Diesel, and was in the market for a used Mercedes 320D, 300D or 190D.

I was driving a Chevy K1500 and liked the 4WD so Jeep won.

If I had to do it now, the new Mercedes CDI would win over the GC CRD

Here is a hypothetical question for you, but what if the WK cost 20k less than the MB?

Thats not hypothetical, you can get the WK CRD for about $33k now. The MB is around $55k last I checked. Its almost low enough to seriously tempt me, but I think I'll behave financially and wait for the eventual small Cummins version...

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:26 pm

Reflex wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

DZL_LOU wrote:

Nope.
I was looking for a Diesel, and was in the market for a used Mercedes 320D, 300D or 190D.

I was driving a Chevy K1500 and liked the 4WD so Jeep won.

If I had to do it now, the new Mercedes CDI would win over the GC CRD

Here is a hypothetical question for you, but what if the WK cost 20k less than the MB?

Thats not hypothetical, you can get the WK CRD for about $33k now. The MB is around $55k last I checked. Its almost low enough to seriously tempt me, but I think I'll behave financially and wait for the eventual small Cummins version...

I was talking about new suggested retail price, which the price difference is not quite 20k. A slightly used 4x4 WK? Ya that can definately be less.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:28 pm

Reflex wrote:

cerich wrote:

litton wrote:

Interesting results so far. This is a question the Jeep never asked when I got the customer satifaction questionaire and they really need to. Granted our sampling size is minimal but just for giggles let's say this represents the 11,000 CRD owners....it suggests that Jeep pulled over 10.000 NEW customers they would not have had without the CRD.

It helps make the case for a wider range of diesel vehicles.

yeah, they pulled us...but they also mostly lost us for any future purchase from jeep, Dodge or Chrysler.

'Mostly' would seem to be inaccurate judging by the overwhelmingly positive results of every forum poll asking owners if they are satisfied. Yes some members have had problems, and others have had a pro-active attitude towards percieved problems. But overwhelmingly most owners either had no problems or did not get soured on the CRD based on the problems they had.

Agreed, I think we have more satisfied owners than dissatisfied. And while we may all have some comment about something to improve we are working to improve and keep our vehicles.

From what I have seen most of us are either Jeep heads(myself) or diesel heads(my wanna be self), I think that goes hand in hand with working on our own vehicles, and improving our own vehicles.

UFO · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:50 pm

Threeweight wrote:

If a small diesel was an option in a Tacoma, Frontier, or similar pick up, I would have never even considered the CRD.

We had a 2004 4Runner that was a fantastic vehicle and did everything we asked it very well... except for absurdly low MPG (it never broke 20 mpg on the highway).

I need a rig with high clearance, a low range tranny, and some towing capacity. When we started shopping for the most fuel efficient vehicle that met all 3 of those needs while still getting decent MPG, the Liberty CRD was the only option. Ability to run biodiesel sealed the deal.

My '89 Toyota 4x4 pickup is on it's second engine. Provided I still have it when it needs a third, I am going to put a 2LT-II JDM engine it. Bolts right in to my tranny. Retitle it as a diesel.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:58 pm

UFO wrote:

Threeweight wrote:

If a small diesel was an option in a Tacoma, Frontier, or similar pick up, I would have never even considered the CRD.

We had a 2004 4Runner that was a fantastic vehicle and did everything we asked it very well... except for absurdly low MPG (it never broke 20 mpg on the highway).

I need a rig with high clearance, a low range tranny, and some towing capacity. When we started shopping for the most fuel efficient vehicle that met all 3 of those needs while still getting decent MPG, the Liberty CRD was the only option. Ability to run biodiesel sealed the deal.

My '89 Toyota 4x4 pickup is on it's second engine. Provided I still have it when it needs a third, I am going to put a 2LT-II JDM engine it. Bolts right in to my tranny. Retitle it as a diesel.

Thats a little bit of a pain, since we no longer have emissions testing on gasoline vehicles here in Larimer county I can swap a diesel engine into a gasser and never have to worry about diesel emissions. However if I went through the process to title it as a diesel I would need to renew my emissions every other year.

Lame.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:09 pm

.... haven't tested emissions on light duty Diesels. As long as the engine did not have spark plugs all I had to do was bring it in once and I got the exemption good for ever. On the other had if you had a truck with the IH engine like sir sam has near a mine, they would never believe you until you yanked the coil wire along with the spark plug wires and the engine kept running. Now they don't test any cars or light trucks.

nursecosmo · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:10 pm

I would never have even thought about buying a KJ if it had not had a diesel. The handling is mediocre on the road and it has sucky ground clearance on the trail. I had come down to trying to decide between a Wrangler and a Subaru WRX. The CRD fell in between and now I wouldn't trade it for anything sold in the US.

hokiecb · **Joined:** Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:23 pm **Posts:** 46

Purchasing a liberty would have absolutely never gotten even a hint of a thought without the diesel. It serves my purposes extremely well but i'd rather have it in a 4 door small truck... But turns out with the utility trailer its much more useful anyway.

Cowcatcher · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:36 pm

I live in the country and drive on many kinds of roads. I am getting tired of powering up the tractor at 10 above and plowing snow on the 1/4 mile driveway. I wanted a small SUV but I also wanted one that was economical. If I couldn't get that then I likely would have purchased a low fuel mileage sedan. I looked at the Escape Hybrid but the 500 lb towing capacity was a turn off and all of the other small SUV's got pretty poor mileage. I asked a MOPAR friend with two Liberty's what he thought about them ( I knew he loved them both but I am not a MOPAR guy and was taking that into consideration ). He told me I should check out the diesel and that was the first I had heard of it. Drove it, loved it, started looking until I found the one I wanted. Haven't been able to wipe the grin off my face since.

Now had their been many diesels to choose from in that catagory I may not have purchased the CRD.

Reflex · **Joined:** Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:48 pm **Posts:** 567

Sir Sam wrote:

I was talking about new suggested retail price, which the price difference is not quite 20k. A slightly used 4x4 WK? Ya that can definately be less.

I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing or not. Right now a Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4 can be had with the CRD option brand new for $33k on the Jeep site. It has the higher end trim package unfortunatly or it would be about $3k less which makes it extremely tempting for me(I have my own stereo, I don't want Boston Acoustics thank you very much). Granted, the extra $20k for a Mercedes includes a ton of features, but I really don't care about those.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:52 pm

Reflex wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

I was talking about new suggested retail price, which the price difference is not quite 20k. A slightly used 4x4 WK? Ya that can definately be less.

I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing or not. Right now a Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4 can be had with the CRD option brand new for $33k on the Jeep site. It has the higher end trim package unfortunatly or it would be about $3k less which makes it extremely tempting for me(I have my own stereo, I don't want Boston Acoustics thank you very much). Granted, the extra $20k for a Mercedes includes a ton of features, but I really don't care about those.

CDI MSRP: $45,825

WK MSRP: $35,105

Thats only a 10k price difference for MSRP. Actual sales prices will almost certainly differ.

UFO · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:55 pm

Sir Sam wrote:

UFO wrote:

Threeweight wrote:

If a small diesel was an option in a Tacoma, Frontier, or similar pick up, I would have never even considered the CRD.

We had a 2004 4Runner that was a fantastic vehicle and did everything we asked it very well... except for absurdly low MPG (it never broke 20 mpg on the highway).

I need a rig with high clearance, a low range tranny, and some towing capacity. When we started shopping for the most fuel efficient vehicle that met all 3 of those needs while still getting decent MPG, the Liberty CRD was the only option. Ability to run biodiesel sealed the deal.

My '89 Toyota 4x4 pickup is on it's second engine. Provided I still have it when it needs a third, I am going to put a 2LT-II JDM engine it. Bolts right in to my tranny. Retitle it as a diesel.

Thats a little bit of a pain, since we no longer have emissions testing on gasoline vehicles here in Larimer county I can swap a diesel engine into a gasser and never have to worry about diesel emissions. However if I went through the process to title it as a diesel I would need to renew my emissions every other year.

Lame.

On the other hand, I've not had to test my Mercedes every year since I registered it 4 years ago. I make a point of driving by the RapidScreen vans, and I get the test waived year after year. Presumably I could just do the swap and make sure I drive by those things every chance I get. No way is a diesel running B100 going to flunk a gasser screening.

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:06 pm

Honestly, once I finally replace the TC with the Suncoast TC and shift kit...I think the CRD will be a solid vehicle. All the little fixes that have come about in this forum have made the CRD a much better vehicle than DC originally built.

When I drive by a Jeep Dealership these days, I see nothing that interests me in the slightest. Even the JK does nothing for me. If I knew a Grand CRD was on the lot, I might test drive it tho.

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