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Speaking of Toyota pickups, yes, the late 80's models had bad rust issues, but my '89 4x4 (first of the new body style '89 to '95) has zero rust issues. I've not seen any of this style, so I'm inclined to think they got it right. I know nothing of the Tacomas except they are bigger. To keep this on topic, my little 4 cylinder gasser gets 30mpg as long as I keep it under 60, and there is a bolt-in 2LT-II diesel engine from Japan that bolts in. Guess what I"ma do when this engine wears out? Yeah, 35+ mpg and runs on B100, that's what I'm talking about.

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I've yet to see a full size Toyota on a farm around here. Not saying they are bad trucks, just most of them are in the city hauling kids. When you offer 0% for 60 months and cash back on a vehicle it pretty much means your giving them away. I do not see the same with Toyota's cars. Gas mileage sucks with any full size truck. Having to run premium gas with truck mpg sucks even worse.

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Earlier it was mentioned that the diesel Hilux (over seas toyota small pickup) was pretty reliable. I would have to say I know from first hand experience that these things are tough as nails. I remember running a joint op in Afghanistan; the indigenous forces were using the Hilux as a patrol vehicle.... the were caught in an ambush... short story is the the thing took a few rounds in the engine compartment from a Dishka (spelling?) and still got everyone home. I won't say it was running well after that but it was easily fixed the next day (minus bullet holes).

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Earlier it was mentioned that the diesel Hilux (over seas toyota small pickup) was pretty reliable. I would have to say I know from first hand experience that these things are tough as nails. I remember running a joint op in Afghanistan; the indigenous forces were using the Hilux as a patrol vehicle.... the were caught in an ambush... short story is the the thing took a few rounds in the engine compartment from a Dishka (spelling?) and still got everyone home. I won't say it was running well after that but it was easily fixed the next day (minus bullet holes).

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Sorry for the war story but if could get a Hilux here I would in a heartbeat.
Yep. Canada gets them. Virtually identical to my truck sans the diesel engine.

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Yep. Canada gets them. Virtually identical to my truck sans the diesel engine.


So how legal is it to go to Canada, buy a diesel truck that is only sold in Canada, and bring it back to the U.S. to tag and title the beast?

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Yep. Canada gets them. Virtually identical to my truck sans the diesel engine.


So how legal is it to go to Canada, buy a diesel truck that is only sold in Canada, and bring it back to the U.S. to tag and title the beast?
Honestly I've not looked into it. But if you are serious, check out this toyota forum...

http://toyotadiesel.com/forums/

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To stay afloat, I imagine Ford, GM, and Chrysler will need to merge with foreign auto manufactures just to keep up. That’s my 2 cents.


Tried that (DCX). Didn't work...

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Yep. Canada gets them. Virtually identical to my truck sans the diesel engine.


So how legal is it to go to Canada, buy a diesel truck that is only sold in Canada, and bring it back to the U.S. to tag and title the beast?
Honestly I've not looked into it. But if you are serious, check out this toyota forum...

http://toyotadiesel.com/forums/


Titling a conversion is typically easier than an import from what I've read. That said, a friend of mine has an 80s era 2-door diesel landcruiser he brought from Canada and has registered and insured in the intermountain west. Have you checked out the site of member dieseltoyz lately? In addition to the half-cut toyota diesels into pickups he is now offering VM 2.8L bolt-ins! www.dieseltoyz.com

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Yes, re-titling is much more straight-forward. With importing, you can run into all sorts of Federal issues like DOT and EPA regulations. That's the main reason half-cuts from Japan are so popular for conversions here in the US.

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I don't see it available in Canada, with or without diesel..
see http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects ... dex%2ehtml

As for importing to the US. Big item is cost of buying. Speedo is not a problem as MPH is on the dial, just smaller. Some are not allowed as polution systems are different. Pick any vehicle and price it eg www.jeep.com then on www.jeep.ca Try a vette or Porsche . Crazy. Try the Dodge Magnum or the Lexus 350 suv Significantly more in Canada and they're made there.

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I don't see it available in Canada, with or without diesel..
see http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects ... dex%2ehtml

As for importing to the US. Big item is cost of buying. Speedo is not a problem as MPH is on the dial, just smaller. Some are not allowed as polution systems are different. Pick any vehicle and price it eg www.jeep.com then on www.jeep.ca Try a vette or Porsche . Crazy. Try the Dodge Magnum or the Lexus 350 suv Significantly more in Canada and they're made there.
Canada only had them through '88.

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Like the Land Cruiser?? It came in diesel in Canada in those years. Picture and Info on importing them here http://inertialabs.com/Diesel-Import-CAN.htm

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Have you checked out the site of member dieseltoyz lately? In addition to the half-cut toyota diesels into pickups he is now offering VM 2.8L bolt-ins! www.dieseltoyz.com


Are they using non-EGR 2.8L crate VM Motori diesels? I’ve seen a few non-EGR VM’s being sold on the internet. Here’s another scenario, why not put a 2.8L non-EGR VM Motori in a gasser Liberty?

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It will be a niche vehicle. Toyota can't even sell pick-ups with Ford or GM but you think an Indian company will?? Renault comes to mind. Came here and won some big awards and were popular for a couple of years, then faded away.


Renault is alive and well. 7.9 percent of us market share, Think Nissan. As shown by the poll here on the forum most of us CRD owners would never have even considered the KJ minus the Italian option. Most people in the general public now know that modern diesels are reliable and clean (have you seen the latest VW commercial?) and would absolutely buy a cool looking status symbol. They lined up around the block for the hideous looking 1st generation Prius, and paid thru the nose for them too. With the right marketing they will wipe the floor with the other Asian imports. They are going to be the new Scion. It looks like they are putting a lot of thought, preparation and research into American marketing.
As for the comments about product support I have to laugh that these comments are coming from folks who bought CRDs :-)r

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It will be a niche vehicle. Toyota can't even sell pick-ups with Ford or GM but you think an Indian company will?? Renault comes to mind. Came here and won some big awards and were popular for a couple of years, then faded away.


I just realized that I had described the Liberty CRD. :oops:



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[quote... Where is it managed from? And where do the corporate profits go? These things mean far more to me than where the assembly location is.
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Also, while it is definatly newer diesel tech, its also facing tougher emissions hurdles than the CRD did, and the CRD engine is not exactly ancient itself. I could see an extra 5mpg being reasonable, but I don't think we'll see 35-40mpg. I could be wrong of course, but I think its reasonable to be highly skeptical of such claims.


"The Mahindra product line will rely on Bosch diesel engine technology that has never been used in the United States."

"The Mahindra line initially will consist of three imported trucks, all based on the compact Scorpio SUV. The vehicles that will arrive in the United States next year will include several redesigned features, including seats, cockpits and chassis. Global plans to launch the U.S. Mahindra franchise with an SUV, a two-door pickup and a four-door pickup. The trucks will have four-cylinder diesel engines and six-speed transmissions. Within five years of the launch, Global expects to offer a second pickup, a second SUV and a crossover."

"Still, M&M and Global realize all too well that they have but one chance to succeed in the demanding U.S. market. In addition, a spokesman for the U.S. importer tells Consumer Guide that the company wants to squelch the idea that the SUV can only compete in the American market with a low-price strategy. That means the 2010 Mahindra Scorpio must be a credible and appealing entry from day one. That’s why Mahindra is reportedly spending $80 million to prepare its SUV for American prime time--and required Global Vehicles to chip in $65 million of it. Of course, some of the funds will go toward setting up the dealer chain and satisfying U.S. safety and emissions rules."

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25 mpg at the most. 35-40 mpg is at vw levels. A car. 35-40mpg in a post-08 diesel pickup?? Yeah right.

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25 mpg at the most. 35-40 mpg is at vw levels. A car. 35-40mpg in a post-08 diesel pickup?? Yeah right.


So what if it only gets 25mpg? That is still better than anything being sold today with comparable capabilities. Oh wait, there is no other vehicle on the road with comparable weight ratings except for some full size pickups.

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25 mpg at the most. 35-40 mpg is at vw levels. A car. 35-40mpg in a post-08 diesel pickup?? Yeah right.


On my 99.5 Jetta TDI for 114k miles the lowest tank ever was 39mpg and the average was 49.6 MPG. And you must remember that it's injection pump is basically a electronically controled model of the one on the first 77 rabbits we saw here.

My point is with more modern engines, injection systems and controls highter mileage figures are quite possible. Only time will tell :lol: I wonder what just using pizzo injectors would do for our CRDs :?:

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