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0311_DoC · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:40 am

Reflex
This member has been Banned

If you look at anything Reflex has posted on its says this under his name.......

such as this thread http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... hp?t=31116

4th post down...

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:50 am

whoa, what was the straw that broke the camels back?

0311_DoC · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:11 am

i dunno, probably cuz he starts to much conflict...

onthehunt · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:21 am

Quote:

i dunno, probably cuz he starts to much conflict...

Yeah, the truth does that.

JIMMY JEEP · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:49 am

I read his posts and although it may have been a rant and a tad confrontational i dont think he deserved a ban.. everyone has an off day,or reads something that triggers a spark over something they feel passionate about.Just my opinion mind.

Uffe · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:17 am

I read most of the entire thread. To me it seems like he was getting a hard on over his own ways of handling the democracy when he didn't agree with the current situation. And also that he felt he needed to let others know they were being criminals for asking technical questions.

Asking if off-road diesel would work in a CRD should not have ignited him in that way, but still I can not understand why he got banned for letting out a little steam. Probably a private message from a moderator asking him to take his medicine would have been enough

(then again I hope he did get a warning but simply ignored it, and got banned)

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:25 am

onthehunt wrote:

Quote:

i dunno, probably cuz he starts to much conflict...

Yeah, the truth does that.

He was not interested in the "truth". He would ignore the experiences and experience of others and discount anyone who had an idea that did not mesh with his own. He never added anything positive to this forum. Anyone can spout off some thoeries and points of view, but if you are not here to listen to others and contribute...you(not you) can find your own sandbox to play in. He discounted opinions and experiences of others and then played the "victim" when he was called out.

Goglio704 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:58 am

There was no "truth" in his assumption that off road diesel would always be illegal to use in the CRD. Large farms, ranches, and mines often have vehicles which aren't licensed or used on public roads. You could legally burn untaxed diesel in those situations and probably some others.

I will say that, with the exception of that thread, I thought he had calmed down some.

gmctd · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:15 am

People who don't live in farming communities have little idea of how serious the revenooers really are about apprehending all violators using 'red' tax-free\low tax Diesel fuel on public roadways - hiway patrollem's run random stop\search on lite\medium-duty Diesel vehicles, and any trace of red, even from overdose of ATF or that purple oil, gets the offending culprit a court date, with up-front sample analysis fee levy - it's as serious as federal income tax evasion, for which people will rat one another out - I'm not afraid I agree with Reflex's stated position and intended course of action: hang'em high..............

CATCRD · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:23 am

It's no surprise really. He never had anything meaningful to contribute in a CRD specific sense. It was always political stuff and devil's advocate stuff. He can do that anywhere else.

fastRob · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:37 am

When the individual in question made his forum limiting statement it did give me a tingle.
The thought that someone could or would or should turn you in to the cops reaffirmed that we must always be careful in what we write, say or do.
I thank the former member for that dope slap of reality, it made me review all my previous posts for content.
There are a lot of people out there that do not know how darn hard it can be to make a living, to meet a payroll or even to survive.

Still, it is not smart to give a rat a second chance, even if I did appreciate the former member's point of view.

nursecosmo · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:46 am

while Reflex did like trolling, I don't think that he was banned for his public posts. Occasionally he did have interesting things to contribute. I would bet that his response to the moderator's PMs was less than respectful and that gained him his censure.

By the way on the matter of Offroad diesel in the CRD if one is concerned about the legality using it of just add a dose of veg oil to the tank and violla; a legal experimental non taxable highway fuel. You will still have to try and explain the red dye to the Hwy patrol but it is impossible to sample the fuel from our tanks anyway without dismantling the fuel lines, Which they are not entitled to do on the side of the road.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:00 am

It most likely wasn't the message, but the messenger and the way he delivered it.

It's somewhere between 2 1/2 to 3 years since I first joined LOST, and in that time the mods have been more than lenient as to the discussions and posts they've allowed to take place. On some forums, you can get immediately banned simply for naming a product from a company that isn't sponsoring that particular forum, much less discussing it.

I've no idea either what the final straw was, but in the end it was the mod's call - it's their dime that pays for this forum, their job and their right to make such calls. Even a grade-school game of dodgeball needs ground rules and a referee.

No one is forcing any of us to be a member of this forum. If one day we find the rules and decisions of the forum owners to be too onerous, we're certainly free to leave. And the forum owners and mods are certainly free to ask us to leave if we refuse to abide by those rules and decisions.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:12 am

He's been a instigator since he first appeared here. I once posted about VW's stand on BIO and he blasted me. Them I provided a link I got it from and put him down. I also believe a company should stand behind their product a little better then Chrysler does/did with the CRD's and he took issue with that too. Both of these made me a bad person and in one post he even made mention of me and a couple of others personally by name. From then on anything I replied to or posted he had a negative reply. Only two or three times did I agree with anything he said :oops:

I for one am glad he's gone

Joe

Edited for spelling. I'm the worst :roll:

truckbouy2 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:36 am

As far as this carpenter is concerned, Mr. Reflex will NOT be missed. To me, he seemed like a frustrated mild shock-jock trying to rile car guys & girls.
Each discussion he was involved in eventually became most emotional, therefore taking away the thoughtful give and take
of ideas, of which this site is an excellent resource for problem solving and re-engineering.....

crd liberty · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:46 pm

If you look at anything Reflex has posted on its says this under his name.......

such as this thread http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... hp?t=31116

4th post down...
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By looking at this, I take it that it is not because of this particular thread.
That thread was just used to show how the banned shows up under the
members name. Thats the way I read it.
Steve

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:00 pm

Just to put this partially to rest...It was his posts in thier total and his responses to PMs/Emails that made the decision come about. Trust me, this has been going on for a long long long time and the Admins/Mods/Members were more than accomodating. In the end, he ignored our suggestions and keep posting with the same condescending tones. It is not a big deal in the big picture...I really had nothing against him but for the health of the L.O.S.T. Forum, we felt it was better his distruptive influence was banished from this forum.

He will probably return under a pseudo "moniker" and get a few more "words of wisdom" posted but we will be watching for that...

vtdog · **Joined:** Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:27 am **Posts:** 640

Sometimes I agreed with him and sometimes not. Personally, I do not think that anyone should be banned for expressing opinion(s) that are either contrary to the majority, or simply of a different bent. The only reason someone should be removed is because of persistant personal attacks, or racist/sexist comments, etc. Maybe a temp suspension would have been in order first, before banning. Removing someone just because you don't like what/how they say something is simply WRONG.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." EDMUND BURKE

chrispitude · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:47 pm

Hi all,

I have been thinking about this and I agree with the decision. Yes, there is such a thing as freedom of speech, but there is also a responsibility to use it properly. If you walk into a bar and begin picking fights, the cops will eventually be called and remove you for failure to play nice with other adults. Did your freedom of speech extend to your right to pick those fights? To a certain degree, but once you carry yourself in a way which is detrimental to the overall good, you can reasonably expect to be removed from the situation.

I agree with others - it was the delivery and not the message which caused this to happen. I think the forum will be a better place without the argumentativity (my word) he brought, and that outweighs anything he may have had to contribute.

- Chris

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:18 pm

vtdog wrote:

Sometimes I agreed with him and sometimes not. Personally, I do not think that anyone should be banned for expressing opinion(s) that are either contrary to the majority, or simply of a different bent. The only reason someone should be removed is because of persistant personal attacks, or racist/sexist comments, etc. Maybe a temp suspension would have been in order first, before banning. Removing someone just because you don't like what/how they say something is simply WRONG.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." EDMUND BURKE

He was not banned for his opinions or beliefs. He was let go because he purposely stirred the pot for no good reason, ignored warning about his demeanor (no we are not demanding everyone be polite at all times) and delivery and the fact that thru all of this he never added anything to this forum that was helpful. Yes politically he added a different viewpoint on subjects...but this is NOT A POLITICAL FORUM. And there lies the problem...he was more interested in pushing certain political positions and mantra and not really concerned about the main reason we are all here...JEEPS. There is more involved here than simple posts that the majority see...but...just from his body or "work" there was enough reason in our collective opinions. I think since L.O.S.T. formed in July of 2002 until this, there have been less that 10-15 people banned from this forum. Well this is really all I have to say about this subject...someone was banned...right or wrong in anyone's eyes it is just the way it is.

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