Can a CRD run on heating oil?

Dutchy · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:42 am

Highly illegal I know but we are facing fuel strikes and the only oil plant in this country is shutting down due to this.
I don't want to be stranded in my remote property with a empty fuel tank while only 10 yards from my jeep my full heating oil tank is sitting.

So is is possible in emergencies to run the CRD on heating oil (kerosine) and are there any drawbacks besides a possible fine.

tonycrd · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:49 am

You better not....It will run on that fuel for a while, just long enough to kill your high pressure fuel pump.

That is a big $$$$$ repair, if the pump goes you get little bits of chrome in your system so you also have to change injectors...common rail....fuel lines...fuel tank.

ihatemybike · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:08 am

Have you looked into brewing your own BioD?

Dutchy · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:34 pm

ihatemybike wrote:

Have you looked into brewing your own BioD?

Not good for the 2.5 CRD, can't handle the accid, fuel lines and seals will corrode, no problem for the 2.8 CRD though.

I will fill some jerry cans to get through and in worst case senario I can always get some red diesel from a local farmer.

A pitty that I can't use heating fuel.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:39 pm

Dutchy wrote:

Highly illegal I know but we are facing fuel strikes and the only oil plant in this country is shutting down due to this.
I don't want to be stranded in my remote property with a empty fuel tank while only 10 yards from my jeep my full heating oil tank is sitting.

So is is possible in emergencies to run the CRD on heating oil (kerosine) and are there any drawbacks besides a possible fine.

the only real difference might be the cetain rating. no2 fuel oil and no2 diesel only should only be different in that regard, same with no1 fuel oil and no1 diesel oil.

hopefully someone better educated can chime in......any petroleum/chemical engineers out there?

chrispitude · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:01 pm

Here in the northeast US, heating oil and #2 diesel are the exact same thing and literally come out of the same supply trucks in the distribution system. We do not use kerosene for our home heating furnaces.

- Chris

fastRob · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:57 pm

I rent large machines to do excavations and use off road diesel or #2 fuel with red dye.
I use kerosene in my furnace because my fuel tank is outside and it gets COLD here.
After the excavations are done I pump the extra fuel into my outside fuel tank.
In the winter the fuel people mix K-1 in with the on road #2 to prevent gelling, some use additives too.
The real concern is no water and no junk or just clean fuel.
Cetane is the measure of energy in the fuel, because there are variations in fuels, who knows!
I had 5 filters in my old Case 680C backhoe, it did not like water or crap, handled just about everything else.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:23 pm

Dutchy wrote:

ihatemybike wrote:

Have you looked into brewing your own BioD?

Not good for the 2.5 CRD, can't handle the accid, fuel lines and seals will corrode, no problem for the 2.8 CRD though.

I will fill some jerry cans to get through and in worst case senario I can always get some red diesel from a local farmer.

A pitty that I can't use heating fuel.

Um, why would there be any difference between the 2.5 and the 2.8 for running bio?

naturist · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:33 pm

Sir Sam wrote:

Dutchy wrote:

ihatemybike wrote:

Have you looked into brewing your own BioD?

Not good for the 2.5 CRD, can't handle the accid, fuel lines and seals will corrode, no problem for the 2.8 CRD though.

I will fill some jerry cans to get through and in worst case senario I can always get some red diesel from a local farmer.

A pitty that I can't use heating fuel.

Um, why would there be any difference between the 2.5 and the 2.8 for running bio?

Perhaps because it is an older engine design?

MrMopar64 · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:37 pm

The older 2.5 and the 2.8 as used in the KJs have no problems running biodiesel.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:39 pm

naturist wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

Dutchy wrote:

ihatemybike wrote:

Have you looked into brewing your own BioD?

Not good for the 2.5 CRD, can't handle the accid, fuel lines and seals will corrode, no problem for the 2.8 CRD though.

I will fill some jerry cans to get through and in worst case senario I can always get some red diesel from a local farmer.

A pitty that I can't use heating fuel.

Um, why would there be any difference between the 2.5 and the 2.8 for running bio?

Perhaps because it is an older engine design?

Well there is an older 2.5 and an older 2.8, why would those be any different?

MrMopar64 wrote:

The older 2.5 and the 2.8 as used in the KJs have no problems running biodiesel.

Bingo, final word. Case closed.

litton · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:40 pm

Going back to the original post regarding heating oil. I wonder in his location if there really is that much differance. Remember he said in an emergancy witch would imply just enough to get him someplace else.

Perhaps a call to the distributer would be helpful. Ask point blank what is the differance between his product and diesel. Perhaps is doable or perhaps blending in 1 or 2 gallons to ensure travel between point A and B.

geordi · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:16 pm

Easier way to compare the two (and less questions from the providers which could lead to questions from authority figures) is to pour a bit of each into matching clear containers.

Compare the apparent viscosity. Is one thicker-looking? Does one coat the sides of the container when moved around... Like a good scotch should coat a glass?
Dip a paper towel into each, and light the wet section. Does one burn differently / longer than the other. Are the smells substantially different?

Granted you won't be able to tell the sulfur content precisely with this crude method, but you can easily determine if your heating oil is anything other than #2 diesel b/c the smell will be different, it will flow differently (Kero should be lighter viscosity / slosh easier) or potentially much heavier (bunker fuel will coat the bottle's sides like oil)

You should be able to make a reasonable distinction. If the heating oil stinks while burning, but smells very similar to the known #2 while NOT burning... Chances are it is a high-sulfur version. The burning sulfur doesn't smell nice.

I realize this isn't a scientific way to figure this out, but if you start asking too many questions of your fuel company... They may have cause to suspect you of things we all know you wouldn't do.

Other than that, count me in the crowd that has run a KJ 2.8 engine on B100 and knows the engine loves it. ULSD is probably what you have in your heating oil, it's cheaper for the refinery to make just one grade of #2, and simply color it for the non-highway engines and furnaces. Your engine can't tell if it is colored, only the bobbies can.

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

Every diesel vehicle sold in the US since the mid 1990's has had fuel lines and system components that can handle biodiesel. The same issues you'd have with bio exist with ultra low sulfur diesel.

Don't confuse biodiesel with straight waste vegetable oil.

KJFROG · **Posted:** Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:22 am

My neighbours has two Diesel tow trucks and fills them with his home heating fuel (he has a pump attached to the tank) and when he gets the home takn filled they top off his trucks, with the low sulfur Diesel he adds Howes conditioner just to be safe.

kelticknight · **Posted:** Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:57 pm

biodiesiel isnt that easy to get here,some place that do sell it,rip you off with there prices
at moment here diesiel is 1.28 per litre,last week was 1.21,changes every week
diesiel seem to be getting hit hard in high prices,10 cents more tahn petrol which is a change

canlib · **Posted:** Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:45 am

I ran my diesel rabbit for years on heating oil after my buddy the Esso dealer told me he sold both #2 diesel and Heating oil from the same tank! I bought drums of heating oil and pumped them into the bunny. No dye in the oil.

kelticknight · **Posted:** Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:58 am

dont know if i try that new with engines of today

chadhargis · **Posted:** Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:25 am

I would think it would be fine to run heating oil if it's the same as #2. Yes, I know it's illegal. I'm not talking about the legal ability to do it, just the technical ability.

Sadly, I live in the south, and we don't have heating oil here. If we did, I might order me up a few drums.

kelticknight · **Posted:** Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:03 pm

here customs are always dipping anything diesel except cars,if your done by them,they throw the book at you
have as much power as revene

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