Non-EGR VM Motori install?

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:21 pm

So what are your thoughts about installing a crate non-EGR, 2.8 VM Motori into the Liberty? Do we know how available they are? Do we know what the cost is? What kind of mpg are the CRD’s averaging in Europe?

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:26 pm

dieselenthusiast wrote:

So what are your thoughts about installing a crate non-EGR, 2.8 VM Motori into the Liberty? Do we know how available they are? Do we know what the cost is? What kind of mpg are the CRD’s averaging in Europe?

Uh.....you mean trying to convert a non diesel to a diesel?

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:28 pm

Sir Sam wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

So what are your thoughts about installing a crate non-EGR, 2.8 VM Motori into the Liberty? Do we know how available they are? Do we know what the cost is? What kind of mpg are the CRD’s averaging in Europe?

Uh.....you mean trying to convert a non diesel to a diesel?

I'm confused.

Isn’t the idea to get rid of the EGR (or by-pass the EGR) resulting in a more efficient engine? Isn’t all the CRD’s in Europe non-EGR?

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:29 pm

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

So what are your thoughts about installing a crate non-EGR, 2.8 VM Motori into the Liberty? Do we know how available they are? Do we know what the cost is? What kind of mpg are the CRD’s averaging in Europe?

Uh.....you mean trying to convert a non diesel to a diesel?

I'm confused.

Are you talking about trying to install a diesel engine into a diesel engined CRD.

Or are you talking about converting a non diesel KJ to a diesel?

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:44 pm

Sir Sam wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

So what are your thoughts about installing a crate non-EGR, 2.8 VM Motori into the Liberty? Do we know how available they are? Do we know what the cost is? What kind of mpg are the CRD’s averaging in Europe?

Uh.....you mean trying to convert a non diesel to a diesel?

I'm confused.

Are you talking about trying to install a diesel engine into a diesel engined CRD.

Or are you talking about converting a non diesel KJ to a diesel?

Well, how much more efficient is a non-EGR CRD vs. a CRD with the EGR? But yes, I was wondering about buying a gasser and swapping for a BRAND NEW CRATE CRD Engine.

Pablo · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1201

Alot more than a SEGR. Many other markets had an EGR too, it was just not rated for heavy duty cycle and not designed to work with LSD (well some would say they one they put on US spec was not designed for LSD).

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:58 pm

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

So what are your thoughts about installing a crate non-EGR, 2.8 VM Motori into the Liberty? Do we know how available they are? Do we know what the cost is? What kind of mpg are the CRD’s averaging in Europe?

Uh.....you mean trying to convert a non diesel to a diesel?

I'm confused.

Are you talking about trying to install a diesel engine into a diesel engined CRD.

Or are you talking about converting a non diesel KJ to a diesel?

Well, how much more efficient is a non-EGR CRD vs. a CRD with the EGR? But yes, I was wondering about buying a gasser and swapping for a BRAND NEW CRATE CRD Engine.

Well the "Jeep performance" crate engine isn't actually availble yet. Even then that won't be direct swap into a KJ, especially a 05+.

Also the "crate" engine will be the older generation of CRD engine like the one I have in my garage, non VGT turbo etc etc.

And for how much the crate engine is going to cost from Jeep you could buy a wrecked CRD KJ to either repair, or buy for parts to swap into your own.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:09 am

Sir Sam wrote:

Well the "Jeep performance" crate engine isn't actually availble yet. Even then that won't be direct swap into a KJ, especially a 05+.
Also the "crate" engine will be the older generation of CRD engine like the one I have in my garage, non VGT turbo etc etc.
And for how much the crate engine is going to cost from Jeep you could buy a wrecked CRD KJ to either repair, or buy for parts to swap into your own.

That makes sense. You guys keep talking about swapping out parts, making engine modifications, making transmission modifications, finding ways to reprogram, and the whole nine yards, so by the time it’s all over, you’ve pretty well stripped down the original tractor. So I was thinking, “why isn’t there more talk about buying a gasser, swapping a crate CRD into the KJ, and build the Jeep the way you want it.”

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:14 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

Well the "Jeep performance" crate engine isn't actually availble yet. Even then that won't be direct swap into a KJ, especially a 05+.
Also the "crate" engine will be the older generation of CRD engine like the one I have in my garage, non VGT turbo etc etc.
And for how much the crate engine is going to cost from Jeep you could buy a wrecked CRD KJ to either repair, or buy for parts to swap into your own.

That makes sense. You guys keep talking about swapping out parts, making engine modifications, making transmission modifications, finding ways to reprogram, and the whole nine yards, so by the time it’s all over, you’ve pretty well stripped down the original tractor. So I was thinking, “why isn’t there more talk about buying a gasser, swapping a crate CRD into the KJ, and build the Jeep the way you want it.”

The engine I have here would be a REAL easy swap into a 02-04 KJ 5speed.

A wrecked 05+ parts vehicle with engine would require some extensive work to transplant.

Buying a wrecked parts vehicle or a crate engine will cost about the same, but one will pay back some of that money, and the other would allow you to have a less powerful engine, but with a manual trans.

At the end of the day it makes the most sense just to buy a CRD. Unless your someone like myself who wants to take the CRD engine and put it into a different Jeep(such as a XJ, TJ, MJ, WJ, ZJ, YJ, CJ, etc)

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:19 am

Looks like this guy is getting pretty serious about offering a CRD swap. He has already ordered a few CRD crate engines.

http://www.dieseltoyz.com/CRD.html

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:28 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Looks like this guy is getting pretty serious about offering a CRD swap. He has already ordered a few CRD crate engines.

http://www.dieseltoyz.com/CRD.html

Yes. Unfortunately I only have two testicles to sell, and the going rate will be about 4 or 5.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:28 am

Sir Sam wrote:

At the end of the day it makes the most sense just to buy a CRD. Unless your someone like myself who wants to take the CRD engine and put it into a different Jeep(such as a XJ, TJ, MJ, WJ, ZJ, YJ, CJ, etc)

Could you match a CRD with an automatic trany for a XJ? The XJ is probably my all time favorite Jeep Cherokee.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:35 am

Sir Sam wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Looks like this guy is getting pretty serious about offering a CRD swap. He has already ordered a few CRD crate engines.

http://www.dieseltoyz.com/CRD.html

Yes. Unfortunately I only have two testicles to sell, and the going rate will be about 4 or 5.

$4,000 - $5,000 for a new CRD engine? That's not a bad price? I think he said about $10,000 - $13,000 for the final install depending on the trany setup. Really all I want is a good diesel mated to an automatic transmission in a JEEP. Period! That’s not being too picky is it? Correct me if I’m wrong…………But didn't the XJ have the 2.5 VM Motori in Europe only from 1997-2001? I’m assuming that the new 2.8 VM Motori will fit our American 1997-2001 XJ’s? TRUE?

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:58 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Looks like this guy is getting pretty serious about offering a CRD swap. He has already ordered a few CRD crate engines.

http://www.dieseltoyz.com/CRD.html

Yes. Unfortunately I only have two testicles to sell, and the going rate will be about 4 or 5.

$4,000 - $5,000 for a new CRD engine? That's not a bad price? I think he said about $10,000 - $13,000 for the final install depending on the trany setup. Really all I want is a good diesel mated to an automatic transmission in a JEEP. Period! That’s not being too picky is it? Correct me if I’m wrong…………But didn't the XJ have the 2.5 VM Motori in Europe only from 1997-2001? I’m assuming that the new 2.8 VM Motori will fit our American 1997-2001 XJ’s? TRUE?

$4-5k for a new CRD engine will net you a wrecked CRD.

Then you either fix and have $6-8K CRD. Or you swap and sell off parts and have a $1-2k swap package.

10-13k will get you a used CRD these days.

And yes, the new VM KJ engine will fit into an XJ. What do you think I am doing?

(You ever sign into yahoo?)

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:06 am

Sir Sam wrote:

And yes, the new VM KJ engine will fit into an XJ. What do you think I am doing?

(You ever sign into yahoo?)

Yep, I do sign into yahoo. So are you mating it with a manual or auto?

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:09 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

And yes, the new VM KJ engine will fit into an XJ. What do you think I am doing?

(You ever sign into yahoo?)

Yep, I do sign into yahoo. So are you mating it with a manual or auto?

Manual, though I would prefer auto.

Why dont you sign into yahoo and we can talk about this is some more detail.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:10 am

Sir Sam wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

And yes, the new VM KJ engine will fit into an XJ. What do you think I am doing?

(You ever sign into yahoo?)

Yep, I do sign into yahoo. So are you mating it with a manual or auto?

Manual, though I would prefer auto.

Why dont you sign into yahoo and we can talk about this is some more detail.

Sounds good!

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:18 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

And yes, the new VM KJ engine will fit into an XJ. What do you think I am doing?

(You ever sign into yahoo?)

Yep, I do sign into yahoo. So are you mating it with a manual or auto?

Manual, though I would prefer auto.

Why dont you sign into yahoo and we can talk about this is some more detail.

Sounds good!

Hmmm, I dont see you online........whats your screen name?

dieseltoyz · **Joined:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:28 pm **Posts:** 64

New engines are available but in small quantities they are expensive. Once we begin kit installations, I'll be putting our dealers in contact with our suppliers of new crate engines. From what we've been buying, used engines are $2500-3500 complete with accessories. All I can say is after driving my 07 4x4 double cab tacoma with the crd engine in it mated to a 6 speed manual trans, the drivability is light years better than the auto the crd's came with.

geordi · **Posted:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:43 am

I have a 97 Grand Cherokee (ZJ, IIRC) with a current V8, semi-new trans, and the 4x4 system. I fully plan on making that into an oil burner when the engine finally dies in the next year or two, but I'm thinking it will be a Cummins 4BT instead of the VM engine. Used, those are available with transmissions for 2k, and they are PURE mechanical and can generate north of 1000lbs of torque without breaking. It may not be fast, but it doesn't need to be. All it needs to do is move under its own power, and still have 4x4.

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