ECU Programmer for CRD?

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Fri May 23, 2008 1:43 pm

Furthermore, I am not welcome to come onto a forum, for a vehicle for which I own, and comment about treatment by a vendor?

Wow, somewhere in my post you were told "YOU ARE NOT WELCOME @ L.O.S.T. to comment about a vendor?" You just came in flaming without any explaination...that is all.

That makes no sense. Seems a lot of half-stories are being told by James at InMotion, because the primary reason I called was about upgrading my ECU, and asked the second question as an afterthought, after being told that the transmission in my Jeep was junk from the factory.

What makes no sense is for a vendor that sells a "tune" for a specific vehicle (ie. Jeep Liberty CRD) and relies on sales to feed his family, would tell you your CRD is "crap" and turn down/run off a sale for profit. We all know the tranny is flawed from the factory...that is pretty much a given.

I had planned to order a Stage 1 tuning, inquired about what more could be done, and that is when every negative thing about the CRD was brought up.

Sounds to me like "James" was telling you about the downsides of modding the stock CRD with the tranny being stock.

I am in business for myself, and I know that when a customer asks about buying something for their vehicle, you give them facts, say nothing bad about something they own, and leave it at that

I would rather deal with a vendor that gives the pluses AND minuses of any mod such as it might void your warranty, you will lose some MPG, the longevity of your tranny will be suspect, ect.

I was not, at any time, "PO'd" nor did I loose my temper. I was insulted and annoyed that I had been told, for the better part of 20 minutes, how many faults my vehicle had and how much better VW TDI's were.

Just complete nonsense...from the way you present yourself (so far) in this forum, I can not see you sitting quietly by and taking a 20 minute beating.

The issue is not that he recommended a different solution. The issue was that he made it seem like anyone considering a CRD was an idiot to not buy a VW platform, be it for an SUV *OR* the conversion I spoke to him about.

Again, he sells "tunes" for the CRD and has satisfied customers here at L.O.S.T. ... he has a chance for another sale and instead calls the customer an idiot instead...must be some kind of reverse selling technique I have never heard of.

It seems that the facts are being distorted a tad by James' selective recall. Such is the wont with most such incidents.

I have not seen a response to this thread by anyone at InMotionTuning. InMotion is a registered member, but I see nothing...no selective typing...no distorted responses...nothing!

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Fri May 23, 2008 1:45 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

CATCRD wrote:

If you want to do motor swaps out of totalled vehicles, you've got way better/easier/cheaper choices than taking the motor out of a CRD. With all the electronic and emissions controls on this engine, (plus weak TC and no lift pump) it's got enough problems in the stock chassis, with warranty support, nevermind throwing it into another chassis. .

I disagree.

The only emissions control we have is the EGR.

The only external electronic control we have is the turbo soleniod.

Granted there are about 30 pins that need to be connected to the engine harness for it to run standalone, but those are easy.

What better/easier/cheaper motor exists out there for a swap?

I think you have to take into consideration the sheer number (or lack of) engines available. There is not an endless supply of CRD engines in the US. I am not a VW or Mercedes expert by any means, but there are definitely other options other than the VM CRD and any smart business venture would take into account ALL those options. There are also many tuners out there already for the VW TDIs, much more so than the VM CRDs.

The problem is the other available engines are so poorly suited compared to what you would want the VM for that they are essentially worthless for swaps. A PowerStroke is way overkill for a wrangler, and a 1.9TDI is way underkill for a wrangler. There exists no engine in quantity, besides the VM, between the two.

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Fri May 23, 2008 1:58 pm

Sir Sam wrote:

The problem is the other available engines are so poorly suited compared to what you would want the VM for that they are essentially worthless for swaps. A PowerStroke is way overkill for a wrangler, and a 1.9TDI is way underkill for a wrangler. There exists no engine in quantity, besides the VM, between the two.

Hey, I love the VM 2.8L CRD engine. I was not privy to the conversation between TunerJunkyard and InMotion. I do not know what vehicle TJ (pun intended) was thinking of using for a CRD swap. I don't know what engines InMotion suggested might be an alterantive to the VM 2.8L CRD. They probably have had experiences with a variety of Diesels. Sometimes when a person asks a question and then don't get the "glowing response" they want, they get a bit defensive. I have no firsthand knowledge of what transpired between the two.

TunerJunkyard · **Posted:** Fri May 23, 2008 2:04 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

Hey, I love the VM 2.8L CRD engine. I was not privy to the conversation between TunerJunkyard and InMotion. I do not know what vehicle TJ (pun intended) was thinking of using for a CRD swap. I don't know what engines InMotion suggested might be an alterantive to the VM 2.8L CRD. They probably have had experiences with a variety of Diesels. Sometimes when a person asks a question and then don't get the "glowing response" they want, they get a bit defensive. I have no firsthand knowledge of what transpired between the two.

Hey now, I'm not cutesy little Wrangler!

The swap I wanted (still want) to do is a VM 2.8 and transmission into a 1990 Eagle Talon TSi shell. The idea was/is to keep true to the AMC/Eagle/Jeep heritage by using the KJ engine/trans.

I'm just going to call a spade a spade... James at InMotion, by his own admission to me today, speaks very bluntly, as do I. We butted heads on the idea, especially after the idea of putting a 5 cylinder TDI motor into the project. It wasn't the only problem, but it was one.

TunerJunkyard · **Posted:** Fri May 23, 2008 2:06 pm

[quote="DarbyWaltersI have not seen a response to this thread by anyone at InMotionTuning. InMotion is a registered member, but I see nothing...no selective typing...no distorted responses...nothing![/quote]

Which is probably what needs to happen so the "he said, he said" BS can stop.

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Fri May 23, 2008 2:24 pm

OK, so now we know what the swap consisted of and that does make a difference. I can see InMotions point now with a VW TDI...but...I can also see your point to keeping it within the same "family". I also respect the fact that you brought up the fact "James at InMotion, by his own admission to me today, speaks very bluntly, as do I.". Again, that should be handled between the two of you in a more "one on one" basis.

The thing is nobody is going to come into the L.O.S.T. forum and just start bashing anyone...bringing up an "experience" with a vendor/member/website/dealer is not a problem. On the other hand, you have to tell the whole story upfront and keep it as civil and factual as possible. I think you will find this forum to be very fair and unprejudiced. It might take more than 10 posts to see that...lol.

TunerJunkyard · **Posted:** Fri May 23, 2008 2:39 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

I think you will find this forum to be very fair and unprejudiced. It might take more than 10 posts to see that...lol.

Right on.

At least I didn't jump in trying to make money, I save that for Porsche forums.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Fri May 23, 2008 4:49 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

OK, so now we know what the swap consisted of and that does make a difference. I can see InMotions point now with a VW TDI...but...I can also see your point to keeping it within the same "family". I also respect the fact that you brought up the fact "James at InMotion, by his own admission to me today, speaks very bluntly, as do I.". Again, that should be handled between the two of you in a more "one on one" basis.

The thing is nobody is going to come into the L.O.S.T. forum and just start bashing anyone...bringing up an "experience" with a vendor/member/website/dealer is not a problem. On the other hand, you have to tell the whole story upfront and keep it as civil and factual as possible. I think you will find this forum to be very fair and unprejudiced. It might take more than 10 posts to see that...lol.

And I will put it bluntly, the VM28 is the wrong engine for a talon, it is WAY too tall and too heavy, a VW TDI really would be a good suited engine for that car.

After all, a VW in a Mitsubishi is different than VW in a Jeep.

fastRob · **Posted:** Fri May 23, 2008 5:38 pm

Back On Topic

Inmotion replied to my email with a request for my daytime phone number for a tech to contact me.

No problem here.

I am hoping the mighty gmctd will come up with some more of his magic.

Would be more than willing to contribute funds to his effort, for his efforts in the past to my present diesel weasel. Yay JD!

CHessMaster · **Posted:** Fri May 23, 2008 5:58 pm

Sir Sam wrote:

And I will put it bluntly, the VM28 is the wrong engine for a talon, it is WAY too tall and too heavy, a VW TDI really would be a good suited engine for that car.

After all, a VW in a Mitsubishi is different than VW in a Jeep.

100% my thoughts exactly.....

gmctd · **Posted:** Sun May 25, 2008 12:39 am

I don't need any funds, but thanks for the thought - I do need to buy a spare '05-'06 Bosch ECM to send to INMOTION for comparison with the EDGE Trail on my stock ECM vs stacked on the INMOTION uptune - or any other ECM uptune - reason I need to own one is some of the planned testing could damage it beyond recovery - and there is a finite limit to number of reflashes B4 it becomes un-flashable - sometimes a bad flash ends it all.

Also workin' onna scheme to monitor actual rail pressure in order to compare with what ECM sees B4\after hotbox offset - needs ta settle this max rail pressure thing in my mind, compared to what's claimed

Also gettin' ready to jack the mule up, drill\tap the oil pan for the Provent return-line - needs ta go by Jeep and look at a new\replaced pan to check the wall dimension for the thickest area above operating oil level to get reliable drainage - then adapt a K&N screen to the Provent cannister for a cleanable reusable element

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sun May 25, 2008 12:58 am

gmctd wrote:

I don't need any funds, but thanks for the thought - I do need to buy a spare '05-'06 Bosch ECM to send to INMOTION for comparison with the EDGE Trail on my stock ECM vs stacked on the INMOTION uptune - or any other ECM uptune - reason I need to own one is some of the planned testing could damage it beyond recovery - and there is a finite limit to number of reflashes B4 it becomes un-flashable - sometimes a bad flash ends it all.

Also workin' onna scheme to monitor actual rail pressure in order to compare with what ECM sees B4\after hotbox offset - needs ta settle this max rail pressure thing in my mind, compared to what's claimed

Also gettin' ready to jack the mule up, drill\tap the oil pan for the Provent return-line - needs ta go by Jeep and look at a new\replaced pan to check the wall dimension for the thickest area above operating oil level to get reliable drainage - then adapt a K&N screen to the Provent cannister for a cleanable reusable element

Lots of spare ECUs popping up for around $150.

gmctd · **Posted:** Sun May 25, 2008 1:58 am

I just got off eBay, and only stuff there was pre-'04 non-Diesel - point me inna direction - for that price I'll get two, one for INMOTION, one for KERMA, if he's interested.

Pablo · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1201

gmctd wrote:

I don't need any funds, but thanks for the thought - I do need to buy a spare '05-'06 Bosch ECM to send to INMOTION for comparison with the EDGE Trail on my stock ECM vs stacked on the INMOTION uptune - or any other ECM uptune - reason I need to own one is some of the planned testing could damage it beyond recovery - and there is a finite limit to number of reflashes B4 it becomes un-flashable - sometimes a bad flash ends it all.

Also workin' onna scheme to monitor actual rail pressure in order to compare with what ECM sees B4\after hotbox offset - needs ta settle this max rail pressure thing in my mind, compared to what's claimed

Also gettin' ready to jack the mule up, drill\tap the oil pan for the Provent return-line - needs ta go by Jeep and look at a new\replaced pan to check the wall dimension for the thickest area above operating oil level to get reliable drainage - then adapt a K&N screen to the Provent cannister for a cleanable reusable element

Wow. Always up to something good. I would love to see what all these boxes and tunes actually do with these parameters. The manufacturers are so tight lipped and reviews and magazines don't want to cut off their breathing supply so they won't touch this holy cow with a 10 foot pole.

MACKJ · **Posted:** Sun May 25, 2008 6:26 am

gmctd wrote:

then adapt a K&N screen to the Provent cannister for a cleanable reusable element

gmctd,
I have found that you can clean the provent filter media by soaking it in some turps (mineral turpentine or white spirits). Works a treat, just make sure you dry it well.

gmctd · **Posted:** Sun May 25, 2008 11:02 am

Thanks for the input, Mack - I did that within the first couple weeks we had the little mule, last SEPT - prollem being, that paper stuff ain't gonna last too many cleanings, so a formed section of K&N-similar should do the trick, don't you think?

BTW - all vehicles, from lawnmowers to 18-wheelers, were equipped with the oiled-mesh stuff (K&N is now famous for) when I first put hand to wrench, long ago tho not so far away, in another time and another century................

MACKJ · **Posted:** Sun May 25, 2008 6:29 pm

gmctd wrote:

Thanks for the input, Mack - I did that within the first couple weeks we had the little mule, last SEPT - prollem being, that paper stuff ain't gonna last too many cleanings, so a formed section of K&N-similar should do the trick, don't you think?

BTW - all vehicles, from lawnmowers to 18-wheelers, were equipped with the oiled-mesh stuff (K&N is now famous for) when I first put hand to wrench, long ago tho not so far away, in another time and another century................

Good point, although I thought the filter material was synthetic so that's why I gave the turps a shot. I happened to have some K&N filter detergent in the garage, tried it but the sludge wouldn't budge!
Anyway I would be interested in a K&N solution as I have used them in motorcycles and cars (not the CRD) for many years...also last century

Got Diesel · **Joined:** Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:13 am **Posts:** 108

I had a Custom Chip Tune for my CRD ..I have since sold it ..Went back to the VW World ...BUT Let me tell you ...Night and day Difference!!! NEVER had ANY ISSUES AT ALL!! sent my ECM in got it back the day after! .. I have also have had a few of my TDI'S chipped tuned as well No Issues but a Huge Grin on my face....All I can say is that Inmotionusa IMO has a great product and once you try it you will never look back......

Got Diesel · **Joined:** Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:13 am **Posts:** 108

I had a Custom Chip Tune for my CRD ..I have since sold it ..Went back to the VW World ...BUT Let me tell you ...Night and day Difference!!! NEVER had ANY ISSUES AT ALL!! sent my ECM in got it back the day after! .. I have also have had a few of my TDI'S chipped tuned as well No Issues but a Huge Grin on my face....All I can say is that Inmotionusa IMO has a great product and once you try it you will never look back......

blake1827 · **Posted:** Thu May 29, 2008 2:08 am

could someone clarify which side the ECM sits? drivers side next to battery on fender or behind the boost pressure buzzer on the passenger side?

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