Superlift Liberty Lift

Guest · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:03 am

because the ZJ and WJ are straight axle rigs, the Liberty's CV shafts prevent it from being lifted further before the axles see excessive wear.

jpzkj · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:19 am

ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:

because the ZJ and WJ are straight axle rigs, the Liberty's CV shafts prevent it from being lifted further before the axles see excessive wear.

ZJ and WJ = Solid Axle

WK is the new one with the IFS ( and the Hemi

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RespectMyLibertay · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:21 am

ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:

because the ZJ and WJ are straight axle rigs, the Liberty's CV shafts prevent it from being lifted further before the axles see excessive wear.

Yes, I understand this for the Liberty, but why do you only see 2.5" or less lifts for the WJ when it's a solid front axle. The ZJ is an SFA and I see them all the time with HUGE lifts, but never a WJ with a lift bigger than my lifted Lib. What restraints does the WJ have?

Guest · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:23 am

because the WJ is fairly new, and not many people are wanting to go bang up their daily grind rig off road.

NU ARTY BOY · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:02 am

There are 4+ inch lift kits out there for the WJ. You have to look hard to find them but they are out there.

http://www.rockkrawler.com/ (just don't look at the KJ kit- its BS!)

http://bds-suspension.com/suspensionsystems_10jeep.html

http://www.ok4wd.com/product.asp?id=150

http://www.teraflx.com/pages/jeepbuilder.php

I know that there are other kits out on the market that are larger than 2", you just have to look.

ARBSeth · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:50 pm

It's all in the front end...we have problems with that rig with our 1.5" kit. The caster angles get screwed up and the thing turns into a death wobble machine=> you can't lift it any higher or your wife would put it in a ditch after she hit a speed bump at 20 mph.

All you had to do was ask the man

The Overland was even worse.. fact is, it's not an appples to apples comparrison, so don't dwell on it.

ANYTHING is doable with the right amount of time, skill and cash. I'm throwing a high pinion D44 and a GM 14T under mine next month because I did the research on steering and the frame (stole some ideas from Jedi, too, but I don't think he'll mind...we thought of the C channel frame supports before I read his post here, anyway...that dude has some skillz!) and have the tools, materials and time. If you want an IFS 5-6" kit, you can make one that works, it's just going to cost you a BUNDLE of cash to strengthen everything so you don't break stuff. The plan on my SFA is to get it in all under $2000 in parts...labor, well, you're on your own there.

I wish I could tell you us MFR's where going to pop out a great 4-5" lift for them, but it probably won't happen. We're going to have to go by way of the Tacoma guys and do it ourselves ie SFA conversions or Al's hybrid good looking set up. Working on your car isn't rocket science.. so grab a tech manual, start reading and see what you can do!

Good luck!

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:54 pm

This is the best thread ive ever read. I dont believe the steering is a problem on the kj. I believe its strong enough. Look at the guys that did the 7up kit. They never had problems out of the steering with 35in tires. Does anyone know if the dana 30 on the wk is the same as ours? Ive never heard anyone say. That would fix everything right there. A good cradle drop and your good to go. And if the cv's wernt so short.

Se7enLC · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:03 pm

Jeepjeepster wrote:

Look at the guys that did the 7up kit. They never had problems out of the steering with 35in tires.

Do a search of this forum, you'll find that is quite the contrary. Unless you consider front wheels facing different directions to not be a problem :-P

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:25 pm

ohh, ill look. Did the tie rods break?

ManicMechanicJoe · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:56 pm

dropping the cradle lowers your ground clearance. why lift if you dont gain ground clearance?

Guest · **Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:45 am

you do gain clearance...approace, departure, and breakover angles are all improved. you also still gain clearance when you go to the bigger tires you couldn't run before.

uvalax236 · **Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:02 am

ManicMechanicJoe wrote:

dropping the cradle lowers your ground clearance. why lift if you dont gain ground clearance?

If you were to drop the IFS cradle 1", that would allow for 4.5-5" of lift. That should clear 33's maby even 34's with trimming. We have what 9" of clearance with 31's? So subtract that inch (Cradle drop) and add another few inches because of the tires (Tread is also a factor that dictates how high it will sit) and you can come out with 3" or 4" of added clearance by a simple cradle drop. Keep in mind these figures are all for refrence and results may vary depending on fabricator measurement skills, thickness in welds, tire psi, and tire size.

ManicMechanicJoe · **Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:45 am

What i meant was, you have more stuff hanging down. compare an IFS to a solid axle. IFS has more ground clearance then a solid axle. This is really handy off road. A drop cradle nets the same clearance as a solid axle. I think I would just rather bite the bullet and do a SAS if I will loose that center clearance.

Guest · **Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:31 am

Joe, I really don't understand what you're saying.
a dropped cradle would net you the SAME clearance as an unlifted, stock KJ if you're running the same tires...you're losing NOTHING. but it still helps your approach and breakover and departure angles...so where's the harm?

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:07 pm

It doesn't matter if you put a 12" lift on a KJ, your rear pumpkin is still going to be the same height off the ground. So the only thing that TRULY gives you noticeable clearance is larger tires. And you can only run as much tire as your wheel well clearance will allow. And that is where a cradle drop and more lift would really improve the KJ.

roadpup · **Posted:** Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:02 pm

What a IFS cradle drop taketh away... biggeth tires giveth back in heighteth... :lol:

lilmatty · **Posted:** Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:15 pm

LibertyCRD wrote:

It doesn't matter if you put a 12" lift on a KJ, your rear pumpkin is still going to be the same height off the ground. So the only thing that TRULY gives you noticeable clearance is larger tires. And you can only run as much tire as your wheel well clearance will allow. And that is where a cradle drop and more lift would really improve the KJ.

But if you avoid that rock so you won't hit your pumpkin then higher lift will keep your rockers away from it. That is, you approach that obstacle by driving a wheel over it rather than straddling it. You can get away with a lot with a tall lift and smaller tires.

ManicMechanicJoe · **Posted:** Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:34 pm

its hard to explain without being there in person to use hand motions and stupid drawings. Yes you do gain clearance by lowering the cradle. I am not arguing that point with anyone. However if you can gain the same amount of lift without lowering the cradle, you will have more ground clearance in the center of the rig. I know it is impractical due to the limitations of a CV axle, however it would keep everything nice and high and well protected. Yes I am well aware of the fact that the only time you gain clearance is by going to larger tires as my KJ with a 1/2 inch clevis and 255/70's has more clearance then my buddies XJ with a 3 inch lift and stock tires.

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