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There would have to be a LOT of condensation to not only saturate a large filter area, but to freeze completely as well. I have to say that seems unlikely in the extreme.

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whenever I drain my Provent it's about 1/2 to 2/3's water so there's condensate there - and I'd expect the folks up north to see some freezing (not a problem in Austin)

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whenever I drain my Provent it's about 1/2 to 2/3's water so there's condensate there - and I'd expect the folks up north to see some freezing (not a problem in Austin)
Interesting. When I drain mine, I have nothing but oil. But I live in a very low humidity area.

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I was looking for alternative CCV/catch can solutions and stumbled across this:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/e ... ecrank.php

What do you guys think? At $99, it's kind of expensive for what it is but is professionally built (aircraft grade), comes with a drain valve, mounting bracket, and an oil overflow hole which would double as an overpressure relief valve. It's designed for either 5/8" or 3/4" input hose, as stated here in the PDF:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/oilFILTER.pdf

I have a custom preturbo intake system (see http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=33497&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15). Can anybody think of any reason that this would not work with my setup? I like the idea of not having to drill/cut into the silicone turbo elbow to mount an intake for the CCV hose. Plus this would be cheaper than the Provent.

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Here are some pics of the filter package ccattie arranged through Saikou Michi Co.

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I have mixed feelings about it. It's a sealed unit so it can't be opened up for cleaning. I'm not sure whether this is really bad, since even if it opened I'd still probably remove it to dunk it in soapy water for cleaning. However this will be tougher to tell when it's clean or dirty.

I think I'll install it. Heck, I'm $90 in now, might as well install it and I can switch to something fancier if it doesn't work out. Did anyone else get one? If so, what are your opinions?

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Why not just drill a hole in the side of this thing and glue a small rubber flapper valve on it? Plug the outlet and blow into the inlet. If the valve pops open with you blowing on it, I would imagine it would pop open before blowing out your seals.
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Looks good from where I sit - guess I should get one for comparo R&D, incl invasive surgery

Suggestion: run clear reinforced vinyl tubing on the inlet and the outlet for a while - if unit is functional, the inlet will quickly blacken from sooty oil, and the outlet will slowly brown from heat, but should evidence no sooty oil - the drain speaks for itself, in any case

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I'm working on placement right now. I have some clear reinforced tubing similar to gmctd's pictures and am trying to decide between the passenger side or the driver's side for the installation. I'm still mulling over how to make my bracket. I like the visibility of the hoses that the passenger side offers but I have a better bracket idea for the driver's side. Does anybody have any good bracket pics I can get ideas from?

For the pressure release I'm considering a T on the inlet side with a PCV valve. I haven't figured out the details on that yet either.

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I god some more info from Mr. SAikou ^^V after I asked him about potential freezing problems as well as the concerns regrading it getting plugged up and not having a relief valve. Here is his reply:
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I have read through the posts and all I can tell is that somebody rigged their own catch tank and it gathered water and froze?
This worry was brought up before anybody tried out my OCC.
I have dealt with customers from all over the world, including Canada, Norway, and Iceland (cold places) and nobody has brought up these concerns or contacted me about any problems encountered.
This is new to me, but I do not want to minimize the concern. I just haven't encountered a situation where the system would accumulate so much moisture that it could freeze up solid.

If I can make a comment, the provent is a different system all together.
It is an air oil separator and whatever gunk is trapped is supposed to be returned to your oil pan. It has a very fine fabric filter which is more prone to clogging than stainless mesh..

My OCCs are a trap. The stainless mesh helps condense fumes and gunk and traps it in the occ so you can drain it. The mesh works like hundreds of tiny baffles but still allows good flow.

The 951 type occ happens to be the right size for the Jeep since the hose nipples are the 3/4"


I asked him if he thought a relief valve might be needed but the answer is no since it has never been an issue no matter the climate. I'm satisfied with that answer and might give this thing a try.
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Mine should be here in the next couple days.

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I got mine today, it looks like a quality piece for the money. I gave it a good blow through the top nipple and it's got plenty of flow. I'd be surprised if you could really clog this thing solid with ice. I did a quick test-fit and it fits quite nicely next to the radiator - just enough room to sit it in there with clearance, but not so much room that you wished the filter was bigger.

I may take the easy route and just try drilling a hole and mounting it on the body next to the radiator with a self-tapping bolt. If that strips out, I can enlarge the hole and try a nutsert.

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Would you be so kind as to post some pics of the installation?

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chrispitude wrote:
I got mine today, it looks like a quality piece for the money. I gave it a good blow through the top nipple and it's got plenty of flow. I'd be surprised if you could really clog this thing solid with ice. I did a quick test-fit and it fits quite nicely next to the radiator - just enough room to sit it in there with clearance, but not so much room that you wished the filter was bigger.

I may take the easy route and just try drilling a hole and mounting it on the body next to the radiator with a self-tapping bolt. If that strips out, I can enlarge the hole and try a nutsert.

- Chris


Chris, are you talking about under the fuses (driver's side)? It seemed like I'd need to remove the battery to remove the fuse holder which would make cleaning out the filter harder than I'd like.

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Remember, here: while testing these first units, the clear reinforced vinyl hose is important - once the units are proven, you can use black rubber hose for the in\out
- the hose from the CCV out should begin to blacken immediately, as that's raw oily vapors
- the hose to the inlet air duct should never show black - browning is due to engine bay heat and oilless vapors

Service the drain weekly at first to get a feel for operational requirements - this is dependent on accrued mileage at the event, as well as overall engine wear - can extend the drain interval if liquid volume permits

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I've had more coorespondence with Mr. SAikou ^^V this evening. Here is our conversation:

Chris wrote:
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Hi again,

Thanks for your quick, replies.

One thing people in the forum are thinking of doing is putting the
device on the car and then routing the outlet side into a clear jar or
clear hose and run it for a few hundred miles in order to determine
how much oil vapor is actually being cleansed vs no device. The folks
in the forum are nothing if not thorough in their investigations.
Have you done this kind of testing on your product? Any tests or data
(beyond anecdotal evidence) you can provide would be very helpful.

In my own experiment to determine how much oil goo was actually coming
out of the hose, I rigged an 8" long 5" diameter clear can filled with
steel wool and a hole at one end. After 2,000 miles there was lots of
black goo caught inside - scary that there is so much of this stuff
otherwise going into my turbo! However, I did note that even with a
long can filled with steel wool - which has a great deal of surface
structure for condensation sites - there was still a fair amount of
oily vapor coming out when I revved it up. Besides the obvious
longevity issue, how would your can be more effective at removing the
oil vapor if it only has a series of mesh plates vs the thousands of hairs in a tightly packed can of steel wool?
Thanks!
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That sounds like excellent testing! What we did when we were working on this idea was to build a catch can prototype made out of lexan so we could see what was going on.
It did collect the goo, so we were satisfied with the test. After that we received alot of positive feedback from customers.
Almost all of our business is by word of mouth.
When you use fin type baffles, you are limited to the number you can place inside and have less surface area.
A normal catch can does collect some oil just because the fumes collect on the walls, but alot of it passes through unchecked.
That is why I like the mesh system. You can create alot of surface area and still allow good flow.
Of course, some fumes will make it through especially when you rev. The solid oils are what is more harmful to performance.
It would take a really large occ, with several layers of filtering and some active cooling to really stop all the fumes from making it through.


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ChesterCRD wrote:
Chris, are you talking about under the fuses (driver's side)? It seemed like I'd need to remove the battery to remove the fuse holder which would make cleaning out the filter harder than I'd like.


Hi Chester,

I'm thinking of the other side, between the radiator and the airbox. There's a nice cubby and a place to mount it, and the location is good for both the house routing from the engine and to the intake. Also, placement near the radiator may help with cold weather warmup (once the thermostat opens at least).

I'll be sure to take pictures when I get around to the install. :)

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Thanks for the update Chris. I'll take another look at that area.

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After dealing with this issue : http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... hp?t=35211 (which sucks btw) I proceeded to install my Saikou Michi Co. filter. I located it between the airbox and the radiator, which worked pretty well. I used about 6 feet of 3/4 inch reinforced clear tubing and one male-male adapter and the installation took about 30 minutes.

Thanks again to ccattie for arranging the group buy and chrispitude for finding a good location to mount it.

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Very nice! Mine's still in the box, but I did buy a self-tapping bolt to attach it. Do you have pictures of your install? Where did you use the tubing adapter you mention?

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chrispitude wrote:
Very nice! Mine's still in the box, but I did buy a self-tapping bolt to attach it. Do you have pictures of your install? Where did you use the tubing adapter you mention?

- Chris


Here are some pics. I added clamps to the filter connections after taking them. There isn't much visible. I disconnected the tube going to the intake from the puck and used a 3/4" m2m adapter to attach my tubing to that, partly because I'm not sure how warm the intake gets and partly because it was just easier than getting down in there. I attached my other piece of tubing directly to the puck where the original tubing was removed.

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