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 Post subject: Dead CRD with P0091,P0562 and P2295
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:54 pm 
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Engine died running at 60mph then wouldn't restart. After a tow to home, it would then start and run for a few minutes then die again. Took to dealer who had it for a week. The mechanic first determined problem as bad Auto Shut Off relay and replaced it. Then had timing belt changed at same time. At the end of the week mechanic determined the stalling problem still wasn't fixed and then determined it needed the ECM replaced. I became angry with the service department, had all work stopped, and towed it home. I now have a dead CRD. I need help with this. Has anyone seen this combination of fault codes before, was it the ECM, ECU. or ?

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 Post subject: Re: Dead CRD with P0091,P0562 and P2295
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:52 pm 
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Engine died running at 60mph then wouldn't restart. After a tow to home, it would then start and run for a few minutes then die again. Took to dealer who had it for a week. The mechanic first determined problem as bad Auto Shut Off relay and replaced it. Then had timing belt changed at same time. At the end of the week mechanic determined the stalling problem still wasn't fixed and then determined it needed the ECM replaced. I became angry with the service department, had all work stopped, and towed it home. I now have a dead CRD. I need help with this. Has anyone seen this combination of fault codes before, was it the ECM, ECU. or ?

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P0562 Charging System Voltage Too Low Supply voltage sensed at ECM too low. Alternator / battery iussues?

P0091 Fuel Pressure Regulator 1 Control Circuit Low
P2295 Fuel Pressure Regulator 2 Control Circuit Low

Link for codes http://jeep.avtograd.ru/engines/all_codes_obdii_en.htm

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:02 am 
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close to Indy, Indiana.

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Hopefully he didn't botch up the timing belt job :roll: That could result in bent valves and we have 16 in our 4 valve per cylinder engines :cry: Some have had problems with the alternator pulley lately, it's not just a simple pulley :? Also if you still have the original Optima Red Top they have been dying too. DC had Optima build a low end Red Top or us :oops:
Here's hoping it's a simple fix!
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 Post subject: Low voltage
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P0091 = Fuel Pressur Regulator Control Circuit low
P0562 = System voltage low
P2295 = Fuel Pressure Regulator Control Circuit 2 low

Everything in these codes point to low voltage problems. Start with battery voltage.

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Agreed - new battery should do it - Optima is best, but lead acid will work

Optima advantage:
- won't leak from excessive angles when rock-crawling and slope-groping
- maintains charge longer when engine is not run for long periods
- smaller footprint, where real estate is limited
- disadvantage: DCJ-spec'ed version seems to be reaching pre-ordained mortality event based on incept date

Lead acid advantage:
- cheaper
- disadvantages opposite of advantages mentioned above

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A new battery should do it, a lead acid is best, but an Optima will do.

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Sir Sam wrote:
A new battery should do it, a lead acid is best, but an Optima will do.


Tried different battery today same thing, crank, no run, same codes with both batteries.

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What does the battery voltage measure, off and at idle, at the battery posts and the supply to the PCM?

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Ok lets talk about wiring harness chaffing problems. Yours is a 05 but the 06 had the harness cable on top of the engine higher and would rub on the bracket for the fuel manager. Then a couple of years ago a person saw a chaffed harness down under the FCV somewhere. It could have been going to the CP3.
Just a couple of things to check.

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I will be checking wiring tomorrow evening, I will be checking on used ECU, any good place to order one? Is there a best /better ECM part number to look for i.e. per F37 flash unit/ Europe (no EGR) unit. I did hear the Fuel Pressure Sol. buzzing with Ing. on [the unit at back end of fuel rail). Still no run of the engine so I can't check for voltage from alt. As far as the timing belt job I didn't hear any values hiting the pistons so I hope it was done right.

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The pressure solenoid buzzing and the P0091 and P2265 actually indicating the devices are shorted to ground, it's likely the Fuel Quantity Solenoid on the CP3 inj pump is bad, or the wiring is chafed\shorted - disconnect the connector there on the inj pump, see if the rail pressure solenoid stops buzzing

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 Post subject: Swapping in parts
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:03 pm 
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Is not a good substitute for identifying the problem first. Swapping parts in an attempt to identify the issue can be expensive and frustrating if you don't luck out and find it on the first few attempts. As far as buying another ECM, you'll need a dealer DRB tool to set the VIN, injector classification codes, mileage and initialize the security SKIM interface if you have the Sentry anti-theft option. You'll also have to activate the A.C. and possibly cruise control if you have it. Replacing an ECM is not a simple swap operation unless you have an exact cloned version, i.e., something like an InMotion clone of your original ECM.

If you are 100% certain that the buzzing sound is from your solenoid on the fuel rail near the firewall and not the AFC valve, pulling the electrical connector to it to see if the low voltage problem disappears is a quick first step. To know if its the problem, you have to be monitoring the supply voltages with a voltmeter, preferrably a DVM. But first you need to locate the voltage supply line to the ECM, then the connection to both the fuel rail pressure valve and the fuel rail solenoid, so that you can monitor voltage. Before you start this phase, it's a good idea to check the supply voltage to the ECM, then the 5VDC supply voltages coming from the ECM to the fuel pressure sensor and fuel rail solenoid valve. If either of these 5DVC supply voltages are low, it can beither either a short in the wiring, sensor or a bad ECM, assuming the ECM has proper supply voltage to its main input from the ASD.

Using your FSM, look at the wiring diagrams on pages 8W-30-25,8W-30-30 and 8W-30-35.
With key on, measure the voltage to C2-1, C2-3 and C2-5. This should read the same as the voltage at your battery posts, which should be 12.5 VDC minimum. These 3 B+ inputs are fed by 3 different fuses. If voltage is missing at any of these inputs, check fuses 6, 16, and 26 first.
If all 3 of these 12V lines are good, then note the 5VDC supply line to the fuel rail pressure sensor on pin 3 (also ECM C1-86). Monitor this for 5vdc with your DVM with key on first and then while cranking.

Also note the fuel rail pressure solenoid on pin 2, (also ECM C1-4) for supply voltage. If either of these are below rated voltage, watch these same pins as you pull the electrical plugs. This should tell you whether you have a short in a sensor pulling down your voltage. This all assumes you measured your replacement battery voltage and it was at least 12.5 minimum, preferrably 13 VDC.

Something caused your system voltage low code, as well as the sensor low codes. It's either a low supply voltage or excessive drain on the 5VDC supply lines. Until you check the battery supply voltage to the ECM, you won't know if it's getting correct voltage to start with.

If you're uncomfortable performing voltage checks, get someone who can help that knows how and that has a DVM.

One last check. Did you or anyone else modify any wiring on this vehicle within the last month or so? Trailer hitch, segr wiring, sterero, any electrical consuming accessory or anything that would have altered or connected to the vehicle wiring? If so, you could have a different issue causing this problem.

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