i think a good price to say for what i have done it for would be 6500.00...that's including wheels and tires...my tires cost about 900 alone...it can be done for cheap...just have to pay attention to what to get and where to cut corners

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03 SAS KJ 0n 35ish boggers(Sold )
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You could spend way more than 15K if you wanted to.

Al I was saying is that when people ask what an SFA costs, the starting figure might be lower than the figure most people toss around.

For what OHV spent, it is pretty cool.

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Heck I have about 4/5th's that into my rear axle alone ,but I should never,ever have to worry about breaking those 35-spline alloy axles though .I also have just a few hundred below that in my front axle,but again all brand new parts(and I mean all brand new,all execpt the diff housing) and alloy shafts.

Hmph! A Used axle housing?!?! WTH?!?! And I thought you were building The Ultimate SFA?!

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03 SFA KJ Sport
LOST JEEPS So-Cal

Well they just haven't made a new HP44 housing in like------------almost 30 years,plus I'm just not the foundest of the front RockJock60(okay the starting price of $7800 is the "not found of" part).

W/ ya on that......but hey, At least I will have something to Upgrade in the future.....

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04 KJ
03 SFA KJ Sport
LOST JEEPS So-Cal

Dynatrac Dana80's front and rear

Yeah, Maybe....but probably portals instead.....
Sorry for the hi-jack...back to budget builds.....

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04 KJ
03 SFA KJ Sport
LOST JEEPS So-Cal

Cool, I thought I read somewhere that without a full width axle (I am guessing not the HP30) the stock mounts couldnt be used but I guess it is all in how and where you weld the brackets.

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http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2432458/1

You need the full width axles(67"+ front) to be able to use regular coils and seperate shocks.The TJ/XJ width axles(60") you need to use coilovers since there is no room for the coil buckets on the axle and still be able to flex properly since the KJ's unibody is wider then a XJ's by about 6".

I still think the JK Rubicon axles from Mopar Performance are the best bang for the buck on the market right now. You get axles that are somewhere between a Dana 44 and a Dana 60 stength wise with lockers and disc brakes for $2700. These axles would be perfect for a Liberty. When I get another Liberty, These will be my first upgrade. I have them on my Mitsubishi truck and I love them.

Rumor has it Mopar Performance is coming out with a Dana 60 for JK owners who would like to swap out there rear axles.

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2005 CRD , Moab Rims, 245/75/16 Goodyear M/T
RL rear bumper, TMJ Front bumper, Frankenlinft,
*TOTALED*

1985 Mitsubishi Pickup SP 2.3 Turbo Diesel Watercooled turbo,4D56 ported head,
12" Suspension Lift with JK Rubicon axles, Elockers, 5.13's, Fox coilovers, Atlas 5.0, Rock Lizard supersliders

1996 Lexus LX450 -locked and lifted-

I think they ARE D44s but, they only supply them with 4:10 gears so if you're planning on anything bigger than a 31" tire, they'd be kind of pointless, imo.

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"There are few problems in life the liberal application of duct tape can't solve."

Plus they are having bearing issues or something with these as well, they may look cheap but by the time you buy them switch out to other gears and whatever the other problems are , cheaper to go full custom set

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Actually, THey were supposed to be Dana 40-something else but Jeep wanted to stick w/ the Dana 44 name because most Jeep enthusiasts know that is a "good thing". This was told to me by an engineer during the JK press event on the Rubicon. There are so many differences over a regular Dana 44 that Dana was going to use a totally different code for them.
Regardless, there are so many of them on the road now that if the bearing issue was a big deal you would be hearing a lot more of it on the various forums by now. I suspect it is like the D30a, several of many thousands have broken and those people are the ones you hear from. Lots of them out there being wheeled hard and certainly not enough complaints overall to call them a lemon yet. I agree that the JK axles are a good deal for what they are.

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Yep, as always, John is right. They were supposed to be called Dana 45's but decided to refer to them as Dana JK 44's. The ring gears are thicker, The pinion is larger, the axle shafts are no longer tapered etc. They are completely different than other Dana 44's. Like I said, somewhere between a 44 and 60 as far as strength is concerned. As for the gears, I upgraded to 5.13 gears from Superior Gear. They are a high quality gear set that does not require shims. Not all gears are created equal. Where alot of people are getting into trouble is they are reusing the bearings when they swap out the gears. With the new JK 44 this is a big no no due to the design of the bearings. Just pay the extra $130 and get the bearing kit.

The down side to these axles is they use a stupid 5x127 bolt pattern like the Grand Cherokees. To do a manual hub conversion up front will cost you $1300 in parts alone. The front knuckles need to gusseted, and all mounts on the axle need to reinforced or replaced if you plan on doing any serious offroading.

The huge upside is these axles are wired for ABS, tire pressure sensors etc, making them great canidates for the Liberty. They are also a good width at 61.9" from WMS to WMS and the front axle is a high pinion design. Lastly they have will have great aftermarket support for years to come.

Also, I think the 4.10 gears would be fine for the CRD on a 33-35" tires but I would probably upgrade to 4.88's or 5.13's for the 3.7L.

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2005 CRD , Moab Rims, 245/75/16 Goodyear M/T
RL rear bumper, TMJ Front bumper, Frankenlinft,
*TOTALED*

1985 Mitsubishi Pickup SP 2.3 Turbo Diesel Watercooled turbo,4D56 ported head,
12" Suspension Lift with JK Rubicon axles, Elockers, 5.13's, Fox coilovers, Atlas 5.0, Rock Lizard supersliders

1996 Lexus LX450 -locked and lifted-

PLEASE! Someone Tell my wife!!

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71 C101
04 KJ
03 SFA KJ Sport
LOST JEEPS So-Cal

check with ARB Seth he was talking about some of the problems with them before, me I would not even consider them as to waht was mentioned above, lots easier and better options I think

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03 OVERLAND EDITION /Kilby-Skidrow-Mopar-4XGuard skids/ 2.5 inch TOTAL CONTROL JBA coilovers -JBA Arms/MOABS-31 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3W / 4.10's etc, 04 Kilimanjaro Edition loaded, plus 05 KJ limited

well i have looked in to bigger axles and i would like to be even wider...the only problem w/ going to anything bigger then a d44, is that even with 35's i would be dragging that diff everywhere...next year i do plan on going up another inch.5 and a possible different 4 link setup, bigger axles, and 35-36 range...i really like now that the hard part is done it will be much easier to get things up graded

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03 SAS KJ 0n 35ish boggers(Sold )
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well i have good news and bad...the good the my sfa concord uwharrie w/ open diffs at that, the bad is ata price...as i was climbing up a easy trail in 2wd getting to the camp site so i could leave...on the way up... the rear spun a little the upper y-link braket broke which made the pinion rotate down and the drive shaft pulled out...it also broke the casting that holds the ball joint on...the good news is now i have the money to go long 5 link rear...i'm helping Mr. Gamin think of a way to make it stronger and this is the first he said of happening...the scary thing is that i had a 200 mile drive and i'm lucky it went on the trail and not on the road...the jeep still did well...i'll try to get pics or video up

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02 Jeep TJ Sahara, 33's locked up front
03 SAS KJ 0n 35ish boggers(Sold )
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some new pics
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... 122#384122

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02 Jeep TJ Sahara, 33's locked up front
03 SAS KJ 0n 35ish boggers(Sold )
Petersens 4wheel: http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/featuredve ... index.html