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Anyone want to but my K & N for 30 bucks shipped to any part of the world.... :lol: :lol: :lol:


No dice. Valve lapping is a thing of the past.

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 Post subject: Re: I used to run K&N ....
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Anyone want to but my K & N for 30 bucks shipped to any part of the world.... :lol: :lol: :lol:


No dice. Valve lapping is a thing of the past.


Great Point :!: :!: :!: :!:

I will sell my Wife's TDI K&N for $10.00 FOB :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

K&N would make a great prefilter for a HEPA filter or dust collector for a work shop.

Another good application would be to mount it to the inlet side of a desk top computer to keep the big dust out :!: :lol: :!: :lol:

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[Another good application would be to mount it to the inlet side of a desk top computer to keep the big dust out :!: :lol: :!: :lol:[/quote]


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'll get working on that idea right away except that the flow of air generated by the electric fan will suck the oil out of the K & N and do damage
to the motherboard :twisted: :wink:

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[Another good application would be to mount it to the inlet side of a desk top computer to keep the big dust out :!: :lol: :!: :lol:



:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'll get working on that idea right away except that the flow of air generated by the electric fan will suck the oil out of the K & N and do damage
to the motherboard :twisted: :wink:[/quote]

What about unfolding the K&N and using it as a Swiffer :?: :idea: :?: :idea: :lol: :lol:

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At full siren song, the turbo compressor will vacuum oil from an oiled-mesh filter - not a good idea to run that type filter on any but normally-aspirated systems, particularly where real estate is limited and the filtration media cannot be upsized - the 2.8L CRD filter is same as the 3.7L filter, but requires up to twice the fwot 3.7L flowrate at full Boost - no oily mesh can withstand that draft


So far i've checked out the aFe Proguard 7 air filter and the Amsoil 2 stage on EBay and noticed that they are both oil impregnated filters like the K & N although manufactured with different materials.

These would all then lose their filtering properties due to the force exerted upon them from the turbo as explained by GMCTD.

Now which paper filters can i check on please or something else that does not utilise oil in order to filter efficiently besides the stock paper filter.

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I'm using the K&N drop in filter haven't had any problems as yet.

At the end of the day, the oil is the filtering medium so if you oil her correctly and maintain it that way then what's the problem with the K&N.


hmmm...air flows Through oil? I didn't know that?

Funny how K&N admit that their filter Filters better as it clogs up....so what the heck is it doing Until it clogs up?

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I'm using the K&N drop in filter haven't had any problems as yet.

At the end of the day, the oil is the filtering medium so if you oil her correctly and maintain it that way then what's the problem with the K&N.


hmmm...air flows Through oil? I didn't know that?

Funny how K&N admit that their filter Filters better as it clogs up....so what the heck is it doing Until it clogs up?


No my understanding is that the high flow rate from the turbo will draw or extract the oil from the filtering medium and in so doing could cause premature turbo failure and increased wear of the cylinder walls due to diminished filtration capacity.

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BTW, Amsoil Had an oiled type filter using a foam element but they do not any more. They have improved their design and moved to the Ea series of filtering products which do not use oil. Some companies Will realize that there is something better to use and move to it. Others will not and contiue to market the same old crap. There are several comanies marketing dry type filters now, oiled gauze or foam is old tech and while it may have its place somewhere, it isn't in auto use.

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BTW, Amsoil Had an oiled type filter using a foam element but they do not any more. They have improved their design and moved to the Ea series of filtering products which do not use oil. Some companies Will realize that there is something better to use and move to it. Others will not and contiue to market the same old crap. There are several comanies marketing dry type filters now, oiled gauze or foam is old tech and while it may have its place somewhere, it isn't in auto use.


Thanks for filtering that :wink: i must have picked up an old spec on the Amsoil then off the net.

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Anyone want to buy my K & N for 30 bucks shipped to any part of the world....


Me too. I'll ship mine anywhere in the lower 48 for $30. It is less than a year old. Just PM me and it is yours!

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Are these Amsoil filters available through EBay cause i can't find them to order?

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I'm using the K&N drop in filter haven't had any problems as yet.

At the end of the day, the oil is the filtering medium so if you oil her correctly and maintain it that way then what's the problem with the K&N.


hmmm...air flows Through oil? I didn't know that?

Funny how K&N admit that their filter Filters better as it clogs up....so what the heck is it doing Until it clogs up?


No my understanding is that the high flow rate from the turbo will draw or extract the oil from the filtering medium and in so doing could cause premature turbo failure and increased wear of the cylinder walls due to diminished filtration capacity.
Yeah, that too. :D

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Are these Amsoil filters available through EBay cause i can't find them to order?


Send a PM to JJsKJ on this forum. He is a dealer and will sell them to you at his cost shipped directly to you.

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Are these Amsoil filters available through EBay cause i can't find them to order?


Send a PM to JJsKJ on this forum. He is a dealer and will sell them to you at his cost shipped directly to you.


ummm....He is in Africa.....not sure If I can swing that or not. But I would be willing to look into it. Be best if a few folks wanted to get in on it. I sent an order to Spain that way a while back.

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Are these Amsoil filters available through EBay cause i can't find them to order?


Send a PM to JJsKJ on this forum. He is a dealer and will sell them to you at his cost shipped directly to you.


ummm....He is in Africa.....not sure If I can swing that or not. But I would be willing to look into it. Be best if a few folks wanted to get in on it. I sent an order to Spain that way a while back.


Perhaps this is an opportunity to get some brand awareness in the African continent :wink:

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All harmful myths come from some self-proclaimed "expert" running his head without doing his homework - doesn't take much research, incl remembering the lessons that should have been learned in Science 101, to find out that air does not flow thru oil in oiled-mesh air filtration - as air flows thru the interstices in the oiled mesh, the oiled mesh becomes statically charged, which then attracts the dust particles - faster the flow, greater the charge - the collected particles then add to the mass of the oil droplets, with resulting increased charge, resulting in increased filtration as the filter becomes 'dirty' - up to a certain point, at which time the filter must be cleaned and re-oiled - manufacturer's maintenance requirements are therefore based upon engine maf/time

The basic problem is not the oiled filtration, but the available real estate - the KJ CRD filter is identical in dimension to the KJ V6 filter, but the Diesel draws full displacement thru that filter on each stroke, where the V6 gasser (patooie!) runs at less than 30% throttle most of it's life, for 30% displacement flow - add the turbo to the CRD, which can increase flowrate thru that smallish filter as much as twice the FWOT flowrate of the V6, and we got problems right here in River City, folks: takes a much larger filter for that kinda action, and we got no available real estate for a larger filter - double the physical area of the filter, L" x W", and an oiled filter would become more practical - increasing the cross-sectional area, the depth, only increases the quantity of dirt that the filter can accumulate, with increased restriction, but does not increase initial air flow capability - double-sized filter would still require periodical cleaning\re-oiling, but the increased area would prevent\reduce vacuuming the oil in the turbo draft - take a quick look under yer hoods to see that we don't have that option, so an oiled-mesh filter, while much more efficient at increasing filtered air flow, is not practical in this application

As a side note, all air filters were oil-bath oiled-mesh when I was a young lad, long ago in another century - paper-element filters were designed for convenience to the auto-repair industry, reducing labor, increasing profits, beneficial to oem mfrs from reduced real estate requirements in the engine bay

That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it........................

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What is your Fleetguard filter manufactured from as per your sig?

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If the oil is contributing to the problem that is currently under debate here, could one not use something else instead of oil that would do the same job but have different properties to oil and behave differently when sprayed on to the filter medium.

Perhaps the cotton fibre is not so much the problem then but finding something other than the oil we are currently using would be interesting.

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All harmful myths come from some self-proclaimed "expert" running his head without doing his homework - doesn't take much research, incl remembering the lessons that should have been learned in Science 101, to find out that air does not flow thru oil in oiled-mesh air filtration - as air flows thru the interstices in the oiled mesh, the oiled mesh becomes statically charged, which then attracts the dust particles - faster the flow, greater the charge - the collected particles then add to the mass of the oil droplets, with resulting increased charge, resulting in increased filtration as the filter becomes 'dirty' - up to a certain point, at which time the filter must be cleaned and re-oiled - manufacturer's maintenance requirements are therefore based upon engine maf/time

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Duh. My air through oil comment was a joke. I kid, I kid. Regardless, K&N sucks...... air....but hardly filters any of it. :wink:

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The wire mesh is used to increase airflow\area - oil is used so as to be dense enuff to cling to the mesh at full air flow - can use a thicker oil (ND 30wt was the flavor of choice, iirc), but which further reduces initial airflow: already problem is the restricted frontal area of the KJ filter - I use NAPA Gold paper-element filters, which is a premium WIX filter

Fleetguard manufactures filters from paper and synthetics - the item in my sig is the Cummins fuel filter, as used on the Dodge Rams - pics in several of my threads in CRD TECH

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