Daystar Kit Differences

Back-n-Black · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:04 am

tommudd wrote:

Back-n-Black wrote:

So what your saying is that you trust this company to make a product you want to use on your jeep. You trust the design to carry you and your passangers around the roads but when they tell you what you read on the internet was tested and ended with worse problems you choose not to believe them?

I am having a hard time figuring you out man. So you want to tell this company who makes and tests the kits they sell how they should be making the kit and how they messed it up? What tests and data do you have to back up your thoughts other than your pretty picture?

I have sold parts online for an automotive shop for 3 years and people with this attitude amaze me. I mean if you know best how it is done and have all kinds of testing and data to prove it why are you not building kits for people?

well lets see we have 5 or 6000 members, various people have done a bunch of testing to see what works and what does not. The Frankenlift was designed by people on here and continues to be one of the best if not the best lifts available anywhere for the KJ.
Personally I have been building and tearing apart 4 WDs for 30 plus years along with a lot of others on here. So we have over a million years of knowledge to share. :wink:

We know what works and what does not more so than someone who just makes parts and throws them out there for us to buy. Do we need to show you what Rock Krawler made and tried to get us to buy? How about Rocky Road and their boat load of BS they feed unsuspecting owners. So if you think we are just a bunch of uneducated morons , you better sit back and read for the next month on what we do know. :wink:

Oh and welcome to LOST Black-n-Black

and if you want to know how I really feel just ask!!!! :wink:

Hello and thanks for the welcome.
Just to set the record straight i am not a troll nor do i care or have any connection to a jeep parts seller. Ok now that that is out of the way.

I have been reading this forum for close to 3 months. Everything from lifts, bumpers, TSB and the destruction of front carriers. I am glad to be a part of this site and look forward to learning a bunch more about what you guys have been talking about.

But..... you knew it was coming.... i still think the OP's rant is unjustified. If you believe the company making these parts is making a sub par part or setting you up for breaking your jeep why would you buy there parts? So you want your cake and to eat it also. You want the part they designed to work............but you know better about how the kit should be built so you want something added? Crazy.

From what i can tell almost if not all the KJ lifts on the market that are any good all include daystar parts. So why trust one part and the design behind it and not the rest?

Anyway this thread had been brewing in my head for weeks and i just had to say something. Now back to research.

tommudd · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:51 am

The OPs rant is unjustified :shock:

Didn't see it as a rant at all, just trying to make sure in his mind what he was thinking was what everyone was as well. No rant to it????
I dont have a Daystar part on mine anywhere maybe thats why I have over 75,000 lifted miles on mine and not one problem, according to you.
I think I know,.... wait I know what the OP was trying to do , get someone ( a company) to listen to what does and does not work for us. We have collectively traveled several million miles with the KJs and we know what works and what will destroy one.
Also don't think it has anything to do with trusting a part made by someone, the parts work, its just they need to add bumpstops to every kit to make them more user friendly.
Do more reserch and see what you think. I already know :wink:

long_tall_texan · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:54 am

My whole point is that Daystar DID make a kit with bumpstops included. Then they made another one and left them out because some people complained about a rough ride. The rough ride was attributed to the bumpstops??? The rest of the kit was the same. But, until last week, they still offered the kit with the bumpstops for the same price as the kit without the bumpstops. I merely suggest (along with many others on here) that people get the kit with the bumpstops for the same money. I never said Daystar made an inferior product. I have their lift installed on my KJ and am very happy with it. But I WILL have extended bumpstops on mine. I just pointed out the mistake I made, and shared it with others so they did not end up with the same issue. The simple fact is that springs, front OR rear, should never be compressed beyond a certain design point. When you add a spacer under the springs, an equal sized bump stop should (in best practice, not required) be added as well. This will keep the springs from over compressing or stacking. We all know that over compression and stacking causes springs to fatigue, sag and is generally a bad thing. So if you can order a kit with the bumpstops included, why not. Then you don't have to order the Teraflex bumpstops separate and spend the extra $40.

It is all up to your personal preference I guess. If you don't want extended bumpstops on your Daystar lift, or your OME lift, or your Frankie, that is your choice. Just don't be surprised if after over-flexing ANY of these lifts (not just the Daystar) a few times, your springs become weaker and weaker and weaker. That is all we are saying. Once you have to replace your worn out springs one time, you will understand.

Oh, and welcome to L.O.S.T. from me too. Look forward to your input in the future as well...

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:17 am

I had a Daystar for 30K miles and it worked well - however
I didn't have bumpstops and I didn't realize how much problem that caused until I took out a 2 1/2" Daystar lift - installed OME790's and my lift increased
The stock springs with Daystar without bumpstop had sagged - a byproduct of stacking the springs.
Bumpstops are now in - I don't want to kill my OME's.

however the Idea that most companies test their products is wrong - most will install one to see if it fits - otherwise they're running CAD designs.

The only company with enough resources to real-world test their products is ARB/OME the others just don't have the money.
The customers do the development testing - and that can get expensive and dangerous.
(and for some issues that includes Chrysler)

jamangus · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:10 pm

tommudd wrote:

The Frankenlift was designed by people on here and continues to be one of the best if not the best lifts available anywhere for the KJ...

And which front bumpstops come with that kit?

tonycrd · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:20 pm

Wow great drawing you made there of the springs Long Tall!

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:12 pm

OK...here is the chronology of how it all started.

Daystar quickly came out (2002) with a 2.5" KJ Kit...I installed it...it was not right at all. The internal spacer was 2.5" and resulted in over 3.4-4" of lift up front. The rear spacer was also 2.5" and worked fine...but the stock shocks were too short. I took out the front spacers and shaved them down to 1 3/4" and reinstalled. Much Better Ride. Next I took the KJ offroad and found that the UBJ would contact the Strut Spring under full droop...so I Padded the actual UBJ and it kinda worked. Then I decided to reduce the size of the front spacer to 1 1/4". The ride became very smooth and problem free. Then I used the "Clevis Lift" to gain back a bit of height to level out my KJ.

Just before I started L.O.S.T. (we were still all gathering at Jeepsunlimited.com) Clint, JJ, and a few other key members started getting involved. We talked over the phone and Clint and a few other SoCal boys got in contact with www.BoulderBars.com (Heather and Quinn) since they were a distributor for Daystar. This is where the Frankenlift Combo Style Lift was born.

The moral of the story is...go straight to the "Horses Mouth" to get relevant info...Quinn or Heather will not steer you in the wrong direction. They know what kits work ect.

long_tall_texan · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:47 pm

tonycrd wrote:

Wow great drawing you made there of the springs Long Tall!

I am a CAD junkie. I thought about modeling it in 3D solids, but youhave to have all the exact measurement for that. Just wanted to show the basics...

long_tall_texan · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:51 pm

Did the original Daystar kit that you installed have the new top plates included in that kit? Or did you use the stock top plates?

jamangus · **Posted:** Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:04 am

DarbyWalters wrote:

The moral of the story is...go straight to the "Horses Mouth" to get relevant info...Quinn or Heather will not steer you in the wrong direction. They know what kits work ect.

And they consistantly advise that front bumpstops are not needed on a Frankenlift-type setup.

tommudd · **Posted:** Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:14 am

jamangus wrote:

DarbyWalters wrote:

The moral of the story is...go straight to the "Horses Mouth" to get relevant info...Quinn or Heather will not steer you in the wrong direction. They know what kits work ect.

And they consistantly advise that front bumpstops are not needed on a Frankenlift-type setup.

call ARB/OME and ask what kills springs , ask about using springs the way Frankenlifts are made, ask about stacking...you talk about going to the horses mouth, go to the place that actually designs and makes the springs.
I have nothing against Frankenlifts or AllJs just going by what I know and have been told

long_tall_texan · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:45 pm

And to top off all of the discussion about bumpstops, see here:

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... 409#425409

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