Treadwright Retreads Review - Updated Post #1 - 3-18-09

KJ04 · **Posted:** Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:31 pm

You guys are paying $90.00 ea. for retreads?
I got a new set of these XMT Mudders in a 265/75/16. It's a 6 ply tire with 3 ply sidewalls and full siping for $99.00 ea. from Gateway Tire & Service this past spring.

ihatemybike · **Posted:** Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:52 pm

yellocoyote wrote:

Shouldn't Grumpy be mobile before you get tires?

I did say after it's lifted, which would come after it's mobile again.

KJ04 wrote:

You guys are paying $90.00 ea. for retreads?

Grumpy's tires are listed for $40 each.

tommudd · **Posted:** Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:06 pm

Since I drive so much, 30,000 plus per year, I have to have more of an AT so I am getting 265-70-16 BFG AT tread design for 73 each compared to 180 new, saving half. I bought 4 USED 265-70-16 BFGATs 2 with 14 /32 and 2 with 6/32 for 100 bucks total so matching these up to the two best ones

For my play times I am getting 235-85-16 (off road rough and ready tires :wink:

) for 65 each saving 136 bucks or more

Again if I only drove 10,000 miles a year, lived close to off roading areas, etc then I would have full blown mud/off road type tires on all of the time, but for me does't make sense.

so in the end I will have 4 brand new ATs ( basically) and 4 off road tires for a total investment of around 506 bucks

ihatemybike · **Posted:** Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:57 pm

Grumpy will have 5 of the OTDs, so $200 plus shipping. I'll be mounting them on red painted stock Astro/Safari wagon wheels and they'll be bead balanced.

tommudd · **Posted:** Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:07 pm

ihatemybike wrote:

Grumpy will have 5 of the OTDs, so $200 plus shipping. I'll be mounting them on red painted stock Astro/Safari wagon wheels and they'll be bead balanced.

so maybe black primer Grumpy with the red wheels ??? :lol:

Buddy of mine always paints every old truck he gets with black primer and then red wheels , so when you said red wheels he popped into my head :lol:

ihatemybike · **Posted:** Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:16 pm

Grumpy will have some black, some dark gun metal gray, and a red stripe that starts at the belt line in the front then angles up after the second row of windows to the upper rear corner to go with those red rims.

ihatemybike · **Posted:** Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:00 pm

yellocoyote wrote:

Think 'A-Team' folks... :lol:

Aw man, I wanting them to think about it. You gave it away.

long_tall_texan · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:27 am

ihatemybike wrote:

... and they'll be bead balanced.

Let us know your experience with the bead balancing. Are you going with the Dyna Beads? I tried the poor man's alternative to them and it didn't work out so well. Described it here: http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... hp?t=37077

Guest · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:02 am

To_The_Max wrote:

Retreads are fine for the rears if you are going to run retreads at all BUT SHOULD NEVER BE RAN ON THE FRONT.... Even the semi's use retreads on the rear only. Just think about it, if the tread comes off the front while going 70 +MPH, just a disaster waiting to happen.

Good thing you know that all the tire manufacturers (Michelin, General/Continental, Goodyear, Pirelli, Sumitomo, Kumho, OHTSU...) agree that a failed tire on the rear is MORE dangerous than on the front :roll:

KJ04 wrote:

You guys are paying $90.00 ea. for retreads?
I got a new set of these XMT Mudders in a 265/75/16. It's a 6 ply tire with 3 ply sidewalls and full siping for $99.00 ea. from Gateway Tire & Service this past spring.

I take tires the same way I take radio control cars.

I would rather pay $200 for a used RC car that went for $600 new than $200 for a new one that goes for $200 new.

Materials and quality are things that cannot be built into a $99/ea truck tire. If we were talking about a 195/60-15 for $99, you may be able to sell me, but I would not put those tires on a wheelbarrow.

Just my $.02

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:14 am

by the same token - there are inspection procedures required to insure a that a tire core is good - that cannot be done on a $60 retread.

The limiting factor on retreads is the core they're using - and they're betting on the quality control of the original manufacturer. and the assumption that they can screen any damage done afterwards.

if you're just running lightly loaded around town or on trails - that's a reasonable bet

but if you're running heavy loads, high speeds - it's questionable at best.

tommudd · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:22 am

ATXKJ wrote:

by the same token - there are inspection procedures required to insure a that a tire core is good - that cannot be done on a $60 retread.

The limiting factor on retreads is the core they're using - and they're betting on the quality control of the original manufacturer. and the assumption that they can screen any damage done afterwards.

if you're just running lightly loaded around town or on trails - that's a reasonable bet

but if you're running heavy loads, high speeds - it's questionable at best.

So you are saying that a 60 dollar retreaded tire casing is not inspected :lol:

thats funny right there, I can tell not many have ever been around or know anything about what is required before a tire casing is approved for retreading, doesn't matter if it is a 60 dollar or 100 dollar each casing is inspected, most all are not even approved if they ever had even a nail hole and patched.
So many misconceptions due to things that happened 30/40 years ago and my uncles 2nd cousins brothers wife had a reatread one time that...............

Maximum Carnage · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:30 am

I am 100% I’m going with Treadwright Retreads in the spring when I get my new tires. I wish I would of them before.

long_tall_texan · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:26 pm

ATXKJ wrote:

by the same token - there are inspection procedures required to insure a that a tire core is good - that cannot be done on a $60 retread.

The limiting factor on retreads is the core they're using - and they're betting on the quality control of the original manufacturer. and the assumption that they can screen any damage done afterwards.

if you're just running lightly loaded around town or on trails - that's a reasonable bet

but if you're running heavy loads, high speeds - it's questionable at best.

Have to side with Tom here. I actually talked to Treadwright engineering myself before buying them. All cores go thru a manual visual inspection, then thru an x-ray type inspection to check the steel inside the rubber, then another visual inspection after the original tread is removed. And YES, it is done for less than $60 per tire.

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:19 pm

I understand that they have some quality controls in place.

but I also know that non-destructive testing has limits - and if you manufacture the entire tire - you can destructively test a sample and have statistical confidence of the quality of the entire batch.

If you don't manufacture the entire tire you can't do that kind of testing.

So I repeat - I'd have confidence in a low stress environment - and most auto applications are, but I would not put them in a high stress environment.

i.e. if you're towing trailers with Danoid, across I10 in the summer at the speed limit - you need to stick with the Michelins.
but if you're getting a spare set of Off-road tires - TreadWrights look good.

long_tall_texan · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:28 pm

I guess we will have to agree to disagree here. We do non-destructive testing in a manufacturing environment all of the time as our only means of testing. Couple that with lot and serial numbers, and any defect reports and you still get reliable statistical data.

At any rate, they work great for my application. I am very happy with them and feel very safe riding on them in any conditions with any load.

tommudd · **Posted:** Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:33 pm

Michelins ...maybe 20 years ago , now days they are no better than any other tire. But everyone has an opinion, mine came from working in a retreading shop out of high school and what we did back then was a lot as far as inspecting the casing etc. (1971-72) I understand to a point where you are coming from. But any tire can go bad, even seen Michelins that we had to replace.
I was in the tire industry for several years working with all major brands and have seen almost everything that can happen to a tire. Also did long haul trucking for a few years and have had as many blowouts on new tires as retreads (Bandags) running heavy loads
I will put a good retread up against any Michelin on even your hottest day. They have been proven time and time again.
Now they will not run as many miles maybe but with the cost savings up front, plus the OIL savings its a great deal

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:55 pm

tommudd wrote:

Michelins ...maybe 20 years ago , now days they are no better than any other tire.

Not to get too far off topic, but I thought Michelins were the cream of the crop. On the Dodge Cummins forum they (any of the Michelin LTX tires) are one of the most popular brand of tires for long lasting tread life, durability, fuel efficiency, and the least amount of rolling resistance. Perhaps some of the tires are more exceptional than others within the Michelin family.

tommudd · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:58 pm

dieselenthusiast wrote:

tommudd wrote:

Michelins ...maybe 20 years ago , now days they are no better than any other tire.

Not to get too far off topic, but I thought Michelins were the cream of the crop. On the Dodge Cummins forum they (any of the Michelin LTX tires) are one of the most popular brand of tires for long lasting tread life, durability, fuel efficiency, and the least amount of rolling resistance. Perhaps some of the tires are more exceptional than others within the Michelin family.

When I started in the tire game in the 70s Michelins were the cream of the crop, but they like other have better and best lines anymore, the LTXs are a good highway tire but generally overall I don't think they are that much better. Another factor is people who have Michelins tend to take better care and rotate their tires and check air pressure more often due to cost and better consumer knowledge

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:04 pm

tommudd wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

tommudd wrote:

Michelins ...maybe 20 years ago , now days they are no better than any other tire.

Not to get too far off topic, but I thought Michelins were the cream of the crop. On the Dodge Cummins forum they (any of the Michelin LTX tires) are one of the most popular brand of tires for long lasting tread life, durability, fuel efficiency, and the least amount of rolling resistance. Perhaps some of the tires are more exceptional than others within the Michelin family.

When I started in the tire game in the 70s Michelins were the cream of the crop, but they like other have better and best lines anymore, the LTXs are a good highway tire but generally overall I don't think they are that much better. Another factor is people who have Michelins tend to take better care and rotate their tires and check air pressure more often due to cost and better consumer knowledge

all true..... but they suck stupid in the snow

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:48 pm

Diggerfreek wrote:

all true..... but they suck stupid in the snow

I’m scared to drive my truck on snow with the LTX‘s……………way too much torque for very little traction. :shock:

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