Almost ordering a lift.... yes.... again

Guest · **Posted:** Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:58 pm

ObiHann, we all know what's its like to wait for something you want but hang in there. I drooled over the frankenlift for about a year and a half before i finally bought one. After you get your lift you will still be waiting for the next thing. I've been waiting all winter for my bumper and winch. Got the bumper but am still waiting for the winch.

:wink:

ObiHann · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:29 am

I started thinking about the cheap daystar because I was asking about tires, and what would fit on-lifted. Many people told me to just get the daystar, and then it snowballed as usual. :roll:

Now I need a frigging quote on struts :evil:

ObiHann · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:53 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

DryBones wrote:

tommudd wrote:

ObiHann wrote:

I'm not trying to talk them into my lift, I'm trying to pick my lift. And I have been almost a year waiting now. I'm not getting into the rush reasons, they are for a different thread. Just want to know about my struts, then I can order this stuff already. I'm gonna go OME, gonna go with new shocks, just want to know about my struts LOL

YES you need new shocks in the front as well as the rear , period

if you want to do it right, why oh why do you want to do everything else but the front shocks now?

because the front struts are $140 a piece and he is trying to save that money for the big tires that he JUST HAS TO HAVE :lol:

Kids these days.... :wink:

Obihann, I wish you all the luck on your lift, we are just having some fun here.

$140 each? Are they gold plated or what? My Rancho's where had for $49 each,on sale(by the way they are having some massive sales right now), from 4 WheelParts and with a lifetime warranty.

Just checked at multiple places here, and that is the very very ridiculous price. Does skyjacker make something a bit more.... affordable? I know there shocks are a fortune less. It was suggest to me by the place I'm getting this from, to save some money, to do the OME coils, skyjacker shocks, and existing struts, then save the money and replace the shocks and struts later with all OME, or HPG. Basically, lift now, than do a small upgrade later. I'm not paying for installation now, the local jeep club is helping me do it, so, this might be a option. Run the stock struts for a few months, then save the coffee money, and replace them before next winter. Deffinitly can be done. I know its a PITA to tear down the front suspension mutiple times, and would be easier to do it all at once, but, hey, is this the worst idea? Should I go for it?

tommudd · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:23 am

heck go for it, no one but you has to ride in it, just get it lifted so you are happy no one else has to be only you

ObiHann · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:27 am

tommudd wrote:

heck go for it, no one but you has to ride in it, just get it lifted so you are happy no one else has to be only you

So it is just ride quality that is effected basically? Will the ride quality go down with the bigger coils and stock struts? Or be just as crappy as it is now? Not that I find it crappy, I enjoy it :roll:

I won't be running stock struts forever, hopefully less than 6 mo, but this will get me the tires I want, and in full swing for the season, than let me do coffee can savings on the new struts.

Boiler · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:21 am

Sounds like you pretty much have your mind made up. I know jack about lifts, but if you can do part of the upgrade now and part later, without doing any damage to the first part by not upgrading the 2nd part for a while, then go for it. If you're going to damage any of your new parts or have to replace them when you do the 2nd stage, I would definitely not go with that decision.

Sounds like money is tight. It is here too. I'd hate to get to this time next year and be out of money thinking about what I replaced TWICE the previous year out of impatience.

Where I work we buy all kinds of parts for the machines we build. We were low on cash a couple years ago so we started ordering only the parts we needed at the time. We used about 300 limit switches a year and started buying about 5 a week at $75 each insteaed of our old quantities of 100 pcs for about $30 each. Sure we "saved money" this week, but we were way behind by the end of the year.

Our motto should be "Robbing Peter to Pay Paul Since 1952". Just think of the big picture. How can you get the best quality for the least money in the long run. If you can go it in 2 installs, have at it!

ObiHann · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:28 am

Boiler wrote:

Sounds like you pretty much have your mind made up. I know jack about lifts, but if you can do part of the upgrade now and part later, without doing any damage to the first part by not upgrading the 2nd part for a while, then go for it. If you're going to damage any of your new parts or have to replace them when you do the 2nd stage, I would definitely not go with that decision.

Sounds like money is tight. It is here too. I'd hate to get to this time next year and be out of money thinking about what I replaced TWICE the previous year out of impatience.

Where I work we buy all kinds of parts for the machines we build. We were low on cash a couple years ago so we started ordering only the parts we needed at the time. We used about 300 limit switches a year and started buying about 5 a week at $75 each insteaed of our old quantities of 100 pcs for about $30 each. Sure we "saved money" this week, but we were way behind by the end of the year.

Our motto should be "Robbing Peter to Pay Paul Since 1952". Just think of the big picture. How can you get the best quality for the least money in the long run. If you can go it in 2 installs, have at it!

I think were on the same track, as long as it doen't cost more money in the long run, forcing me to replace more parts because I delayed others, splitting the install up, isn't going to be a big deal. I will have the annoyance of doing 2 installs, but if that is ok, then why not.

As far as my mind being made up..... ahahahahaha. Really though, I'm hoping to be at the parts ordering stage in the next 2 weeks, to get this all figured out. Just trying to get the last details done now. And as I said, as long as Its not going to break anything, I want to reuse the stock struts. Not forever, but, for a bit.

DryBones · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:12 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

DryBones wrote:

tommudd wrote:

ObiHann wrote:

I'm not trying to talk them into my lift, I'm trying to pick my lift. And I have been almost a year waiting now. I'm not getting into the rush reasons, they are for a different thread. Just want to know about my struts, then I can order this stuff already. I'm gonna go OME, gonna go with new shocks, just want to know about my struts LOL

YES you need new shocks in the front as well as the rear , period

if you want to do it right, why oh why do you want to do everything else but the front shocks now?

because the front struts are $140 a piece and he is trying to save that money for the big tires that he JUST HAS TO HAVE :lol:

Kids these days.... :wink:

Obihann, I wish you all the luck on your lift, we are just having some fun here.

$140 each? Are they gold plated or what? My Rancho's where had for $49 each,on sale(by the way they are having some massive sales right now), from 4 WheelParts and with a lifetime warranty.

Not gold....yellow! :lol:

I was referencing OME front struts, IF he was considering a complete OME lift.

tommudd · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:36 am

worried about ruining new parts :shock:

you are so darn funny, of course if you match up new springs to old crappy worn out shocks ( no struts on the front) you are going to weaken the springs over the long haul

I will not say it but..well yes I will say COMMON SENSE has to come in somewhere, all you are worried about is running the tires that you think will do you a great job. :roll:

but do it , OME likes to sell springs :wink:

ObiHann · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:38 am

tommudd wrote:

worried about ruining new parts :shock:

you are so darn funny, of course if you match up new springs to old crappy worn out shocks ( no struts on the front) you are going to weaken the springs over the long haul

I will not say it but..well yes I will say COMMON SENSE has to come in somewhere, all you are worried about is running the tires that you think will do you a great job. :roll:

but do it , OME likes to sell springs :wink:

Tom, I thought it was front struts. As a matter of fact, when I look at the frankenlift, it tells me to use front rancho or ome struts, and rear shocks.... Am I confused here?

tommudd · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:44 am

they are actually shocks but because they have a spring around them everyone calls them a strut, go ahead don't want to confuse you anymore than you already are :wink:

call them a strut

ObiHann · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:46 am

tommudd wrote:

they are actually shocks but because they have a spring around them everyone calls them a strut, go ahead don't want to confuse you anymore than you already are :wink:

call them a strut

Want to teach me the difference between the two

So Tom, just so we are clear here, your telling me if I run OME shocks and the stock front shocks, than I will wear them out, and have to buy a second pair by the time I do add new front shocks?

tonycrd · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:14 pm

Common now guys, stop messing with Obihann's brain!

He now has two threads running on the same topic!

What, you want to read it in Stereo?

(J/K)

A strut is a McPherson style suspension part, meaning the shock/spring combo is part of the suspension itself holding the spindle so no need for an UCA.

A coil over shock is just what it says, a coil over a shock. The shock is not 'part' of the actual suspension that holds the spindle, therefore we have an UCA and a LCA.

ObiHann · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:38 pm

So, these struts would not work, since I need a shock not a strut for the front right?

http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.aspx?partID=4502

tommudd · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:40 pm

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:07 pm

ObiHann wrote:

So, these struts would not work, since I need a shock not a strut for the front right?

http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.aspx?partID=4502

those will work excellent! Rancho RSX 17505 for the front and RSX 17004 for the rear.

tonycrd · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:12 pm

That's a pic of some other type of Rancho.

The 17505's look like this:

Back-n-Black · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:30 pm

tommudd wrote:

worried about ruining new parts :shock:

you are so darn funny, of course if you match up new springs to old crappy worn out shocks ( no struts on the front) you are going to weaken the springs over the long haul

That is a lie, or a poor opinion. How does a worn out shock weaken a spring? I gotta tell ya it is amazing what you guys believe. Tthis forum is filled with so much wrong information it could sink the titanic. You guys amaze me.

tonycrd · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:49 pm

Ok B-N-B, please enlighten us with your wisdom on this subject

And to ALL: please keep it clean, OK?

Fwiw I guess TOMMUDD is trying to say that if a shock is absolutely shot and doesn't put the brake on the recoil action of the spring it goes 'up-down-up- down-up-down' whenever you hit a bump.

If you keep that up for some time you will ware the spring out sooner as with some decent shocks....don't you agree?

ObiHann · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:04 pm

jsc7002 wrote:

ObiHann wrote:

So, these struts would not work, since I need a shock not a strut for the front right?

http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.aspx?partID=4502

those will work excellent! Rancho RSX 17505 for the front and RSX 17004 for the rear.

I bet they would work great, for the cost of them, they also better steer the Jeep and make me coffee! $140ea for the front, $100ea for the rear, total of $480 just for blasted shocks! There is a reason I'm getting skyjacker in the rear, gonna cost me $140 for the pair :roll:

I suppose I can get the tires mounted on my rims, use them as coffee tables till I get the lift, as a incentive LOL

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