Summer '09-Diesel price may drop below gasoline

geordi · **Posted:** Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:58 pm

Talking about the spread in fuel prices...

Back in October, I was buying red low-sulfur for a generator. The spread between the red and the ULSD on-road was more than $1.20 per gallon. I questioned the seller, and they told me that their provider (oddly enough, there is a refinery right here in Savannah) was charging that much of a difference, and the taxes were the last 30 cents or so.

Now? The difference is back to 39 cents, which is bang-on, the taxes only.

Hmm. Low sulfur and ULSD at the same price, even with the supposed "higher cost to manufacture" nonsense. Sounds like yet more bullship being mixed in with the fuel they send out from the refinery. Lets not forget that no matter who's name is on the refinery itself... The name on the BOTTOM LINE is the same as a big oil company at the end of the day. They own the entire chain, just like Standard Oil did. Competition is a MYTH in the oil industry.

bhysjulien · **Posted:** Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:36 pm

I buy my fuel at the Flying J on 67th and I10. RUG was 1.99 and diesel was 2.01 when I filled this afternoon.

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:42 pm

it's 2.19 at the j by my work and if you go cross town, you can get it for 1.79

http://www.denvergasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=D

nescosmo · **Joined:** Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:17 pm **Posts:** 202

Here in Florida all of this notherners (Rats and Rouches) came down here with they falure laws from their states and they are using them here. So. they allways hungry, hunbry for money and the price of diesel will never be below the gas. I wish they all go back.

"IF THE PRICE OF FUEL GOES TO LOW WE WILL INCREASE THE TAXES 50%" that is what they said.......

retmil46 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:49 pm

Or like NC they'll start pushing a road useage tax - I think 1/4 cent per mile is the current proposal. A while back, they even proposed having NC join the ranks of the CARB states as far as emissions. Considering that their asinine tax policies have already helped run most of the worthwhile jobs out of the state, I don't see this making it any better.

Now you've got old T Boone Pickens on CNBC this morning, pushing his wind and natural gas plan (just coincidental he happens to be heavily invested in both). Now he's saying you can replace all the 18 wheelers on the road with natural gas rigs, claiming huge reductions in emissions ( not saying he's wrong, just that so far his claims aren't verified), and that we can do away with these nasty soot-belching diesels while at the same time reducing our dependence on foreign oil. Of course, he's wanting the government to spend OUR (taxpayer) money to do this.

I'm sure he'd find some support in the EPA and CARB, given how some of their more strident members have voiced their outright opposition to anything diesel. OTOH, guess someone forgot to tell old T Boone that diesels can run on natural gas as well - so switching to natural gas wouldn't necessarily mean getting rid of diesels.

Of course, he doesn't bother mentioning how many billions of dollars it would cost and how long it would take to set up a fueling infrastructure and replace/convert tens of millions of vehicles on the road - but I'm quite sure he and his companies are willing to sell us the equipment to do so - at a fair profit to him, of course.

Hey T Boone, oil billionaire extraordinaire, how's this for an idea - if you believe that heavily in natural gas and reducing our dependence on foreign oil, why don't you try spending some of YOUR money and build some GTL refineries - like some Middle Eastern countries are already doing - to convert natural gas into synthetic diesel and gasoline, that can be distributed with the existing infrastructure and used in existing vehicles?

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:13 pm

retmil46 wrote:

Or like NC they'll start pushing a road useage tax - I think 1/4 cent per mile is the current proposal. A while back, they even proposed having NC join the ranks of the CARB states as far as emissions. Considering that their asinine tax policies have already helped run most of the worthwhile jobs out of the state, I don't see this making it any better.

Now you've got old T Boone Pickens on CNBC this morning, pushing his wind and natural gas plan (just coincidental he happens to be heavily invested in both). Now he's saying you can replace all the 18 wheelers on the road with natural gas rigs, claiming huge reductions in emissions ( not saying he's wrong, just that so far his claims aren't verified), and that we can do away with these nasty soot-belching diesels while at the same time reducing our dependence on foreign oil. Of course, he's wanting the government to spend OUR (taxpayer) money to do this.

I'm sure he'd find some support in the EPA and CARB, given how some of their more strident members have voiced their outright opposition to anything diesel. OTOH, guess someone forgot to tell old T Boone that diesels can run on natural gas as well - so switching to natural gas wouldn't necessarily mean getting rid of diesels.

Of course, he doesn't bother mentioning how many billions of dollars it would cost and how long it would take to set up a fueling infrastructure and replace/convert tens of millions of vehicles on the road - but I'm quite sure he and his companies are willing to sell us the equipment to do so - at a fair profit to him, of course.

Hey T Boone, oil billionaire extraordinaire, how's this for an idea - if you believe that heavily in natural gas and reducing our dependence on foreign oil, why don't you try spending some of YOUR money and build some GTL refineries - like some Middle Eastern countries are already doing - to convert natural gas into synthetic diesel and gasoline, that can be distributed with the existing infrastructure and used in existing vehicles?

And we thought the equipment needed for Urea would add to the weight and bulk of the ORTs. Every pound you add to the truck reduces the load hauling capacity, a simple law of physics. T BoneHead Pickens likes to impress Journalists who can't grasp simple basic concepts like weight and hauling capacity.

Lets not over look all of out Elected Officials who have invested in Natural Gas and will get even richer if the CNG for ORTs becomes a reality. I guess we now know why they are trying to kill of the diesel.

kdlewis1975 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:03 pm

...finally under $2.00/gal for ULSD here...

...but it's still more than RUG by about 10 cents.

longview · **Joined:** Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:28 pm **Posts:** 88

Wow, last week here in Mitchell SD diesel was less then RUG for the first time in a long time.
I thought everyone was seeing the same thing.

Diesel is $1.87 and RUG is $2.19. The 10% ethanol is $1.99.
It has been that way for over a week now.
I drove about 120 miles this weekend, and while the prices varied diesel was cheaper at every single station that I passed.

nursecosmo · **Posted:** Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:26 am

I must be a prophet.

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... imb#400301 7th post down. It's nice to get one right once in a while.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:49 pm

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and see what comes of Obama's energy bill. What I'm hearing so far, EVERYTHING is going to get taxed - gasoline, diesel, heating oil, natural gas. Even coal is going to be subject to a "carbon tax" - so electric rates will go up too, and even those with plug in hybrids and electrics will get screwed as well.

Haven't seen any numbers yet as to what is being proposed, but the banter I'm seeing in various places is quoting $1 to $1.50 per gallon additional tax on gas and diesel.

Good grief, talk about turning an extended recession into a decade-long depression. Guess that's one way to make alternate energy more affordable - tax the crap out of all other forms of energy, such that everything is equally expensive, and the government has that much more tax money to spend.

ac5501 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:41 pm

Marysville MI 1.99 RUG 1.95 ULSD

Heating oil and gasoline futures: used to be heating oil was 40 - 60 cents a gallon more than gasoline. Lately heating oil is about 15cents cheaper then gas

today heating oil $1.18 gasoline $1.31

MOSFET · **Joined:** Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:40 pm **Posts:** 295

retmil46 wrote:

Good grief, talk about turning an extended recession into a decade-long depression. Guess that's one way to make alternate energy more affordable - tax the crap out of all other forms of energy, such that everything is equally expensive, and the government has that much more tax money to spend.

Yeah, but at least it's CHANGE. Everything was the same for so long that people just wanted something different.

Change for the worse is still change.

2mopar_diesels · **Posted:** Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:04 pm

MOSFET wrote:

retmil46 wrote:

Good grief, talk about turning an extended recession into a decade-long depression. Guess that's one way to make alternate energy more affordable - tax the crap out of all other forms of energy, such that everything is equally expensive, and the government has that much more tax money to spend.

Yeah, but at least it's CHANGE. Everything was the same for so long that people just wanted something different.

Change for the worse is still change.

Be carefull for what you ask of the Lord, as he just might give you exactly what you ask of him.

2mopar_diesels · **Posted:** Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:05 pm

MOSFET wrote:

retmil46 wrote:

Good grief, talk about turning an extended recession into a decade-long depression. Guess that's one way to make alternate energy more affordable - tax the crap out of all other forms of energy, such that everything is equally expensive, and the government has that much more tax money to spend.

Yeah, but at least it's CHANGE. Everything was the same for so long that people just wanted something different.

Change for the worse is still change.

Be carefull for what you ask of the Lord, as he just might give you exactly what you ask of him.

MOSFET · **Joined:** Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:40 pm **Posts:** 295

2mopar_diesels wrote:

Be carefull for what you ask of the Lord, as he just might give you exactly what you ask of him.

We can only hope that's true.

Uffe · **Posted:** Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:51 am

retmil46 wrote:

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and see what comes of Obama's energy bill. What I'm hearing so far, EVERYTHING is going to get taxed - gasoline, diesel, heating oil, natural gas. Even coal is going to be subject to a "carbon tax" - so electric rates will go up too, and even those with plug in hybrids and electrics will get screwed as well.

Haven't seen any numbers yet as to what is being proposed, but the banter I'm seeing in various places is quoting $1 to $1.50 per gallon additional tax on gas and diesel.

Good grief, talk about turning an extended recession into a decade-long depression. Guess that's one way to make alternate energy more affordable - tax the crap out of all other forms of energy, such that everything is equally expensive, and the government has that much more tax money to spend.

There you go, go out and buy a hypermiler car instead of the gasguzzlers. Perhaps that will help save the planet instead of running it into the ground

chadhargis · **Posted:** Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:53 am

It's scary indeed.

I heard yesterday that China decided against an economic stimulus plan.

How scary is it that the US is more liberal than communist China?

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:05 pm

chadhargis wrote:

It's scary indeed.

I heard yesterday that China decided against an economic stimulus plan.

How scary is it that the US is more liberal than communist China?

When they took over Hong Kong they observed what worked and what failed and like leaders who examine history, they are making their attempt to improve their economy and keep their power. When the people of China have life stiles comparable to Singapore and Taiwan. Bean counters of the world will start looking at Africa to set up production facilities.
Some of our so called leaders look to the successes and failures well documented in history and base their decisions upon what works. Other so called leaders both in Industry and Government have pie in the sky dreams based upon the fantasies of writers who have ingested too much mind altering substances.

Getting back to the stimulus, Japan tried it for 16 years and finally gave it up, then their economy recovered.

tulsa · **Posted:** Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:13 pm

Diesel is $1.759, RUG is $1.599 in Tulsa.

blake1827 · **Posted:** Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:17 pm

ac5501 wrote:

Marysville MI 1.99 RUG 1.95 ULSD
Heating oil and gasoline futures: used to be heating oil was 40 - 60 cents a gallon more than gasoline. Lately heating oil is about 15cents cheaper then gas
today heating oil $1.18 gasoline $1.31

Here's a good article that explains the futures market. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/twiparch/090225/twipprint.html

Currently
RUG $1.77
#2 $1.99 by my house this week

Summer '09-Diesel price may drop below gasoline

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